Making/Designing a weapon... - Page 3

Darlene159 · #1 10-29-2005, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DrDrizzle

^ the very first post...if one of the two gold servers gives you the items you make, why would you make gfx for the server that doesn't?

For the players to enjoy, and because that happens to be the server he enjoys?

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Originally Posted by DrDrizzle

and when he first made the gfx (reapers) he got a thank you, and the whole server knew who made the gfx...but now the pm doesn't inculde his name next to the weapon(s) he made, he's not gettin a thank you at all, he's just having the gfx he posts put in the game...and he's never on when vulcan holds events, so he never has a chance to win them (belive me, he'd pwn everyone that perticipated

) so how is this fair to him? he gets no "thank you" and he gets no chance at winning his gfx

He gets thank yous constantly from the players, I don't understand why that isn't enough, they are the ones that use them, they are the ones they were made for (or should have been).

Why should he be treated differently because he isn't on when the events are held?
It is beginning to sound like the graphics are made for purely selfish reasons, not to benifit the server....

DrDrizzle · #2 10-29-2005, 01:33 AM

he should at least get a chance to win his own creation

and no, players don't constintly thank him. The only time i've acutally seen someone thank him, was when he told the player that he made that weapon, and the player didn't even believe him at first...

haunter · #3 10-29-2005, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DrDrizzle

he should at least get a chance to win his own creation

and no, players don't constintly thank him. The only time i've acutally seen someone thank him, was when he told the player that he made that weapon, and the player didn't even believe him at first...

He does have a chance... He just has to show up at the right time. That is part of the chance. No?

Users thank and praise him all the time here on the forums. Christ, the guy should be dead flattered just by reading this thread alone.

Bl0nkt · #4 10-29-2005, 08:14 AM

Check the agreement. Anything uploaded onto graal is graal's property. That doesn't mean you can't take the credit for it.

DrDrizzle · #5 10-29-2005, 03:57 AM

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He does have a chance... He just has to show up at the right time. That is part of the chance. No?

Users thank and praise him all the time here on the forums. Christ, the guy should be dead flattered just by reading this thread alone.

he should be flattered that he will probly never have the chance to win the items, and you guys just go and say how all the gfx he worked for are not even his anymore...ya i guess he should be flattered...

haunter · #6 10-29-2005, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DrDrizzle

he should be flattered that he will probly never have the chance to win the items, and you guys just go and say how all the gfx he worked for are not even his anymore...ya i guess he should be flattered...

He has just a good a chance as anybody does to win those items... That's fair, not offensive. Uhh... And we're telling him that his graphics belong to GraalOnline because it's the truth... Not because we're trying to insult him.

DrDrizzle · #7 10-29-2005, 04:54 AM

well this thread is over with...i guess Sayian's made up his mind

check my sig

Lance · #8 10-29-2005, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DrDrizzle

well this thread is over with...i guess Sayian's made up his mind

check my sig

So, let me get this straight. You convince Sayian that people are out to get him and that he should stop making/submitting graphics (and even paste chatlogs wherein you are telling him to do so), you berate people for pointing out the other side of the whole fairness thing, and then declare this thread 'over'?

Wow. I bow to you, sir king of threads.

Darlene159 · #9 10-29-2005, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DrDrizzle

well this thread is over with...i guess Sayian's made up his mind

check my sig

Bleh, that post on his site just prooves that he didn't make the graphics for Zone, he made them for himself, and to possibly get a staff position...
That is very sad, but his choice I guess...

jkool666 · #10 10-29-2005, 05:34 AM

Ok myself I'll try to end this. I think this topic is about Sayian complaining about not geting the items he makes correct? Well myself if i GFX'd somthing and it got put into zone that would be reward enough. It would feel cool making somthing thats in a game (you guys are probably used to it).

DrDrizzle · #11 10-29-2005, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance

So, let me get this straight. You convince Sayian that people are out to get him and that he should stop making/submitting graphics (and even paste chatlogs wherein you are telling him to do so), you berate people for pointing out the other side of the whole fairness thing, and then declare this thread 'over'?

Wow. I bow to you, sir king of threads.

what? i didn't convince sayian to do anything, i told him what people were saying, and how he wasn't getting anything out of this, and he decided to stop... but then i guess he talked to u? and now he's not sure...

Darlene159 · #12 10-29-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DrDrizzle

what? i didn't convince sayian to do anything, i told him what people were saying, and how he wasn't getting anything out of this, and he decided to stop... but then i guess he talked to u? and now he's not sure...

You might want to read your own convo with him, because you most certainly did talk him into not letting zone use his graphics, even when he said he didn't want to stop making them.
Hopefully he will see that making things for Zone itself to enjoy is better then making things for just himself...

bahamutstevetff · #13 10-29-2005, 04:54 PM

shouldnt this thread have been closed when i solved the problem, im giving the guy the weapons i won so he continues makin gfxes.

DrDrizzle · #14 10-29-2005, 08:25 PM

forum pm ixi...since i'm not allowed to post what sayian says

bahamutstevetff · #15 10-29-2005, 09:05 PM

i got it

kwarner5 · #16 11-01-2005, 05:12 AM

its not fair! why should he have to earn them? if it wasnt for him then NOBODY would have them! he spends hours scripting and drawing them and he gets killed by them cuz he doesnt even getta use them. thats totally ***. !
! sayain i need ur help!!

Lance · #17 11-01-2005, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kwarner5

its not fair! why should he have to earn them? if it wasnt for him then NOBODY would have them! he spends hours scripting and drawing them and he gets killed by them cuz he doesnt even getta use them. thats totally ***. !
! sayain i need ur help!!

Read the thread. Yes, all of it. I understand that there might be a lot of words there, but I think you can handle it.

kwarner5 · #18 11-01-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance

Read the thread. Yes, all of it. I understand that there might be a lot of words there, but I think you can handle it.

was that sarcasm u noobie?

haunter · #19 11-01-2005, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kwarner5

was that sarcasm u noobie?

Quit acting like an idiot child and read the thread before you comment again. No one will take you seriously otherwise.

bahamutstevetff · #20 11-01-2005, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kwarner5

its not fair! why should he have to earn them? if it wasnt for him then NOBODY would have them! he spends hours scripting and drawing them and he gets killed by them cuz he doesnt even getta use them. thats totally ***. !
! sayain i need ur help!!

if you read the long "discussions" thruought this thread, you will realise that sayain has no chance of gettin hin weapons for free.

Lance · #21 11-01-2005, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

if you read the long "discussions" thruought this thread, you will realise that sayain has no chance of gettin hin weapons for free.

I think the more important thing to glean from the thread is that it wouldn't be fair to the rest of the players if he received those weapons for free.

kwarner5 · #22 11-01-2005, 09:32 AM

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I think the more important thing to glean from the thread is that it wouldn't be fair to the rest of the players if he received those weapons for free.

it would be fair because without him there wouldnt be pistols for anyone to get

Lance · #23 11-01-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kwarner5

it would be fair because without him there wouldnt be pistols for anyone to get

Really? So him not making them would've precluded any other graphic artist from making zone graphics in his stead? That's an interesting conjecture. On what do you base your suppositions about this alternate reality?

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Originally Posted by kwarner5

was that sarcasm u noobie?

I'm afraid I was deathly serious.

Raeiphon · #24 11-02-2005, 11:50 AM

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I think the more important thing to glean from the thread is that it wouldn't be fair to the rest of the players if he received those weapons for free.

It wouldn't? Why not, he made half of it? Usually if you make something, you generally get to use it.

haunter · #25 11-02-2005, 03:29 PM

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It wouldn't? Why not, he made half of it? Usually if you make something, you generally get to use it.

Stop bringing up moot points.

Splke · #26 11-01-2005, 08:10 PM

It sounds like he was just trying to get special items for himself, and when he didn't he called it unfair that the graphics he was making for a server (remember that part, it's important) weren't being imediately given to him.

Maybe that's how they do it on Maloria, but I don't think that is in any way fair to the players who actually PLAY the game and participate in events to WIN the items.

As far as Vulcan having the items goes, he is staff. Cut him some slack.

haunter · #27 11-01-2005, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Splke

As far as Vulcan having the items goes, he is staff. Cut him some slack.

It shouldn't matter that he's staff, he shouldn't get them for free either. ;\ It's not like he's scripting them and needs them for testing.

Splke · #28 11-01-2005, 08:20 PM

No but the general notion is that staff get special treatment on Graal, or for that manner any game. Yeah it's a pretty corrupt notion, but at the same time he may at times just want to enjoy the game abit too; as long as he doesn't use like, Staff Gun of Awesomeness x 90000, it shouldn't be that intolerable.

haunter · #29 11-01-2005, 09:13 PM

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No but the general notion is that staff get special treatment on Graal, or for that manner any game.

Not on G2k1. 0.o;

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Yeah it's a pretty corrupt notion, but at the same time he may at times just want to enjoy the game abit too;

They can enjoy it without getting stuff for free... It's not like they're working 100% of the time they're online. Half the enjoyment comes from getting this stuff yourself anyway, if you ask me. :P

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as long as he doesn't use like, Staff Gun of Awesomeness x 90000, it shouldn't be that intolerable.

I don't really agree with it at all... Aside from debugging purposes. That's just my opinion though; so like Lance said, it's up to Stefan in the end in this case.

bahamutstevetff · #30 11-01-2005, 09:08 PM

sayain is staff to, sayain could win the weapons easily if he was on at the events.

Splke · #31 11-01-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

sayain is staff to, sayain could win the weapons easily if he was on at the events.

Sayian isn't staff, he makes GFX for the server.

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Not on G2k1. 0.o;

Given the status of 2k1, I don't think it's fair to use that as an example.

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They can enjoy it without getting stuff for free... It's not like they're working 100% of the time they're online. Half the enjoyment comes from getting this stuff yourself anyway, if you ask me. :P

Definitive based on how much time he puts into the game. You might think his logic for having these items is that he puts x amount of effort into the game, and the items are a small way of showing apreciation towards that.

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don't really agree with it at all... Aside from debugging purposes. That's just my opinion though; so like Lance said, it's up to Stefan in the end in this case.

As far as him disrupting gameplay with the items is what I should of said.

haunter · #32 11-01-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Splke

Sayian isn't staff, he makes GFX for the server.

Get with the times, bro. :P

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=62015

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Given the status of 2k1, I don't think it's fair to use that as an example.

I don't see why not... I'm not referring to soley the present... I'm also refering to the past.

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Definitive based on how much time he puts into the game. You might think his logic for having these items is that he puts x amount of effort into the game, and the items are a small way of showing apreciation towards that.

Like I've said before many times in the thread, I think that the praise of others shows appreciation... besides, part of the game Graal is the fun of making your own stuff. You shouldn't need to get free items for compensation... You should be working as staff because you enjoy it.

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As far as him disrupting gameplay with the items is what I should of said.

I know what you meant... I just don't agree with the giving of free items to any degree... Aside from Debugging, like I mentioned.

Darlene159 · #33 11-02-2005, 03:33 PM

I think it is safe to say that this thread can be closed now. Sayain is now staff on Zone, therefore discussion can come to a close about his stuff not being used.

haunter · #34 10-26-2005, 09:27 PM

I think I have a pretty good grasp on the situation... The only thing I wasn't aware of was the fact that Vulcan gets weapons for free (I will reiterate for the record: I don't agree with that either) and now I know that... If there's something else that I'm missing, please inform me asap.

I never came here with the intent to turn anything into a 'flame war'. I came here to read the thread. To be honest, I thought Sayian was giving a tutorial on designing weapons, so I was interested. As it turns out it was something completely different... It was still something I was interested in though, so I spoke my piece. The forums are for discussion, if Sayian didn't want the opinions of other users on the matter, he shouldn't have posted in the first place.

Lance · #35 10-26-2005, 10:08 PM

Here's the deal:

If you voluntarily make a graphic for a server, you're making it for the server. You're not making it for yourself and you shouldn't expect to get a copy of whatever item it becomes. If the server manager decides to award you a copy of whatever item it becomes, that's his or her prerogative. However, if they choose not to, you have no room to selfishly complain. It's that simple.

Shadox · #36 10-27-2005, 01:45 AM

i still say sayain should get them, or at least test them to see if he likes them. honestly what es doing could be in this context

sayain makes the cure for cancer (play along) and he gives it to scientists for proof, it works, and is a marvelous formula, BUT the scientists took the formula without paying sayain anything, or even letting him keep a sample, for himself.

last time i checked, this is either sayains REALLY REALLY nice, or thievery

Lance · #37 10-27-2005, 09:34 AM

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i still say sayain should get them, or at least test them to see if he likes them. honestly what es doing could be in this context

Why would he need to "test them to see if he likes them"?

That aside, you can test such things without Stefan's help, you know. Open up the gani editor and take a look around if you don't believe me.

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sayain makes the cure for cancer (play along) and he gives it to scientists for proof, it works, and is a marvelous formula, BUT the scientists took the formula without paying sayain anything, or even letting him keep a sample, for himself.

False analogy. Sayian isn't giving Stefan these graphics "for proof" of anything. He is willingly transferring ownership of these graphics to GraalOnline.

Also, stop hating on scientists.

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last time i checked, this is either sayains REALLY REALLY nice, or thievery

Considering this is all done willingly, the second option is out of the question...?