Remember your roots... please...

[Tyhm]

Originally Posted by MKxTortoise

This is Graal, not World of Warcraft
seriously, I cry inside whenever I see a post imploring server managers to waste their time on things that ultimately hinder community development.

In what sense? In the sense people want quests, and quests are bad for fostering a sense of community? Whereas a more powerful sword dropped randomly in the center of the server would be better? In the sense that World of Warcraft is 3D? You leave a lot of lattitude open by saying such a thing; may as well say World of Warcraft is not Super Mario Paint

[Splke]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

World of Warcraft is not Super Mario Paint

Super Mario Paint was elite. I think I'll go play it...

[TedHead2k]

Well, I got a few promises that there is upcoming servers of this kind...
All I can say is, I will believe it when I see it. There have been promises of new, bigger, better servers ever since there was more than just one Graal server. Not a whole lot seems to come.

Either way, my p2p account is expired, and I don't want to take a gamble and try to trust that these other servers really are all that awesome and go renew it.

On another semi-related note, a server I have fond memories of playing on is Dino Valley...

[MKxTortoise]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

In the sense people want quests

They don't want quests. That is an assumption made by the developers.

[Akoalin]

Originally Posted by MKxTortoise

They don't want quests. That is an assumption made by the developers.

Quests are fun. I'm not going to disagree. I had a problem with GTA (Graal the Adventure) getting all the hearts and swords, it took so freaking long just to get through the puzzles, making the casual player get frustrated and quit. Possibly quests should be optional and for items that don't effect pking?

[TedHead2k]

Originally Posted by MKxTortoise

They don't want quests. That is an assumption made by the developers.

If the developers assume players want quest, then why are there so few of them?

If you don't want quests, what do you want to do?

[Tyhm]

Originally Posted by Akoalin

Quests are fun. I'm not going to disagree. I had a problem with GTA (Graal the Adventure) getting all the hearts and swords, it took so freaking long just to get through the puzzles, making the casual player get frustrated and quit. Possibly quests should be optional and for items that don't effect pking?

1: Ruddy brilliant idea there. Which is not to say people weren't saying it at me for years, but in hindsight, yeah - make the sword and heart (and I guess shield) quests easy, make the knife and trident and magic quests hard. It's a good plan, though of course there's nothing I can do about it anymore.

2: Way to take a quote out of context tortoise. (Tortoise? Weird...) I was asking, not telling. Thus the series of questions regarding what they meant by "THIS ISN'T WORLD OF WARCRAFT". If you're going to abbreviate a statement kindly include such qualifiers as question marks and negatives - Otherwise "I'm not about to say that Kelly Clarkson's all for abortion" shrinks to "Kelly Clarkson's all for abortion" and "I should be crying about the financial oversight committee?" shrinks to "I should be crying". For that matter, it becomes "This is World of Warcraft", and then where are we? We don't even know what game we're talking about, hardly condusive to conversation.
I'm not intending to make accusations, I'm pointing out where we got off track. My point is not that gamers want quests or that they don't want quests - while admittedly that combination of words were in a post, it wasn't my statement. It is my humble opinion that gamers hate quests but need them anyway, as a world where you start out with the best stats you'll ever have is a mote unfulfilling - if you start with 9 hearts and sword 3, why not start with 3 hearts and sword 1?

I dunno, as regards the skewed topic, perhaps the new Classic management should put up a randomly generated quiz for everyone who pops on, and those who pass start out with the appropriate flags set to bypass the quests. I like to think Classic was more than a convenient hub for tapping the S key at someone who was loading the level, but then, I was in the LAT, it was my job to think that.

[Ethereal]

IMO graal died when p2p came out. nuff said.

[ViCtOrEhEhEh]

Graal2000 Had many many many people at the end of its lifetime. I was one of the people that played it when it was up from Maximus Asinus being manager to Muddy being manager. I think Graal2000 was one of the best servers I've ever played. It was so fun and noone was called "omg n00beh lol u sukz" because it was a nice small community but then we started to get bigger and started going into the top 5 and it was a larger and better community. My point is that G2K in my opinion was one of the best servers.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Ethereal

IMO graal died when p2p came out. nuff said.

You mean when full p2p came out? In 2001 and such Graal was just fine. It was after full p2p came out in mid-2002 that graal began it's downfall.

[GoZelda]

I hate it how Graal:The Adventure or the Graal JUST before the heras is butchered. That was so much fun.

[Tyhm]

An inevitable downfall I'm afraid. Graal needed money, money requires P2P, P2P necessitates a smaller market than free games, a smaller market makes for a smaller community.