Events and gps vs Hosted section?

[Kronan]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Seeing as there is 100+ playerworlds paying, yes.


Excaliber, if you delete your whole overworld, and start fresh, you might have a chance at hosted.

I understand what he's getting at.

Depending on the quality of the servers each playerworld is on, they can only host a small ammount of gservers on each machine. If too many are hosted then it will overload cpu/memory and cause extreme lag. Each server Graal must use must be over $150 a month for sure, that's not counting extra-bandwidth costs, etc.

[Warcaptain]

Originally Posted by unixmad

Do you think $99 a year is really paying the costs for running a server ?

Also Playeworlds are part of the Graal Player community and to run the Graal community we need rules. We need to enforce rules because Players are paying for playing graal and we can not let a playerworld owner ban someone with not good reason (to give a exemple).

You can still discuss the rules and give your point of view but when we give rules they should be respected by everyone.

I totally agree with you. There need to be rules. I did mention security issues, but I didn't think to mention account issues, which is entirely valid. Players also pay to play which means that they have rights.

My statements were supposed to say that its unfair to say that they can't give jobs to whomever they want. RC is another thing, if they are not showing responsibility towards their RC Management then the Graal should step in. But, as I said, if a playerworld wanted to start hiring and training staff for non-development jobs then they should have the right. But the same rules apply to non-development RC's as would any other RC's.. instead of focusing on denying people the ability to hire or create whatever staff positions they want, you should focus on policing irresponsible behavior by staff in general and/or managment.

As for the server fee's, I do not think that it is unreasonable, in fact I think it's not bad at all. I do believe that requiring playerworld managers to have a gold and/or VIP account is a bit unfair. If someone wishes to develope a playerworld they shouldn't have to have a gold or vip account to log onto that playerworld and have limited rights on the forums. I am trying to look at things on the point of view of perspective gamers and developers.. they don't want to have to pay to view something they develop. I feel that graal is making some great steps to become a more mainstream game, but there are still many changes left to make and I am happy to see you and Stefan are attempting to take them in a more constructive manner. Keep up the good work.

[Matt]

I think Managers don't hire ETs and GPs just for them to do their job. I think a small part of this has to do with playercount. Some managers tend to hire GPs for the sole purpose of being active and helping keep the playerworlds playercount up, because a high playercount will most likely attract more players and possibly developers.

But as its been said before, although managers love trying to create a good playerworld, they along with the rest of their staff need to obey and enforce the rules of GraalOnline.

[Malinko]

Well, the Playerworld Administration does not go around on underconstruction playerworlds firing people who are non-development staff. The reason is, sure, UC playerworlds have staff which are non-development such as Events Team, F.A.Q., and Graal Police, but most contribute to the playerworld by making ganis, graphics, levels, and scripts. So in general, there isn't much harm done.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Seeing as there is 100+ playerworlds paying, yes.


Excaliber, if you delete your whole overworld, and start fresh, you might have a chance at hosted.

Lol, of course. We all know every playerworld is hosted on the same machine

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

But im staff at a going to be bigger better place then yours.

That'll be the day.

[MysticX2X]

That'll be the day.

Actually, a playerworld with that default osl is better than all of excalibers levels quite frankly. Maybe even the whole server. And i'm yet to still seeto be amazed at your server.

Lol, of course. We all know every playerworld is hosted on the same machine

Yeah but i bet that money does pay for all the servers Or they would be losing money.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Actually, a playerworld with that default osl is better than all of excalibers levels quite frankly. Maybe even the whole server. And i'm yet to still seeto be amazed at your server.

You must be very familiar with that level, being that it shows a lack of work on your part. And can't anyone see a pattern in this guys posts, most are attacking me, or DR, and most without reason. How long 'till this guys banned for harassment, flaming, and a multitude of other things?

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by unixmad

Do you think $99 a year is really paying the costs for running a server ?

Yes. Don't kid yourself, a company cannot sustain itself if it is not making profits. If you're losing money, or breaking even on graal servers, you'd probably cease the ability to posess them.

Perhaps 99 dollars != cost of a server, but last time I checked, there are 5 servers running 100 plus GServers.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Yes. Don't kid yourself, a company cannot sustain itself if it is not making profits. If you're losing money, or breaking even on graal servers, you'd probably cease the ability to posess them.

Perhaps 99 dollars != cost of a server, but last time I checked, there are 5 servers running 100 plus GServers.

He's not saying that he's not making a profit. He's saying that if you tried to run a server on your own, $99 wouldn't cover it at all. Think before you post, mk?

[Malinko]

I don't see the reason to complain at all.

If you want to buy a playerworld and develop it, then follow the rules. It's not too hard x-x. If you don't want to develop the playerworld, then don't buy it in the first place if you have an issue with certain rules. As it says within the rules and what unixmad said within the thread in a post, the rules were made for a reason.

Of course, I understand that you wish to just discuss the rule, but I don't think the Playerworld Administration is so forceful about this rule that if we see a non-development staff position, that we fire him/her.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

He's not saying that he's not making a profit. He's saying that if you tried to run a server on your own, $99 wouldn't cover it at all. Think before you post, mk?

And if that's what you believe him to be saying, then it had no relevancy to the thread.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

And if that's what you believe him to be saying, then it had no relevancy to the thread.

You would think there is no relevancy to this thread, if you're that dense. The point is: You are not spending the correct amount to cover an entire server, so you have no right to not have to listen to any of the rules unixmad, Stefan and the Playerworld Administration Team set forth.