Bel'la Olplyn - Page 3

Cheops · #31 08-16-2005, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Butz

Game Mechanics Vs. Roleplaying

the comic is an example of bad rp, not how rp and gm are incompatible

Butz · #32 08-16-2005, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheops

the comic is an example of bad rp, not how rp and gm are incompatible

You don't understand. The Zormite in that comic is a Professional Soldier, while the Drow is a Citizen. By all roleplaying accounts, the Soldier should wipe the floor with the citizen. However, all the Drow has to do is pull out his trusty Flame Ice Dagger of OMFG + 6 (Improved 11/14), etc, and the Level 3 player of the professional soldier is gone in a poof.

Luigi1 · #33 08-16-2005, 03:33 AM

Game mechanics and roleplaying are different aspects.

Cheops · #34 08-16-2005, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Butz

You don't understand. The Zormite in that comic is a Professional Soldier, while the Drow is a Citizen. By all roleplaying accounts, the Soldier should wipe the floor with the citizen. However, all the Drow has to do is pull out his trusty Flame Ice Dagger of OMFG + 6 (Improved 11/14), etc, and the Level 3 player of the professional soldier is gone in a poof.

So then, either: the professional soldier should work towards being on more equal footing with the citizen, or he shouldn't be a professional soldier. In the same way there are GM powerplayers there are also RP powerplayers who believe they should be invulnerable or habe special privileges and rights because of their character's RP. Personally, I believe GM is much more objective than the patched and disjointed RP histories most people come up with, so to RP properly it should be based on something more tangible that actually makes use of the game engine---otherwise, why not just make a p&p GK game or something?

To me, the use of an "overpowered" item to kill someone in one swipe is just as bad as assuming that just because someone was given a certain rank they should be able to "wipe the floor with" another player.

But this has all been said before, we keep treading the same ground over and over and arguments seem to me more like cyclical time in a Gabriel García Márquez novel than actual progress.

Luigi1 · #35 08-16-2005, 03:42 AM

Right, so someone can magically pull out $1000 USD, buy/steal a pile of items, and say "OGMOGMOGMOGMOMGG WTF U AL SUXX I R BLOW UP WERLD B/C I HAEV ITMZ DAT I USDD ADN SKAMPT"?

Googi · #36 08-16-2005, 03:52 AM

Kingdom mode is the ultimate cure to almost all problems mentioned here. Don't like GM powerplayers? They're not a problem with kingdom mode. Don't like RP powerplayers? Also not a problem with kingdom mode. Kingdom mode is the ultimate equalizer.

Cheops · #37 08-16-2005, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Luigi1

Right, so someone can magically pull out $1000 USD, buy/steal a pile of items, and say "OGMOGMOGMOGMOMGG WTF U AL SUXX I R BLOW UP WERLD B/C I HAEV ITMZ DAT I USDD ADN SKAMPT"?

Honestly, how many people (who actively RP and whose RP is accepted) do/have actually done that? You make it sound like it's a major problem, but I'm saying it's no bigger a problem than people relying on some overblown RP history to conquer kingdoms and be invulnerable to everything. A waste of game mechanics and laziness on the part of "true RPers" to work towards actually matching RP and GM aspects of their characters.

Luigi1 · #38 08-16-2005, 04:13 AM

Yes, except you'll notice that most of the people with high stats either did at least one one of these:
a) Scammed,
b) USD'ed,
c) Glitched, or
d) Got staff to illegally /create them items.

Zurkiba · #39 08-16-2005, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheops

So then, either: the professional soldier should work towards being on more equal footing with the citizen, or he shouldn't be a professional soldier. In the same way there are GM powerplayers there are also RP powerplayers who believe they should be invulnerable or habe special privileges and rights because of their character's RP. Personally, I believe GM is much more objective than the patched and disjointed RP histories most people come up with, so to RP properly it should be based on something more tangible that actually makes use of the game engine---otherwise, why not just make a p&p GK game or something?

To me, the use of an "overpowered" item to kill someone in one swipe is just as bad as assuming that just because someone was given a certain rank they should be able to "wipe the floor with" another player.

But this has all been said before, we keep treading the same ground over and over and arguments seem to me more like cyclical time in a Gabriel García Márquez novel than actual progress.

Are you suggesting that roleplaying should be selective? As in a person should not be able to roleplay what he/she wants --that is within reason--... but instead what their level dictates?

Brad · #40 08-16-2005, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Luigi1

Yes, except you'll notice that most of the people with high stats either did at least one of these:
a) Scammed,
b) USD'ed,
c) Glitched, or
d) Got staff to illegally /create them items.

e) all of the above

Luigi1 · #41 08-16-2005, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad

e) all of the above

I said "at least" :P

Draenin · #42 08-16-2005, 12:41 PM

Oh, cool. Post by both Lance and I agreeing with Shawn's comic being a good example of how it does show how the two are incompatible were erased. You're a cool kid, Kefkin.

And yes, Googi's right. Kingdom mode could solve everything. And it's better than doing a complete wipe.

xAndrewx · #43 08-16-2005, 01:10 PM

Draenin, I don't get you. First you hate Bel'la O' with everyone else and want it gone. Now you want it to stay if kingdom mode is released?

Draenin · #44 08-16-2005, 01:11 PM

Hell no.

xAndrewx · #45 08-16-2005, 01:17 PM

Why is it in the Bel'la O' thread? Can someone please remove all the pointless posts not related to Bel'la O'? thanks.