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Old 08-13-2002, 12:29 AM
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I the only one who sees it as a tragic waste that the only way we can do what we need to is to add a whole new layer of player-scripted code on top of Stefan's original code? I mean, in order to make a truly good world, you have to script custom movement, custom damage, custom inventory, custom map, custom baddies, custom arrows....if you want something to work right, you have to replace it yourself. Seems wasteful.
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Old 08-13-2002, 12:47 AM
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I the only one who sees it as a tragic waste that the only way we can do what we need to is to add a whole new layer of player-scripted code on top of Stefan's original code? I mean, in order to make a truly good world, you have to script custom movement, custom damage, custom inventory, custom map, custom baddies, custom arrows....if you want something to work right, you have to replace it yourself. Seems wasteful.
Graal's more of a toolkit to me now, a foundation for making game stuff. Personally, I want more of Graal's features to be overridable.
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Old 08-13-2002, 02:15 AM
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Indeed. Aren't you even using disabledefmovement, Yoshi?
Heh, no I don't need or want to do that. While yes, I do have custom player graphics and animation, I don't see or feel the need to create custom player movement controls. I already have a basic replacement for Graal's default message windows. I suppose any that are in areas where I will allow weapons to be used won't lock the player until the message is finished.

It shouldn't be too hard to spot...right there in the bottom-right corner
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Old 08-13-2002, 02:16 AM
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Graal's more of a toolkit to me now, a foundation for making game stuff. Personally, I want more of Graal's features to be overridable.
I second that!
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Old 08-13-2002, 05:27 AM
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Heh, no I don't need or want to do that. While yes, I do have custom player graphics and animation, I don't see or feel the need to create custom player movement controls. I already have a basic replacement for Graal's default message windows. I suppose any that are in areas where I will allow weapons to be used won't lock the player until the message is finished.

It shouldn't be too hard to spot...right there in the bottom-right corner
The box is very nice. It reminds me of FF7.

But really, you should think about rescripting movement. It's essential if you wanna customise your world to any great degree.
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Old 08-13-2002, 07:20 AM
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The box is very nice. It reminds me of FF7.

But really, you should think about rescripting movement. It's essential if you wanna customise your world to any great degree.
Again, that depends upon whether or not I truly need to do that :/

Oh, and thank you for your comment on the dialogue box I'll probably change it so that it matches the rest of the status display
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Old 08-13-2002, 07:47 AM
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Yo, that screenshot is cool. I like the feel of the GUI and stuff. Although I think you should make some way to hide or minimize it, because that is taking up a WHOLE lot of room.
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Old 08-13-2002, 08:09 AM
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Graal's more of a toolkit to me now, a foundation for making game stuff. Personally, I want more of Graal's features to be overridable.
Seems that in such situations, Graal's gonna waste a lot of cycles on default behaviour that never takes place. It reads in a keypress, stops the default movement, runs your custom movement, and looks for the next key...hardly ideal.
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Old 08-13-2002, 08:19 AM
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Yo, that screenshot is cool. I like the feel of the GUI and stuff. Although I think you should make some way to hide or minimize it, because that is taking up a WHOLE lot of room.
heh, I know...I plan to do a little something to take care of it but otherwise, I like it how it is now If you have a good computer, fullscreen is best
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Old 08-13-2002, 10:23 PM
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Seems that in such situations, Graal's gonna waste a lot of cycles on default behaviour that never takes place. It reads in a keypress, stops the default movement, runs your custom movement, and looks for the next key...hardly ideal.
However: Modern computers are more than fast enough to handle it.
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Old 08-13-2002, 10:27 PM
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Old 08-14-2002, 07:02 AM
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However: Modern computers are more than fast enough to handle it.
Bleh. By that rationalle it's perfectly reasonable to code a pathfinder that operates in n^4 time, because ram's cheap and it's only a matter of time before computers become fast enough that the difference is undetectable.

If Graal won't allow direct overriding of the underlying code, the underlying code should be removable, not just patchable...
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Old 08-14-2002, 07:52 AM
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Wasn't the Yoshi head removed?
That doesn't mean I can't have it for personal use
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Old 08-14-2002, 07:56 AM
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Bleh. By that rationalle it's perfectly reasonable to code a pathfinder that operates in n^4 time, because ram's cheap and it's only a matter of time before computers become fast enough that the difference is undetectable.

If Graal won't allow direct overriding of the underlying code, the underlying code should be removable, not just patchable...
That might make Graal more vulnerable to hacks and what not...but that would be dependant upon how well Stefan can code it to work and be safe for use online....it would be a shame if someone had overidden the defaults only for it to be hacked around with a lame trainer or something similar.
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Old 08-14-2002, 09:15 AM
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That doesn't mean I can't have it for personal use
yes it does.
When it's removed, it's removed.
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