Back (kind of) with some images of things i have been doing..

[vahn32]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Presumably, yeah. But I didn't do anything wrong by making my post, and the thread only started veering off-topic when he objected to it.

It just seemed to me like he had no Idea what you were talking about.
I'm guessing English isn't his first language, or he's not familiar with the use of the word "subjective."

[smurfmidgetninja]

Would this even belong in the Graphics thread? Its more along the lines of level design...unless you made the textures and want to show them off...

I will post some of my ueber ****ty HL maps later when I have time...I g2g to school now.

[Soul-Blade]

3d design surely goes under the topic of graphic design. In the end, "level" design is utter nonsense. Hopefully levelmakers won't read my post, so no harm done, but making a level is extremely simple and pales in comparisn to graphics. And 3d design is even harder then normal 2d design; you must make an image in 2d of great quality and convert it to 3d.

As far as actual modelling goes, it is extremely simple once you get the hang of it. Took me about 1 week to get the hand of it, then I was off building spaceships and other nonsense =P. The skinning and texturing aspect is where 3d design gets very difficult. People thing modelling is the hard part, and it never is....anyone can make a nice model. But few can apply the materials needed to make it look like something you can understand.

Anyway, aside from that, it looks better then anything else I've seen posted around here as far as 3d design goes. I didn't realize there were some fellow decent 3d designers here. If my old hard drive that has the models for shifting ages was not fried I would show you some of the models for space ships I made....because it was pre-rendered I got away with some mesh smoothing which made it appear considerably better, but even without mesh smoothing the models look very nice, and if rendered in real time would not appear any different then a smoothed model because of the distance it would be viewed.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

3d design surely goes under the topic of graphic design. In the end, "level" design is utter nonsense. Hopefully levelmakers won't read my post, so no harm done, but making a level is extremely simple and pales in comparisn to graphics.

Anyone can make a level, but not everyone can make a really good level...I do, however, agree that it is probably harder to make good graphics for alot of people, but to call it "utter nonsense"? Come on now....

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Anyone can make a level, but not everyone can make a really good level...I do, however, agree that it is probably harder to make good graphics for alot of people, but to call it "utter nonsense"? Come on now....

Dunno, to make a good level you only have to have a very basic understanding of perspective, and the aging wear & tear of stuff, and patience.

[Redwizard]

I believe a graphics artist can be a good level maker. graphics artists make graphics out of pixels, level makers make graphics out of sets of pixels, or 'tiles'. It's all the same, except the end result for a level maker is considered a level, or what i like to call 'series of graphics in certain places'. It all comes down to what you break down the level to be.
level = 64x64 tiles(?), tiles = 16x16 pixels, pixel = graphical unit. heh so a level maker is actually a graphics assembler ^.^

[Soul-Blade]

Originally Posted by Redwizard

I believe a graphics artist can be a good level maker. graphics artists make graphics out of pixels, level makers make graphics out of sets of pixels, or 'tiles'. It's all the same, except the end result for a level maker is considered a level, or what i like to call 'series of graphics in certain places'. It all comes down to what you break down the level to be.
level = 64x64 tiles(?), tiles = 16x16 pixels, pixel = graphical unit. heh so a level maker is actually a graphics assembler ^.^

Exactly my way of thinking. Level makers don't need much skill our precision; the resolution they work with is 16 times larger then a graphics artist! If you can make nice graphics, you can make nice levels as good if not better then the best level maker.

In addition, a graphics maker can make new tiles which flow nicer or look nicer all together....making a nicer level. You just can't argue with this. People who make levels and cannot make graphics...yes, I say it is utter nonsense. To disrespect intended.

[Lord Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

3d design surely goes under the topic of graphic design. In the end, "level" design is utter nonsense. Hopefully levelmakers won't read my post, so no harm done, but making a level is extremely simple and pales in comparisn to graphics. And 3d design is even harder then normal 2d design; you must make an image in 2d of great quality and convert it to 3d.

Not exactly true. I agree with Moonie on this one, its easy to make a simple level, a good level takes time and practice, OH WHAT A SURPRISE SO DOES GRAPHICS.
Which is also not exactly true is that levels "pale in comparisn" to graphics. Anyone can make a graphic, whether it's good or not is up to the decent Graphics Designer, just like levels. You can make it, whether its good or not is up to the decent Levels Designers. Try not to put so much bias into this thread.

And yeah, for some people it is harder to make good graphics, some people. But to put emphasis on "Utter Nonsence" is just plain rediculous.

[Kaimetsu]

Soul-Blade: Would you also say that real-world architecture and landscape modelling are no different to 2D pixel art?

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Soul-Blade: Would you also say that real-world architecture and landscape modelling are no different to 2D pixel art?

I'm not sure why you mention this, I don't see any reference to such a incredible circumstance.

Dude, I've been doing computer graphics for about 4 years, and I still can't say I'm very good. I did levels for about a month, and I don't mean to boast - but I was doing pretty good.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

I'm not sure why you mention this, I don't see any reference to such a incredible circumstance

"Circumstance"? I don't know what you're talking about. Also, it is not necessary for you to know why I do the things I do.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

"Circumstance"? I don't know what you're talking about. Also, it is not necessary for you to know why I do the things I do.

Why do you say he may compare architecture with 2D design?

[Redwizard]

may be he is referring to that 2D and 3D differences is being discussed? so clue

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Why do you say he may compare architecture with 2D design?

If he answers, you may find out.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Soul-Blade: Would you also say that real-world architecture and landscape modelling are no different to 2D pixel art?

Hmm. Yes. They are very different. Here is the way I look at this after thinking about it: One is a collection of a lines, the other pixels. Pixels do make up a line, but lines do not make up pixel art. Dunno if that makes sense.

Also, architecture is a hand drawn and done with a variety of tools and rulers. I think the pixel art comparison is a little dumb =/.