Classic Needs Reform

[Evil_Trunks]

if you want to make US island compatible for the new classic just put this at the top of every single script

NPC Code:

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you're done. it worked for ventrue.

[URBANLEGEND]

I couldn't agree more with all of this. Classic is basicly ventrue. There is no doubt about that, but the thing is, back in 2001 and 2002 which guild ruled over classic? US! And now its us US guys *****ing about ventrue runing classic, but this is the same thing there were doing back in 2001-2002. It's all a matter of which guild gets more popular. As for the "Ventrue Hiring Ventrue" thing, 100% true. In a GC hiring, They will hire 3 ventrue and 1 non-ventrue. That 1 non-ventrue doesnt last gc for 3 months tops, eaither fired or quits from the herassment. The GC administration is nighty, who is a cool guy, but is influenced by the peer-pressure of the guild, and the asst. admin Sting, who LEADS Ventrue now a days, and is a complete prick to anyone not in ventrue. FAQ is very fair in their hirings, yes most of the team is ventrue, but its because they know their **** about classic. LAT is all but maybe 1 ventrue..and if im right PKT was fired, i think.. Or atleast his LAT tag stopped working. The whole over-world is ventrue controled, atleast with US we had 1 entrance house and a whole island off the main one, Which is the current one because our great manager Master Storm is afraid of expanding. Sure before the NPCs server was released there was a few unused islands like Nimda and Floydia, but those could of been easily removed. What is going to happen when V.4 is released and we get quests? Are we gonna have to own the ventrue vampires and get a heart, or are we gonna keep the classic style and make us travle all over to win? The way classic is going, we maybe as well rename it "The Catacombs" and make the whole server dark at all times.

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by URBANLEGEND

I couldn't agree more with all of this. Classic is basicly ventrue. There is no doubt about that, but the thing is, back in 2001 and 2002 which guild ruled over classic? US! And now its us US guys *****ing about ventrue runing classic, but this is the same thing there were doing back in 2001-2002. It's all a matter of which guild gets more popular. As for the "Ventrue Hiring Ventrue" thing, 100% true. In a GC hiring, They will hire 3 ventrue and 1 non-ventrue. That 1 non-ventrue doesnt last gc for 3 months tops, eaither fired or quits from the herassment. The GC administration is nighty, who is a cool guy, but is influenced by the peer-pressure of the guild, and the asst. admin Sting, who LEADS Ventrue now a days, and is a complete prick to anyone not in ventrue. FAQ is very fair in their hirings, yes most of the team is ventrue, but its because they know their **** about classic. LAT is all but maybe 1 ventrue..and if im right PKT was fired, i think.. Or atleast his LAT tag stopped working. The whole over-world is ventrue controled, atleast with US we had 1 entrance house and a whole island off the main one, Which is the current one because our great manager Master Storm is afraid of expanding. Sure before the NPCs server was released there was a few unused islands like Nimda and Floydia, but those could of been easily removed. What is going to happen when V.4 is released and we get quests? Are we gonna have to own the ventrue vampires and get a heart, or are we gonna keep the classic style and make us travle all over to win? The way classic is going, we maybe as well rename it "The Catacombs" and make the whole server dark at all times.

Wall....of....text...hurting...eyes....
The goggles! They do nothing!

As for the little bit I bolded, I thought Obby was Asst Administrator of GC now?

[nikomi946]

Classic Needs Reform

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This thread is not intended for bashing or the like. Please only contribute if you have something to say of the situation, not other players.


Same story, differant post. Get off it already. Its obvious that no amount of explanation or logic will convince anyone of anything. Take a look at total p2p playercount. What percentage happen to be Ventrue? You will obviously have more staff from that guild only because of the numbers involved. Classic is no longer a server of 200 people so it won't be as diverse as it once was. You all need to learn that many of us are quite capable of seperating guildlife from stafflife. This post was supposed to be about improving classic. Its obvious right now that morale is low on classic but if as much energy was spent encouraging constructive improvement as I see spent on destructive criticism graal just might be a better place. -Bell

[Stev579]

I could have sworn that Moonie said something along the lines of "Don't make another thread like this."

Alright, where to begin?

Kevin, that first screenshot you posted looks awful because you are using an outdated tileset. The roof is correctly tiled with an accurate tileset, and the level itself looks exactly like Angel Clan but with different tiles. What's the big deal? If you call that crappy, then surely AC is crappy too?

The second screenshot you posted is an update level of Voluran's Mausoleum. It has been updated with that crappy lava and should have never been uploaded in such a state. I will consider changing that soon.

You instantly contradict yourself by claiming that this will be a "No bashing" thread, yet you lace into bashing Ventrue almost immediately.

Okay, as for the CO guildhouse under AC and these multiple entrances to the Catacombs, all were approved by Com013! Please, please, please understand this! These levels were approved to be uploaded BEFORE the NPC Server! STOP MENTIONING TYHM. This point nulls most of your petty little views.

The only player interests that the Catacombs offend are those players who are angry that they don't have a similar size guild house online. That's the way I see things.

EDIT: NOM's guild house isn't uploaded because I've heard that the scripting is terrible. Also, the clan is quite obviously dead. With nobody around to fix it, and nobody around to use it, I doubt that it will ever be uploaded.

If you want to talk about removing levels until they look half decent, I would suggest that you remove URBANLEGEND's and drew's house from the warptex, as they are terrible. You call our levels poor, yet US island was considered an eyesore by all, however the population had to live with it. 3 words - Get over it.

Carrying on with my mention of URBANLEGEND, Ventrue has always been the most dominant clan on Classic. We have a lot of mature, active members, which is reflected in staff hirings. Put 2 and 2 together.

The current LAT team is as follows, according to the NPC server:

(LAT),Reflux,racil,GrowlZ1010,trifle,playared,Dani el,Moonite,jake13jake,Stev579

All but one Ventrue eh? I count 3.

I would be more than happy to upload other levels if I was given respective rights, however this isn't the case.

Sorry for the EYEHURTINGMASSIVEWALLOFTEXT, but these things had to be said.

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by Stev579

Carrying on with my mention of URBANLEGEND, Ventrue has always been the most dominant clan on Classic.

Oh so very ....very false.
But carry on.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Stev

Kevin, that first screenshot you posted looks awful because you are using an outdated tileset.

Post the level with the correct tileset. It's horrible. I could definately find worse levels, I'll actually go and take a couple after I finish this post. Again I say, you would expect more from something that's been in the works for three years.

Originally Posted by Stev

Okay, as for the CO guildhouse under AC and these multiple entrances to the Catacombs, all were approved by Com013!

New Management. It doesn't matter if they were promised by Com013.

Originally Posted by Stev

STOP MENTIONING TYHM.

Originally you people claimed that Tyhm approved them. I think it actually came up in the previous thread. Now the story has changed.

Originally Posted by Stev

Ventrue has always been the most dominant clan on Classic.

Completely false.

Originally Posted by Stev

We have a lot of mature, active members, which is reflected in staff hirings.

As we've seen from previous posts, you aren't the most mature person. You're LAT. Put 2 and 2 together.

Originally Posted by Stev

The current LAT team is as follows, according to the NPC server:

(LAT),Reflux,racil,GrowlZ1010,trifle,playared,Dani el,Moonite,jake13jake,Stev579

Reflux, Stev, Racil. I'm not sure about Massokre. Daniel and Moonite aren't active, so basically the active team is Ventrue.

[Reflux]

1. The staff that were hired for LAT haven't all be from Ventrue at all. Several others who are not on the LAT and weren't in Ventrue were offered places and either declined them, or did not reply to the e-mail confirming that they wanted a place.

2. All guildhouses were being accepted, and all of them are going to be attached to the overworld as opposed to the warptex, that's the way it was, and the way it still is... None other than PKT and Exodus have bothered to send me guild houses and theirs have gone up...

3. Daniel is active by the way maximus and I fail to see how it is a fault of anyones that others have gone inactive?

4. PKT was not fired, he is still active and still making graphics, seems Urban your very uninformed.

5. As for guilds like Overkill not having their guildhouses put up: It was made quite clear to everyone that guildhouse would be accepted from classic guilds that had a plaerbase on the server, guidls like US, SNC, Ventrue, CO, and anyother guild that is a classic guild and going to maintain playerbase on the server. Overkill, does not have a playerbase on the server.

6. It's all very well setting deadlines max, but people tend not to adhere to them, and then what do you do? Fire them? There aren't enough LATs anyway as it is, there aren't enough good applications coming in. So why should we reduce what work we are getting done just because it's not all happening in an instant.

[nikomi946]

Volurans mausoleum level should actually not even be included in a discussion of Ventrue levels, other than the fact that with his permission we were given overworld access to the catacombs through them. Voluran is Brotherhood and takes offense at being thought of as Ventrue. All changes to his levels have been either done by him or under his direction, therefore any further changes will also require his permission or approval.

The original reference to Tyhm was my mistake, it was before my time with the catacombs and I was misinformed. I do however remember Com13's permission and recieved permission from Storm directly. So new administration is also irrelevent.

Lastly, I've heard nothing but complaints about how small Classic has become and how it took 5 minutes to cover the whole world. With the addition of the tunnels and the warptex it expanded the levels available to wander immensely. Ventrue did not take LAT time away that could be used for working on restoring Classic levels or adding more content so Storm and company were free to continue progress on Classic.

Another thought to ponder, if Ventrue is the all powerful influence that all of you claim then why hasn't our influence been able to speed progress in restoring quests? We as much as anyone wish to see Classic restored to its former glory, we want to see the return of higher playercounts, guildwars, quests. All the same things you wish to see but its all in the hands of the scripting gods. When baddies work with gs2 then I'd imagine quests will come together quickly.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by nikomi946

You all need to learn that many of us are quite capable of seperating guildlife from stafflife.

Bell is clearly a hypocrite, because while she was ON TAG she swore at a certain Kevin Azite for voicing a complaint about the Ventrue levels. It's even more ironic, because 30 seconds earlier she had JUST WARNED Luda (notoalpena).

On another occasion, she massed, telling me basically to shut up. I don't think that is how you're supposed to handle any situation.

Toall from Bell to Kevin:

[Reflux]

Only problem with that screenshot is that it could be from anybody named Bell, not the staff member in question.

EDIT: And what does that have to do with the rest of the thread?!

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Reflux

Only problem with that screenshot is that it could be from anybody named Bell, not the staff member in question.

EDIT: And what does that have to do with the rest of the thread?!

Several witnesses to the occurance. And it has to do with the thread because she claims that they're able to seperate the two issues, which clearly she can't even do.

[Reflux]

From a thread about calssic that yet again turns into a riot x.x Does anyone actually have any CONSTRUCTIVE comments to make?

[kabouter]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

This thread is not intended for bashing or the like. Please only contribute if you have something to say of the situation, not other players.

As most of you have seen from the threads that have been posted, classic is going horribly. Contributing to the problem is the fact that a certain guild holds much power, especially when it comes to hiring. The administrators of every division are in Ventrue. That causes has you can imagine, much trouble. Ventrue holds too much influence in the fate and course of action in classic. Whats even worse, is that there are players who play graal that could do their job's better than the people who have them currently can. The GC Admin (Like ETs) Does not level, and appaerntly he doesn't script either. He has GC LATs to do his job for him. On every other server I worked for, the Events Admin is in charge of making new events and the such. The LAT Admin is never on, and seems to only be hiring Ventrue staff members, with the exception of Exodus. The GP Administration is not corrupt in it's hirings, and I do believe it is run quite professionally, less the unfair banning of the account maximus_asinus. The FAQs are still staff, although I hardly ever see a FAQ on, and when they are, they're off tag, or idling on tag.

Back to why the content of classic is starting to decline though. It's because the power this guild has allows them to upload crappy levels with terrible scripting over and over again. If I was the LAT Administrator, I would fire any LAT who tried to turn these levels in. Ventrue refutes claims of having too much stuff, using these lies, that 1.)No guild is big enough to compete, and 2.)no guild is trying to get their stuff uploaded. What they say for 1 is totally unrelated to the fact that they are fundamentally changing classic, and ruining worse that it was the day the NPC-Server was released. 2 is also faux, because guilds are being denied having levels because they're of "poor quality" view attachment 1, and tell me if a level can get poorer than that. They also say no guilds are trying to get stuff uploaded. US was told by the LAT teams that we would only receive a tiny guildhouse on the overworld, or we could put our big old island in the warptex. [EDIT]Ventrue was never told they needed to upload their crap to a warptex, they were free to do so wherever they felt they could add their propaganda to the overworld[/EDIT] US Island was apart of classic, while these catacombs never were. Yet we're being shifted aside for these new ventrue levels that are pretty bad.

View attachment 2, it shows another entrance to the catacombs. There are more around classic, but I don't feel like pissing myself off by going through any more of the Ventrue levels. So what do you think guys, does classic need reform?

Why don't you stop crying. If you really want this thing changed. Do something about it, create a team or a guild on classic who will fight against the Ventrue..

[maximus_asinus]

The playercount isn't high enough to form a rival guild. US was the rival of Ventrue for a long while, but even they are dying out. But anyway fighting Ventrue would have to be on another level, one not in game, one where a person(s) in a high place in management decided to do something about the staff corruption. Battling them elsewhere would be pointless.