You Want Real Balance in the Kingdoms?

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Dark-Hashi


Did you happen to miss the *being childish* remark? I think so...

Since when did "being childish" mean that you could facts together (she believes they're sexist + she called them sexist) and call her a hypocrite, when these two statements are not only not contradictory, but are quite complimentary? The phrase "being childish" would imply that you would quibble over something small or unimportant; it would not imply that you are making logical errors.

[Dark-Hashi]

Originally posted by Tseng


Since when did "being childish" mean that you could facts together (she believes they're sexist + she called them sexist) and call her a hypocrite, when these two statements are not only not contradictory, but are quite complimentary? The phrase "being childish" would imply that you would quibble over something small or unimportant; it would not imply that you are making logical errors.

Woah get off whatever you're taking o.O I was (let me spell this one out for you) J O K I N G < Joking... o.o wait let me say again... joking okay? o.o you really need to loosen up hehehe

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Dark-Hashi


Well if Stefan actually allowed it... you get what I am saying though, They can become in power just like men can

Yesss, if Stefan allowed an all-female kingdom after not allowing more regular kingdoms, that shows that they can acquire power just like men can. :o

[Dark-Hashi]

Originally posted by Tseng


Yesss, if Stefan allowed an all-female kingdom after not allowing more regular kingdoms, that shows that they can acquire power just like men can. :o

No they were totaly different comments, I was saying if stefan allowed women to become king.... sorry if you misunderstood

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Dark-Hashi

I was (let me spell this one out for you) J O K I N G < Joking... o.o wait let me say again... joking okay? o.o you really need to loosen up hehehe

Not very effectively.

Originally posted by Dark-Hashi

No they were totaly different comments, I was saying if stefan allowed women to become king.... sorry if you misunderstood

There was a time Stefan didn't? o.O;

[Dark-Hashi]

Originally posted by Tseng


Not very effectively.

Jokes don't need to be affective, and umm I think you are looking into this a little too far o.o not everything is deeper than you think... lol my brain for instance XD!

[Dark-Hashi]

Originally posted by Tseng


There was a time Stefan didn't? o.O;

I don't know, There doesn't seem to be any female kings... that would mean 1 stefan didn't allow or 2 females never tryed, or did and didn't want it bad enough

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Dark-Hashi

I don't know, There doesn't seem to be any female kings... that would mean 1 stefan didn't allow or 2 females never tryed, or did and didn't want it bad enough

Or 3, circumstances have not enabled them to do so.

Lyndzey used to lead Samurai some time ago, for example; so that shows that both they have tried, and stefan has allowed it. I would tend to stick with circumstances making it difficult for them to do so.

[Dark-Hashi]

Originally posted by Tseng


Or 3, circumstances have not enabled them to do so.

Lyndzey used to lead Samurai some time ago, for example; so that shows that both they have tried, and stefan has allowed it. I would tend to stick with circumstances making it difficult for them to do so.

It is just as hard for me or anyother male like me to become king, just like all females, some have it some don't... (people that is)

[ariella]

Most RPing kingdoms do operate that way ("man's world"). However, you say they will be on fair ground - I disagree. There will always be thick-headed people who wouldn't even consider the idea, or who would simply remain sexist. I'm sure, if this passed, there are those obscene people who would have a lot of bad things to say, and there would of course be players who would never think RPing with your kingdom could work; as they would consider it "weak" or some other random insult they throw out against people.

This is my point Tseng... Everthing you say here is true. But we deal with thick headed, obscene male players now, without a kingdom run by females. By being on fair ground I mean that we would be in a more authoritative possition to deal with it.

I know for a fact that several female players have left kingdoms and play on classic because of the sexual harrassment by male players. I almost left myself, but stuck it out. That was no easy task!

And Hashi the fact that a female player can achieve leadership (just like a male player) is JUST NOT TRUE! It sounds good in theory and all, but the reality is that IT DOESNT HAPPEN!

For example as far as me being Queen and taking over Zen's leadership if he ever decided to step down. It wouldnt happen. The chancellor would automatically take over.... and we just named a new chancellor, and I had not even been considered for the position. I'm not challenging Zen's decission, and he chose a good member to take on that role... but my point again it was never even considered, not even mentioned as a possibility. So in restrospect... what is my "real role" as Queen? After being in this position for several months I was finally granted "recruiting rights" But I am not granted "removal" rights. I cannot make any decissions when our leader is not present, yet others can.

Don't get me wrong, I am a member of Zormite and I am loyal to my RP husband...again i am just stating the facts.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by ariella


This is my point Tseng... Everthing you say here is true. But we deal with thick headed, obscene now. By being on fair ground I mean that we would be in a more authoritative possition to deal with it.

I know for a fact that several female players have left kingdoms and play in classic because of the sexual harrassment by male players. I almost left myself, but stuck it out. That was no easy task!

Perhaps this problem should be more directly dealt with, instead of dealing with offshoots of it. Last I knew sexual harrassment was a violation of the code of conduct and could result in an immediate ban.

[Dark-Hashi]

Originally posted by ariella


And Hashi the fact that a female player can achieve leadership (just like a male player) is JUST NOT TRUE! It sounds good in theory and all, but the reality is that IT DOESNT HAPPEN!

For example as far as me being Queen and taking over Zen's leadership if he ever decided to step down. It wouldnt happen. The chancellor would automatically take over.... and we just name a new chancellor, and I had not even been considered for the position. I'm not challenging Zen's decission, and he chose a good member to take on that role... but my point again it was never even considered, not even mentioned as a possibility. So in restrospect... what is my "real role" as Queen? After being in this position for several months I was finally granted "recruiting rights" But I am not granted "removal" rights. I cannot make any decissions when our leader is not present, yet others can.

Don't get me wrong, I am a member of Zormite and I am loyal to my RP husband...again i am just stating the facts.

Zens Desicion as king to let the chancellor take over is his choice, It means that Zen either doesn't trust you or is sexist, I know that if I were a king I would let the queen take over if anything was to happen to me, its own individuals NOT the whole graal body making the kingdoms 'male controlled' So you beleive what you want to and I will know the facts =\ I agree some people *cough vahn cough* can have no respect for others (also dendori?) , But what you are saying comes down to the current kings desicion, so then its Zens fault you are saying....? chris's fault? I'd like to hear you're reason for this...

[Amoun]

I vote yes cuz i respect women, and am a gentlemen (well sort've o.0 on the gentlemen part...a certain few know why im not to them) I'm all for womens rights and a island full of Girls not meant in a sexual manor, but if it doesn't work out, hey we all learn a lesson, and if it does, same thing. The only thing i wouldn't like is all the girls leave our current kingdoms :*(
*edit* because what girl wouldn't want to leave sexual/verbal harassment for peace and tranquility in a womens kingdom? :/

[ariella]

Perhaps this problem should be more directly dealt with, instead of dealing with offshoots of it. Last I knew sexual harrassment was a violation of the code of conduct and could result in an immediate ban.

Again Tseng you are correct, but as I stated earlier, a rule is only as effective as its enforcement. If you search this forum for "sexual harrassment" you'll see that it has been stated that the problem is huge, and grows. However it's being dealt with now, doesnt seem to be working. The idea of a New Kingdom run by female players is just another idea on how to address the problem.

Maybe it's time that a "feminest movement" (from an RP standpoint) is activated as one way to defeat, or at least alter the effects of the problem stemming from the "its a man's World" attitude of kingdoms.

And maybe males can join the kingdom but have to be willing to uphold the laws that govern the "feminst objective" and that is "to enforce the value and respect of female players.

[grim2002]

Um, Ariella. Isn't that being extremely sexist to males? I mean as far as I'm aware every kingdom has females in it, so not allowing guys to enter an 'all-female' setup would be very hypocritical. Even if males were allowed to join they have to uphold some feminist view? I really think you're taking a personal situation about not ruling Zormite out of all context. I'm a female and have never received crude sexual harassment on kingdoms at all, I've only seen ignorance and arrogant conversations between players over mindless issues *cough* vahn *cough* So to be honest as I first mentioned the idea of a feminist kingdom is wrong, if it goes ahead would it be wrong for males to set up a kingdom against girls on the basis of an arguement over who got to be king in zormite? The answer should be no but somehow males do seem to be punished due to a few idiots.