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Old 12-01-2008, 04:01 AM
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Skill Wise: Ace

Attitude Wise: Sapphire

Hilarity Wise: Sean (dunno why, he just was so stupid at some times i laugh)
Yeah, I think we should just vote that way, not who's the strongest and stuff, but by categories...
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Old 12-01-2008, 04:12 AM
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skill is definitly ace imo

as a person id say huwajux
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Old 12-01-2008, 04:00 PM
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I'd vote Typhoon or Touya.

Touya was hella good, Typhoon (hereafter referred to as "Jar Jar") was overrated crap.

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ace could have ripped them both to shreds.
Ace and I were on a even playing field. I wasn't one of the first Xanadu's just because of my charm and good looks.


Ace, Tro, Zidaine, Ray... I miss those guys.

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Saian probably. What ever happened to him? Did he ever go to school for grafic design?
Ace was better than Sayian. As a matter of a fact, Sayian was an Ace worshipper.

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i never remember touya beating ace when ace was at his best, and typhoon is overrated , i was better than him.
IXI, Touya was way better than Ace. Touya's prime was before you started playing so you can't be expected to know that...but yeah, Touya and Jin were absolute beasts.


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skill is definitly ace imo
Your opinion is lame.



Siwin Fiery (tao_clan1) was your God.

For his time, at least, there was no one better. His skill started falling apart after he stopped using appirces and used other weapons...

He was the first marshall, the first elite...

Anyone who played back then can't deny tao's legacy. He had three times the amount of experience the person in second place had. He was a machine!

He'd go into base 1 and kill everyone except one noob, he'd finally fall to that kid and then just be fine. He wouldn't team chat "lag" and scream and rant and rave about how Zone sucks like most kids these days do. That was pretty cool to me.

unknown (Sweep_Fleet) killed by tao_clan1 (Storm_Riders) with appirces (+12 exp)

You saw that WAY too much back when I first started playing. Tao has my vote.

In all reality, this is a matter of opinion. Even if someone is better than Siwin, I will never accept it. Siwin was the guy I viewed as the best when I first started playing and he has always been there. Even if the entire Forums community shouts "Ace" at me I'll still scream right back "TAO!!!"

The same applies to DDC diehards, or Jin diehards, or Ace diehards.
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Old 12-01-2008, 07:07 PM
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In all reality, this is a matter of opinion. Even if someone is better than Siwin, I will never accept it. Siwin was the guy I viewed as the best when I first started playing and he has always been there. Even if the entire Forums community shouts "Ace" at me I'll still scream right back "TAO!!!"
Siwin sucked.
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Old 12-01-2008, 10:27 PM
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Siwin sucked.
Siwin rocked.

Throw your big words at me, I don't care. Siwin will always be the best to me.
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Old 12-02-2008, 09:52 PM
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Throw your big words at me, I don't care. Siwin will always be the best to me.
Siwin sucked.
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Old 12-01-2008, 04:54 PM
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Old 12-01-2008, 06:10 PM
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Toni A hos is the best player ever.
LMAO YES! the best player with lagz! LAGZ MAN IS HIM


revo, rmeber we were having fun with him. do u know now his country? lol
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Old 12-01-2008, 10:21 PM
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Siwin was good when I first saw him, thought he was beast but called not playing and he was the first best player of zone lol.
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:22 AM
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Siwin was good when I first saw him, thought he was beast but called not playing and he was the first best player of zone lol.
Stop acting like you are a damn oldbie. You started this year.
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:42 AM
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Siwin was good when I first saw him, thought he was beast but called not playing and he was the first best player of zone lol.
i don't even understand what you said
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:56 AM
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i don't even understand what you said
Who knows, he thinks he's played longer than most of us.
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Old 12-01-2008, 11:08 PM
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theres been a different top player during every different era of zone. even jesse was the best player at one points, i wish all those people could log on in their prime, with me in my prime, and just have one big scrap.
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Old 12-02-2008, 01:40 AM
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Siwin was good when I first saw him, thought he was beast but called not playing and he was the first best player of zone lol.
I know you didn't play back then... What were the 3 major guilds at that time period?

Tell me 3 alternate nicknames Siwin used to wear back when he was declared "best player."
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Old 12-02-2008, 02:22 AM
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I know you didn't play back then... What were the 3 major guilds at that time period?

Tell me 3 alternate nicknames Siwin used to wear back when he was declared "best player."
My cousin showed me this game years ago I didn't start to play 2 years ago. I played before but didn't know what I was doing.
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Old 12-02-2008, 04:56 AM
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My cousin showed me this game years ago I didn't start to play 2 years ago. I played before but didn't know what I was doing.
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Old 12-02-2008, 05:24 AM
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Old 12-02-2008, 10:21 PM
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Old 12-03-2008, 02:16 PM
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i think someone has a crush on siwin :P
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:50 PM
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Old 12-03-2008, 05:14 PM
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Old 12-04-2008, 06:33 AM
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This is opinion based, and let's remember, most Graal players do not judge a player by their purest skill - they mix in popularity and all of that junk.

Let's be real here, who was the actual best? Well, you have to look at pure dominance. You can't fight in a small pond of players, and lay claim to being the best (This is targeted to all the people suggesting, IxI, Typhoon, and Ace were the best).

StormY IMO is the absolute best. He fought in a large pond, an ocean in fact. He was the best in Zone's "Golden Age" of players. After Hayashi died off, and most of the veterans quit, Zone was a much easier server to become the "best" on. Argue or not, it's the truth.

I also noticed that many people (As I stated above) who are popular, will receive more votes for the "best" position.

Argue with me if you must, but various players (Some of whom no one has mentioned yet) would defiantly be ranked high in Zone's all-time "best" list. RealDDC, Gambet, Muroku (SC?), and Touya were amongst the elites.

Although I do personally believe that Tao and Gambet become bigger than they actually were (Skill wise). Muroku was very underrated by many, and he was a solid player. Touya was a killing machine back in the day. He didn't play for stats, but if you challenged him to a spar you would of probably lost. RealDDC was an amazing player if I recall. I never got along with him during my stay on Zone, but I always respected the dude because he never let his skill get to his head.

Anyways, that's just my take. Nobody here is going to agree.

You can have your little "Fan Clubs," but that doesn't mean who you worship is actually the best.
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Old 12-04-2008, 06:36 AM
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This is opinion based, and let's remember, most Graal players do not judge a player by their purest skill - they mix in popularity and all of that junk.

Let's be real here, who was the actual best? Well, you have to look at pure dominance. You can't fight in a small pond of players, and lay claim to being the best (This is targeted to all the people suggesting, IxI, Typhoon, and Ace were the best).

StormY IMO is the absolute best. He fought in a large pond, an ocean in fact. He was the best in Zone's "Golden Age" of players. After Hayashi died off, and most of the veterans quit, Zone was a much easier server to become the "best" on. Argue or not, it's the truth.

I also noticed that many people (As I stated above) who are popular, will receive more votes for the "best" position.

Argue with me if you must, but various players (Some of whom no one has mentioned yet) would defiantly be ranked high in Zone's all-time "best" list. RealDDC, Gambet, Muroku (SC?), and Touya were amongst the elites.

Although I do personally believe that Tao and Gambet become bigger than they actually were (Skill wise). Muroku was very underrated by many, and he was a solid player. Touya was a killing machine back in the day. He didn't play for stats, but if you challenged him to a spar you would of probably lost. RealDDC was an amazing player if I recall. I never got along with him during my stay on Zone, but I always respected the dude because he never let his skill get to his head.

Anyways, that's just my take. Nobody here is going to agree.

You can have your little "Fan Clubs," but that doesn't mean who you worship is actually the best.
I have a question... who the hell are you?
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:47 AM
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Wow, I don't know who you are, but I like you.

RealDDC probably didn't let it all go to his head because he was in his 20s when he played.
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:55 AM
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Let's be real here, who was the actual best? Well, you have to look at pure dominance. You can't fight in a small pond of players, and lay claim to being the best (This is targeted to all the people suggesting, IxI, Typhoon, and Ace were the best). .
what do you mean by cant fight in a small pond of players?
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:38 AM
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Aldaris, Read the name from the poster Its left above on his post.
i know that, smartypants. im just wondering how hes known all this information when in my 2 years playing i have never seen his account name.. he is very smart apparently.. a second Huwajux? O.o
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Old 12-04-2008, 06:19 PM
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StormY IMO is the absolute best.
He was without a doubt in the top 5, I agree.


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RealDDC, Gambet, Muroku (SC?), and Touya were amongst the elites.
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Although I do personally believe that Tao and Gambet become bigger than they actually were (Skill wise).
I suppose everyone got overrated in Old Zone, even Storm.

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Muroku was very underrated by many, and he was a solid player.
I never liked him after I beat him in spar to join Hayashi and he stuck me in Infantry. Which, at the time, I understood was super low rank. But whatever, the past is past.

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Touya was a killing machine back in the day. He didn't play for stats, but if you challenged him to a spar you would of probably lost. RealDDC was an amazing player if I recall. I never got along with him during my stay on Zone, but I always respected the dude because he never let his skill get to his head.
You should come back on Zone for a bit, you'll probably see DDC. He plays again now.

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Anyways, that's just my take. Nobody here is going to agree.
Everyone has their own opinion. I like how you stood your ground and stated it rather than going with the flow. :]


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An Oldbie.

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i know that, smartypants. im just wondering how hes known all this information when in my 2 years playing i have never seen his account name

Because 2 years is, seriously, a long time.
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Old 12-04-2008, 07:40 PM
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i know that, smartypants. im just wondering how hes known all this information when in my 2 years playing i have never seen his account name.. he is very smart apparently.. a second Huwajux? O.o
in my 4-5 years playing ive never seen him either, im assuming its not his first acct.
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Cant we make an thread for oldbies , All threads are going to talks about old times and ''Great'' stories...
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And you arn't a oldbie. Neither am I considered a true oldbie
Your not even around the term Midbie I made up.
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Old 12-06-2008, 05:38 PM
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Old 12-06-2008, 07:04 PM
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That would explain the in-game pm(s) i got awhile back

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Heya everyone,

This is really an "interesting" question, for about as long as zone exists.

Since this is my first post ever on the forums here, its going to be a rather long post. By times I may get a bit offtopic with it, I'll try some proper and readable english and I'll try to avoid mentioning names.

But there needs a few things to be separated, while you search for the unknown "X".

- Old-Zone cant be compared or mixed with New-Zone

- Strafing weapons can't be compared with dual guns

- Duel skills can't be compared with open field skills


But it could never be settled in Old-Zone days and it wont probably either at New-Zone days, as for a lot aspects playing a role in these sort of top score.

I for myself am a pretty old zone player, recently back after a "little" break, but not one of those prehistoric dinosaurs playing from the first day zone came out, so I've seen a lot players going up and down in the fictive "top player score".

As for the aspects, there is of course "the skill". I've seen some older post a few days ago, about on the forum pretty good explaining how skill can be determined. But there are also other aspects beeing taken effect on the pretty mutch fictive top player score. Here is a few examples, of what also "manipulates".

- Have a weapon, that noone else has, or only a very minor amount of players
- Beeing an player with abilitys over the normal player as staff
- Talkaktive personality on forums or ingame
- Beeing p2p or trial
- Laming and cheating or fair play
- ...

It could be a very long list, while most of it doesnt take effect on the "skill" ingame, it does on the battles on forums and afterwards. I for myself never hung around forums to "sort" things out, I'd never even read anything on this forum. The topic starter mentioned the New-Zone, but the post went back into Old-Zone, while most if not all of those players mentioned stopped to play, these afterwards battles cant be effected anymore with "skill".

But there is also aspects, that pretended skill and manipulated the top score list in time. As for this beeing usually an excuss to lose a duel, mostely common used "...I have lag..." else you would have lost, one day later it most likely was "...You have lag...." else I would have won.

Its only everyone himself who knows his real skills, while the rest is beeing a result of the reputation, so is the fictive list and votings. A player who fought in duels just anyone, be it a newcommer or a obvious skilled player, would most likely lose a lot reputation if he fell, having someone shouting "... I did beat XY in a spar, wawawoo....." while for some sort of reason he forgott to mention that he lost 10 duels straight before.
I remember "top-score" peoples, who always had a good or merely bad excuss not to spar.

As for trials another aspect would be the ingame scores, that trials couldnt approach on and the items they could only hardely afford or other goals to archive, so as the penaltys decreased hp later. I remember a lot spars, where the health was uneven and the player with the more health came out ending up with more damage taken than the player with lower health but still being the "winner". As there was no "spar room" in those days, regenaration of health over time also effected the outcome of duels and the player with the more hp at maximum could of course recover more than the player with the less maximum health.

As for the Old-Zone I'd like to mention one name, as its be Touya for beeing another trial who made himself a name with skills even at the sometimes rough penalitys for the trials. So there I happened to mention a name.

Old-Zone for me is the time I started zone, New-Zone is anything after weapons like reapers, rps, bps and magnums where introduced at "mass production". Why dont the "greats of Old-Zone" been rest in peace and remembered in a good way, rather than having them fighting a afterlife match, throwing dirt on them, without the participants beeing able to take effect on. Let them have statues on zone, mention your favorite whenever possible, talk about good ol' days.... but threat them with respect.

We dont fight over whos been more intelligent, as its beeing Albert Einstein with his theory of relativity that lets me chill stuffed peacefully on saturday nights and gives me the creeps when I think about nuclear technology, the chinese guy inventing the abacus to set the first steps to let me play computer games today but having a hard time with the electricity bill or the first person going to invent the timewarp machine to compare the guys, if the research of black holes and dark materia doesn't eat up our so loved planet... *shrug*

And let the skilled peoples of the new generation on "New-Zone" arise!

Im trough with "Old-Zone" and I might be moving on over to "New-Zone", since its merely unplayable as trial today im p2p now as I was Trial4Life on the good ol' times. One major reason, why I would like to start again from the scratch.

If i figure out how to do so, im creating a zone oldbie guild called either "Oldbies" or "ZoneOldbies". Only requierement to join is, the account was created in old days, and you made yourself a name. There wont be ranks, titels or anything, if possible there wont be even a leader.

If you'd like to join, contact me somehow ingame or on forums, you dont need to be active on zone, your glady invited even if your just chit-chat on forum, are an et/admin or playing other games.

Dont miss to check out this: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...49#post1447449
Greetings,

RealDDc

PS: Yes it is and always was "c", no capital "C" xD

Edit: Im sorry if my post is to hard to read, long time ago that someone was teaching me "zum properz englishzz". Link comes soon.

Last edited by RealDDc; 12-07-2008 at 04:51 AM..
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