Making/Designing a weapon...
 

Alright...i was talking to Mech about Zone, and he ended up bothering me nonstop telling me to have the weapons i made taken out of the game...at first i was on the "no!" side of it. But then he told me that if someone where to make a weapon/item for GK (another gold server) that they'd get that weapon, i was furious when i heard that...so is that true? >:O cause u guys(Gambet mostly, Stefan wouldn't answer) when i first made the Reapers, that the only way to get them was to win them, even if i made them...so i'm on the 'dunno' side now...i just think that's ****ed up that if someone makes a weapon they don't get it...even though you make the weapon so YOU can use it :mad:

i agree 100% with sayain, most people design weapons that they would enjoy using, so they would like to use the weapon, instead of watching other people use the weapon and compliment it and brag about them

You should get all of them :mad:. It is unfair that you havent even used them yet.

well i'm just saying this cause everytime i get on(durning the weekend) i get a pm from one of my friends saying i missed an event...and i really wanna use my own weapons :(

aye, it is unfair to sayain, if it wasent for him, no one would have any decent lookin weapons.

:O gotta give you a huge <3 for that one, thanks :D

no prob mate, its true tho, zone owes you so mutch.

so...any staff wanna gimme the weaps i made? :D

It's much smart guy!

whatever darky, i mean anubis. btw sayain, i wouldnt ask vulcanus cos hes a tight arse (Poor darky) ask stefan in forum pm

u no vulcan reads the forums right? XD and this was meant so they can talk it over...and me and vulcan are pretty cool...(plus he doesn't have the rights to add items...(or i don't think he does anyway))

If you ask Stefan now you might get an answer by next year!!!

what are you guys talking about? you guys think Stefan just sits around and updates whenever he wants. Truth is, he's been very busy, with Era. You guys need to relax, Stefan has told me updates will happen within a week or 2. Remember, he still has to work with V4 on fixing the bugs, and then he has to put up with you guys yelling at him, demanding an update(plus whatever else he's working on, and he needs to have a life, he can't just be all about graal). He'll get around to it, if he says there'll be an update, then there'll be on...

Huwajux: Could you GANI those golden ap pirces in the Zone forum thread titled "Legend" please?

Vulcan: No. Take it with Stefan.

Huwajux: Ok.

Vulcan: I 100% disagree.

I don't agree... It doesn't sound fair. You should have to earn the weapons you make the same way everyone else does. You shouldn't get a free extra advantage just because you know how to slop a few pixels together...

Besides, it's not like you're scripting them... So perhaps you should get an item that just shows you holding the weapon instead of allowing you to shoot with it; that seems like more of a fitting trade.

whats the point in having a weapon you can't fight with? (who pulls a weapon out just to show people) and like i said, i didn't really care at first if i got them or not, i started to care after talking with mech(my bro) and him convincing me that if i make something, then i should get it...he keeps telling me to get the weapons taken outta zone because:

1) I'm never on when there's an event (the only event i've been in was the first reaper event, and now like at least 12 people have reapers,red pistols, and blue pistols)

2) i made em' to use em, not to watch other people use em :\

3) on other servers when you make an item, they give you it

I don't really see one... but you're the one who is saying that you should have use of the things you made... Seeing as how you only made the graphics for these weapons, you should only get the graphics for free.

You can't get them removed from Zone. Those graphics are property of GraalOnline now, they can use them as they see fit. Read the User Agreement.

So you want to be treated specially because you never happen to be around when there's an event? How's that fair?

That's pretty selfish... But aside from that; you're not understanding... You didn't make the script for that weapon... So why should you get to use that for free?

That doesn't mean that they're right.

like i said, who runs around with some graphics?


if i couldn't get them removed, i wouldn't make anymore, and since i'm the only one making graphics (recently) there would be a huge player decrease, because no new updates = players quitting


what are you talking about? i'm never on when there's an event, so i never have a chance to win an event item. Where'd you come up with this ******* idea of me saying i wanted to be treaded 'specially'? o.o

selfish? i spent a good half hour to an hour (sometimes days) or so on all the GFx i do. Is it selfish to want something you worked hard for? when you go to work, is it selfish for you to get a paycheck? and no weapon gfx = no script, so stop saying that.


but it would make people go to other servers where you can actually use the weapon(s) or items u make.

Dude I messaged Stefan today on Era and asked when the release date of the Red Rifle and other stuff would come out I got a response within 5 minutes (OMFG) and he said soon. Also he pwns the reason Guild Wars is taking so long is that he's making it EVEN BETTER!!!!!! (OMMFG) So don't be dissing the man or he might not do junk for Zone and that makes me a Saaaaaaad Panda.

I would if I liked the look of it. But that's not my point... My point is that you're saying you want the weapons you draw for free because you made them... But you only made the graphic, so by your logic of "I made it, so I deserve it for free" you deserve, at most, your graphic... not the fully functional weapon.

Stefan has the GGT to fall back on if need be.

You want items for free because you drew the graphics for them, but are never around when there is an event for them... That seems like special treatment to me.

You said that you made items just so you could use them... You didn't make them for others to enjoy as well. That is selfish. Graal is a community effort.

Again, Stefan doesn't have to rely soley on you for his graphics. He can easily find someone else to make graphics for his scripts.

I really doubt that "Free Items that you draw!" would be a very weighted factor when deciding on which server you will play on most often.

Should Vulcan get a free item if he does the gani for it? Should everyone who gave you suggestions for you graphics get a free item? After all, they did work to help create the item by giving ideas and comments.

Do you even realize why he gets them? All they are is normal appirces, they don't shoot any different, they arn't any faster or stronger, they have NO advantage at all. The only thing different is their colour because DarkSoul was the first person to reach legend rank (300kexp about 600 hours of online time I'm thinking)

What the bloody hell are you talking about?

Wait one sec... (I appologize if I'm mistaken). The post that I quoted to were you disagreeing to Darksoul getting Golden Appirces as a reward or Sayian getting free guns because he made them? If its the second one then I appologize.

I am disagreeing with Sayian getting free items because he drew the graphics for them.

people have told me they like mine better :whatever:

special treatment? i'm not being pampered or anything, just getting what i worked on.

funny, i don't remember saying that. I remember saying i made them so i could use them, not just for me. And i'll never be able to use them if i'm never on when there's an event.


he could, but, people really like my GFx ;) it'd be a hard replacement ;)

well, Zone, fun not to many people now, and you don't get the GFx you make. on the other hand, GK, fun, alot of people play, and you get the GFx you make. Can't make up your mind?

i take it you rarely/never play Zone, cause vulcan has all/most of the event weaps, and i assure you, he didn't win them.

Suggestions don't take 30 min to an hour to think of. :rolleyes:

Oh, I'm sure there's some member in the GGT that can live up to your awesomeness... :rolleyes:

Zone is a game about shooting, running, and all that stuff... It's a game of co-ordination... not of drawing. You getting an item just because Stefan liked something you scribbled down seems like special treatment.

Apologies for the first bit, I must've misread. And I'll never get to use them if I'm never on when there's an event. If you get an event item without winning and event, how is that fair to the people who actually managed to win an event to win one? That item is their trophy, the fact that people distinguish them as good players for having the item is one of the perks of getting it in the first place.

I know some pretty damn good graphics artists... Somehow I doubt it.

I'm still doubting that the fact that GK gives you the items you GFX for is a large deciding factor.

Oh, and FYI... GK is incredibly unbalanced, and pretty much ruined now due in part to people getting items 'poofed' to their account by admins.

Hmm, well, I did not know that. I'd have to say I don't agree with him getting those free items either. I don't really see how they would aid him in performing his duties.

So... They still contributed... If you're saying that they dont deserve some sort of compensation because they didn't put upto 30 minutes of work into the item... How do you plan to prove that you worked upto 30 minutes on any of the graphics you've made?... I'm sure many of them could've been finished within 5 minutes or less.

Then I appologize...

well, i wasn't going to continue this argument (all haunter does is argue) but since Anubis asked ^^...


i'm sure there is, i'm not so good at doing guns(i do humans better) but i'm the only one GFx'n for Zone, and Stefan didn't find me, i found him ;)

i think i'd no what Zone is about, since i do pwn it ;) and trust me, it's not just about running, and shooting...unless u have no friends o.o 1/3 of the time i'm on zone i'm talking to friends :)

scribbled down?! it takes 2 sec to scribble something, it takes awhile to make a gun...

damn right ;)

fair? if you haven't learned yet, nothing in life is 'fair' :\


a trophy is something you look at and admire, not something you fight with. And it doesn't 'distinguish' people as being 'good' because half the time events go on, no one 'good' is on :(

i'm sure you do, but what makes you think there good at making guns (expecailly for zone)? i think only 2 others have recently made a gun for Zone...while i have made various items..lemme name some;

1) Reapers
2) Red Pistoles
3) Blue Pistoles
4) Speeder (the one on Zone Wars map)
5) Kv9
6) Storm Rifle
7) Head 17 i think?(the one i use)
8) a Tank (going to be in new map)
9) a Droid (might be in new map?)
10) Mounted Machine gun (is going in new map)
11) Graviton Grenade
12) Graviton Gun
13) Red Riffle
14) Green Riffle
(plus if any of my other GFx are being added, not sure what else is being added though :\ so i can't continue the list, as of yet)

suck on that, i'm pretty sure none of you so called 'GFx friends' have done any of this for Zone, in 6 months ;) (though it was really more like 3 or 4, cause i played GK for the first 2 months or so, then i just got back from being on GK for a month.)

well, i'm telling you what i've heard...

I no GK is unbalanced, the staff give there friends items, and don't hold any(barely any) events

well, now u no where i'm comming from.

well then, i guess its a good thing i ask people if they wanna see the idea (when i ask for ideas i get some crazy ass ****)

shall we continue?

Yes, that is all I do... :rolleyes: I guess it's lucky to everybody else that you hardly ever venture far from the Zone section of the forums.

What was the point I was making here? Oh yeah... If you stop making graphics, there are still members of the Global Graphics Team to help Stefan. What does your comment here have to do with that? Please stay in context.

Talking to friends is a universal graal things... Thus it is not included in "What Zone is about."

It was a metaphor, chill.

God, you suck it up when you get the chance, don't you? That's sad... I was trying to be good natured, and sincere.

Don't try and pull your philosophy bullcrap on me buddy. If nothing in life is fair, and you realize, and accept that, then you shouldn't have a problem accepting that you don't get free items after you draw them.

I'm pretty sure a trophy can serve more than one purpose... The item is their prize to use, and show off. Of course it distiguishes people... They were the best person in that event, and now they have their trophy to prove it. It's all realtive, man.

What make me think that? Because the people I'm refering to are extremely talented, well rounded artists that could handle almost anything that Graal could possibly throw at them. So... just because you've pumped out a bunch of graphics over the last 6 months... You're suddenly a national treasure? I call bull****. Just because you've done a bunch of stuff for Zone doesn't make you better than the people I'm refering to (The folks in GGT, and some friends who aren't in GGT). I'm sure Stefan would've called in the GGT had he needed to... But since you're already doing graphics for him, he can leave the GGT to to their own thing. Just because they haven't made anything for Zone yet doesn't mean they're not qualified.

Uh huh... How many times... from how many different people? :rolleyes:

So you feel okay with starting that sort of thing on Zone by getting someone to 'poof' things into your account without you earning them ingame?

How do you suppose that?

You're avoiding my question. If you deserve the weapon because you spend "atleast 30 minutes to an hour on the graphics" how do you plan to prove that you actually did take that long to make them?

I would if you persisted, but I can barely understand a bloody thing you say. Slow down and stay in context. You're not making any sense. Also: http://www.dictionary.com

i didnt read all the posts, but on to the *sayain gettin his weapons* topic, vulcan HAS got all the event weapons, and he tottaly sux with guns so he couldnt win them, so if vulcan gets them why shouldnt sayain?

Gambet also got them. and why are you always trying to prove Sayian wrong haunter... and just cause he didn't script anything doesnt mean he shouldn't get it. He helped make the guns what they is, so he should get them.

i'm serioius, u came in here and started 'flaming me' that's what they call it...

in context? what was my point again? oh yeah, they like my GFx better o.o
you barely play zone (if ever) how are you going to tell someone who plays almost daily, what Zone's about?

i'm calm

but u made me look bad :(

i should, but i don't ;) and btw there not 'free' if you made them o.o Vulcan Gani'd them, so he got them. Stefan Scripted them and got them. But when i GFx them, i don't get em'. It's team work, except, they exclude me :\ (and if you make a pizza, do you eat it? or do you just hand it over to whoever asks for it? what's the difference here? (minus the pizza) i made the GFx, therefore i should get them)

is it? ;)

must i answer that? ;) xD

did i say i was better than them? i said they were probly better than me. But the players like my GFx more, that's all i said (there you go mis-reading again)


never said they weren't, i asked if you knew if they were good at doing guns >_< i said i've made alot of GFx in the past couple of months.

Uh huh... How many times... from how many different people? :rolleyes:

what are you talking about? that's why i left GK, and went back to Zone, plz, acutally read my text o.o

read the first comment i made, i think?


hmmm, maybe cause you don't make anything in 10 min o.o that and i tell everyone when i'll be GFx'n, plus if Vulcan aim's me, he see's how long it takes. :asleep:

*the neverending argument* (started by haunter, what else is new?:eek:)

bring the vocab down a lil' (wtf does context mean?o.o)

you should learn to use your own sources ;)

But the thing is, Vulcan shouldn't get them... That's unfair as well... Even though it's been repeated to death, it's still true: "Two wrongs do not make a right."

aye but to wrongs make a umm fair, the fact is vulcan has them, and sayain hasent, and sayain should have them!

no, it's 2 i guess. Stefan and Vulcan have them (though, stefan can get anything xD) but inculding me, 3 rights make a left, and that's close enough ;). I still think i should get them...and haunter thanks for not continueing that long argument...that took me like 10 min to do...it was gettin annouying xD

I didn't read all the replies so this is to the main post.

I think the whole point of designing graphics and weapons for zone was to help them. Like, isn't that said in the Server Message? "To help with Zone levels or graphics..."
So its not like you're uploading personal things, you're making things for the server, not for yourself.

Hope that makes sense.

it made some sence, but i think sayain should get the weapons because vulcan and gambet did, so why shouldnt he.

Excuuuusee me haunter, but do you know how hard pixel art is? I do graphical effects and vector art myself, i'm quite accomplished at it. I tried pixel art, and failed miserably. Saiyan puts quite alot of effort into his graphics, and with the multitude he's done for zone, he at least deserves to use what he has made.

He did the graphics, stefan did the coding. He did half, practically, so that makes him perfectly legible to get one.

And rubbing grammar in people's faces is a sure sign that you're obviously running out of arguments. And i'd like to see you do better than Saiyan before saying he is 'just slapping a bunch of pixels together'.

In short, Screw you. He worked hard to make them, the creator should get to use what he helped to create.

The fact that Stefan has them sort of makes sense... For one, like you mentioned, he owns all of GraalOnline so he can get whatever he wishes Secondly, he would need them for debug reasons... As for Vulcan having them... That I don't agree with. He's not going to be fixing any bugs in their scripts, so really, he doesn't need to have them to perform his job on the server.

First of all, I don't see you or Vulcan getting free items as 'right'... Second of all, left is the complete opposite of right... Thus it's wrong. Enough with the rotational analogies.

I'm not trying to say you shouldn't get them just because it's you... I wouldn't agree with anybody trying to get free items in your position.

I would've replied to your longer post, but when I saw it last night, it was late, and I had to be sure I would make it to school on time this morning. I will not continue if you do not wish to. I think I've made my opinion clear. If you would like to continue and discuss it further, by all means, I'd be happy to.

I have done my share of pixel art on graal, yes... I never too difficult myself... I'm not the greatest at it, no, but I find it easier than say... Vector art, or free-hand drawing. It really isn't as hard as you're making it out to be. Saiyan does have the chance to use what he's made, I just think he (And Vulcan) should have to get it the way every other player does...

Sorry, but for those weapons, the graphics, and coding aspects are not equal halves in terms of work.

I wasn't trying to rub grammar in his face... For one, the closest thing I did to rubbing grammar in his face was link him to the dictionary... Dictionarys are prominently used for spelling. I linked him there for two reasons: 1) It was becoming more and more difficult to understand what he was saying... I was hoping he would take more time to write his posts, so I gave him a source as an aid. 2) He asked what 'context' means... That information is readily available at dictionary.com.

I'll repeat what I said before: Saiyan does have the chance to use what he's made, I just think he (And Vulcan) should have to get it the way every other player does...

I think I have a pretty good grasp on the situation... The only thing I wasn't aware of was the fact that Vulcan gets weapons for free (I will reiterate for the record: I don't agree with that either) and now I know that... If there's something else that I'm missing, please inform me asap. :)

I never came here with the intent to turn anything into a 'flame war'. I came here to read the thread. To be honest, I thought Sayian was giving a tutorial on designing weapons, so I was interested. As it turns out it was something completely different... It was still something I was interested in though, so I spoke my piece. The forums are for discussion, if Sayian didn't want the opinions of other users on the matter, he shouldn't have posted in the first place.