New World? - Page 2

Blue_Dragn · #1 12-30-2003, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by protagonist
Exciting!

Fun too! Expecially if we can get people who will be serouse

protagonist · #2 12-30-2003, 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by Blue_Dragn

Fun too! Expecially if we can get people who will be serouse

Yes, I will definately be watching the server when it goes up.

Spark910 · #3 12-30-2003, 12:25 AM

If you do wish to bring it back read the document and make it as much as it was supposed to be as possible.

--Chris-- · #4 12-30-2003, 12:46 AM

I got _all_ the files and happen to know someone else that does also ;p

tlf288 · #5 12-30-2003, 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by --Chris--
I got _all_ the files

i do too.

Spark910 · #6 12-30-2003, 12:54 AM

So does my aunt (she has my old computer)

Blue_Dragn · #7 12-30-2003, 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910
If you do wish to bring it back read the document and make it as much as it was supposed to be as possible.

i had old documentation but my computer died, and so did everything on it

XJOKERX · #8 12-30-2003, 01:25 AM

Well once we get the document we will follow it.

Blue_Dragn · #9 12-30-2003, 01:41 AM

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Originally posted by XJOKERX
Well once we get the document we will follow it.

Yep

Crono · #10 12-30-2003, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by thrashsoul
Well its like a broken record, we have the graphics, but we dont have the scripts or the storyline. I think we have decided like a mid age server 1700's

I think you should set that date back, else you would have SOME kinds of guns and that time period is too close to the industrial age..if thats what you want then go for it but the whole "work on a server to get money and items" thing is getting old

I wouldn't mind HELPING with levels but being an official staffer isn't what i want. :[

Androk · #11 12-30-2003, 01:57 AM

Nothing should be done with New World. None of the files should be released either. You have no right to take something that was going to be great and slap your names on it. Besides NONE of the people that volonteered have the vision and the capability to produce anyththing close in quality to New World.

It always hits me as odd when people attempt to revive old playerworlds, just seems like a way of becoming famous or something with alot less work involved.

If you release the files of New World you will automatically create same thing as what happened when Graal 2001 files were released, a whole bunch of PWs that'll pretend to be the ones who came up with ideas for everything will just take scripts/gfxs and put them online and thus get their playercount up.

What you are doing is morally wrong, it's sort of like diging up the grave, taking out the corpse, attaching a few strings to it and pretending that you have a living thing on your hands, then talking for it, clothing it and living it's life. Stop being jackasses.

And is that guy already making plans as to what he is going to do? That's pathetic. I'll loose all hope in Graal if New World is ever revived (Unless it's by original team).

thrashsoul · #12 12-30-2003, 02:01 AM

Ill we have is one tileset , it was a good project that never got done. I dont like reviving old playerworlds, but this server had potential. I want it to look good and really show what graal should be.

Blue_Dragn · #13 12-30-2003, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by Androk
Nothing should be done with New World. None of the files should be released either. You have no right to take something that was going to be great and slap your names on it. Besides NONE of the people that volonteered have the vision and the capability to produce anyththing close in quality to New World.

It always hits me as odd when people attempt to revive old playerworlds, just seems like a way of becoming famous or something with alot less work involved.

If you release the files of New World you will automatically create same thing as what happened when Graal 2001 files were released, a whole bunch of PWs that'll pretend to be the ones who came up with ideas for everything will just take scripts/gfxs and put them online and thus get their playercount up.

What you are doing is morally wrong, it's sort of like diging up the grave, taking out the corpse, attaching a few strings to it and pretending that you have a living thing on your hands, then talking for it, clothing it and living it's life. Stop being jackasses.

Neworld had potiental but it was never finished, you cannot sit there and say that we may not be able to do anything with it.

Unixmad has already expressed at least some that he dosent want it all to be wasted or kept on the bench.

Python523 · #14 12-30-2003, 02:01 AM

None of the old staff want it revived, let it die, stop trying to look cool by trying to use the name

Androk · #15 12-30-2003, 02:07 AM

Wasn't unixmad the one who shut it down in the first place? I remember Kyle complaining about the fact that their server was removed.

PS: I have lost all hope in Graal after reading all of this thread, and those of you who are attempting to revive it are a bunch of nubs who just want to get a name so **** you all.

Python523 · #16 12-30-2003, 02:08 AM

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You people are PATHETIC if you think you can all of a sudden 'revive' such a wonderful server. It took them MONTHS to come up with just CONCEPTS of things, you are all off a sudden trying to revive such an in-depth project? HAH. Have fun failing. It's a shame to revive such a project when you don't even have standards even as close as they were on the original project for staff.

Androk · #17 12-30-2003, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by Python523
Side Note:

You people are PATHETIC if you think you can all of a sudden 'revive' such a wonderful server. It took them MONTHS to come up with just CONCEPTS of things, you are all off a sudden trying to revive such an in-depth project? HAH. Have fun failing. It's a shame to revive such a project when you don't even have standards even as close as they were on the original project for staff.

Bah, what pisses me off the most is that if they release ANYTHING they'll just ruin New Worlds name! Heck I know nothing about it, yet I do realise how thought through it was, and how much work it took to make what was already made.

Python523 · #18 12-30-2003, 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by Androk

Bah, what pisses me off the most is that if they release ANYTHING they'll just ruin New Worlds name! Heck I know nothing about it, yet I do realise how thought through it was, and how much work it took to make what was already made.

At least the best parts were never released or leaked, after the dserver's computer that was hosted by stefan/unix got messed up new_gut and others made even better things than what was leaked.

This thread has seriously pissed me off, the project is D E A D, let it REST, don't ruin it's name people... please

if any of you are decent and intelligent enough to think this through you'll realize it's the right thing to do

tlf288 · #19 12-30-2003, 02:15 AM

you guys left me hangin' for a bit but i knew the smart people were out there somewhere.

<3 for androk and jagen!

Androk · #20 12-30-2003, 02:18 AM

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Originally posted by Blue_Dragn
Unixmad has already expressed at least some that he dosent want it all to be wasted or kept on the bench.

Bah we all know Graal Online has become nothing more then harlot, selling anything assosiated with it, having no respect for players or developers, only craving money. Makes me so freaking mad.

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Bah, I mean seriusly if I and Kyden ever dump Hartland I am sure niether of us would want someone else to keep making it, because nobody really knows what it's all about. And with the way things to be now, the content that we have slaved to make can be distributed to any beggar that doesn't want to do anything.

Thought · #21 12-30-2003, 02:39 AM

My thoughts:

If it absolutely HAS to be revived/used, make it public, so any server can use it. One server hoarding this work of many, many people is not right. All for all or all for none.

Androk · #22 12-30-2003, 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by Thought
My thoughts:

If it absolutely HAS to be revived/used, make it public, so any server can use it. One server hoarding this work of many, many people is not right. All for all or all for none.

How about no? Sheesh, let's make graal even more monotone and suck as much originality from worlds as we can!

Thought · #23 12-30-2003, 03:10 AM

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How about no? Sheesh, let's make graal even more monotone and suck as much originality from worlds as we can!

Or we can disallow people from using something great for something crappy! Like how I want this to be.

Judge_S · #24 12-30-2003, 04:59 AM

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Originally posted by thrashsoul
Guys, would anyone want to revive New World?
If we got a big enough team I bet we could do it.

No

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Originally posted by thrashsoul
Well its like a broken record, we have the graphics, but we dont have the scripts or the storyline. I think we have decided like a mid age server 1700's, It would be great with those characters.
Im sorta using their tileset with tiles i have made myself. If we get some more levels and scripters we will be good.

How dare you throw some ragtag thought a dog mauled and have the gaal to slap the name New World on it? If you're going to do the unthinkable and revive something like this, don't have the audacity to totally rewrite what New World was.

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Originally posted by Python523
None of the old staff want it revived, let it die, stop trying to look cool by trying to use the name

Exactly. Why not just redo Tempest of Time, or Krynn, or Murasamune, or any of the other stopped projects? Honestly, leave it alone. It's part of Graal's past, and should remain that way.

protagonist · #25 12-30-2003, 05:16 AM

Hey, guys, what if it worked?

Judge_S · #26 12-30-2003, 05:19 AM

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Originally posted by protagonist
Hey, guys, what if it worked?

It can't. It won't. You can not redo what New World was. It was more than some snazzy levels and NPCs. It's not possible to continute from what was left off. The people who made New World what it was are no longer here, and you can not duplicate that.

The team that started the project is gone, and left their work hoping it wouldn't be dragged around like some chew-toy. Don't let it be.

Johnny_5 · #27 12-30-2003, 05:20 AM

I heard their continuing the project, just not with graalonline.

Judge_S · #28 12-30-2003, 05:21 AM

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I heard their continuing the project, just not with graalonline.

Yes and no. But that isn't the point. We're talking about what was made with the Graal client, not with what's being done elsewhere.

adam · #29 12-30-2003, 05:29 AM

Let it die.

It was great while it lasted,

But it is no more.

Hey, Shifting Ages and Marusamune were never finished.

I think I'll just take all the old content and use it.

Judge_S · #30 12-30-2003, 05:57 AM

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Hey, Shifting Ages and Marusamune were never finished.
I think I'll just take all the old content and use it.

Exactly my point. If something has been ended, there is no right to bring it back.
Also, I was told this by one of the higher-ups when I presented him with this thread:
"Long time has passed since NewWorld parted from Graal.
Graal NewWorld is dead because of an abrupt and unexpected loss of the servers devoted to NewWorld. Due to this loss, communication was severed, and the project was brought crashing down. However, those involved agreed not to continue on the project.
If you wish to truly create something as great as NewWorld please construct you own material. Thank you and I trust that you will not steal others aspiration."
This is directly from the most recent project coordinator.

davidpsy · #31 12-30-2003, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by protagonist
Hey, guys, what if it worked?

Then all these guys will probably be shocked.

Angel · #32 12-30-2003, 06:14 AM

Someone give this guy a prize, He got it right on the money.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Judge_S
No