Umm Prices?

[Hero_McDohl]

Unixmad, heres another idea. Instead of it tallying up the hours we arent online as our paid hours, let our online hours be our paid time...I'd gladly pay for a year for those prices if we had to spend a year online for the payment to be on, but instead out of that year our online time equals up to roughly lower than a month. (unless they are like me, and spend 6-8 hours online a day )


Edit: Btw, this game costs 40 dollars, and has hardly any content on 2001 even though its been a whole year. RuneScape and Dransik cost 60 a year, and have tons of stuff and a rpg system, not run around and get 5 hearts and then stay rest of the time getting money for hats and bomies. 20 dollars more and we get what we get on graal x 100(0?).

[cross_hair]

thats um 38 euro or whatever


Nø

[Boozy_Bravo]

Originally posted by Hero_McDohl
Unixmad, heres another idea. Instead of it tallying up the hours we arent online as our paid hours, let our online hours be our paid time...I'd gladly pay for a year for those prices if we had to spend a year online for the payment to be on, but instead out of that year our online time equals up to roughly lower than a month. (unless they are like me, and spend 6-8 hours online a day )

That would never work.
That's 8,760 hours of playing time.
Say you're online 8 hours a day, then even being on that much it would still take you 1,095 days for your account to run out.

[AlkarenHyralt]

Originally posted by unixmad
You say that it will be better to buy a cdrom for this price ? When you buy a game on a cdrom you play how many hours with it ? 5, 10 perhaps 20 hours !

Compare whith graal where you play 3 hours/day it mean you play minimum 40 hours/ months (400 hours/year) and you don't want to pay 40$ for a game where you put 100X more of your time than on the Cdrom.

When you pay for graal you support a small team of guys that try to make your time more fun, when you pay for cdrom it mostly go on the pocket of very big company like Microsoft that really don't mind about you, they just think that if they do good graphics and a good marketing you will be stupid enough to buy the product and put on bench after a few hours.

Have you been practicing your english unixmad? hehehe


I understand what you mean...more of, what you are saying. I don't believe a raise of ten dollars across the boards was an answer though

[Slaktmaster]

Originally posted by IceHawk
I will probably not re-upgrade.

[unixmad]

I am 36 year old now, then very hard for a old guy like me to learn English now - But I will be please to learn if you correct me when I do mistakes

And what's about your learning of French ? hehe.

Unix.

Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt


Have you been practicing your english unixmad? hehehe


I understand what you mean...more of, what you are saying. I don't believe a raise of ten dollars across the boards was an answer though

[Hero_McDohl]

Originally posted by Boozy_Bravo

That would never work.
That's 8,760 hours of playing time.
Say you're online 8 hours a day, then even being on that much it would still take you 1,095 days for your account to run out.

But that allows them to make the prices higher and us upgrade less... im tired of the p2p games doing "Your time is running even though you arent on"...

[nyghtGT]

A lot of me buddies quit because of the
ghost mode changes. And now with the
upgraded accounts prices, I dont think i'll
be upgrading again ...

[ArchOwl]

Originally posted by unixmad
You say that it will be better to buy a cdrom for this price ? When you buy a game on a cdrom you play how many hours with it ? 5, 10 perhaps 20 hours !

Compare whith graal where you play 3 hours/day it mean you play minimum 40 hours/ months (400 hours/year) and you don't want to pay 40$ for a game where you put 100X more of your time than on the Cdrom.

When you pay for graal you support a small team of guys that try to make your time more fun, when you pay for cdrom it mostly go on the pocket of very big company like Microsoft that really don't mind about you, they just think that if they do good graphics and a good marketing you will be stupid enough to buy the product and put on bench after a few hours.

Very well said.
And I find it pretty mean how they critisize you about your english, heck most of us dont know french, so the people that insult your english without knowing french are pretty much hypocrites

[AlkarenHyralt]

Originally posted by unixmad
I am 36 year old now, then very hard for a old guy like me to learn English now - But I will be please to learn if you correct me when I do mistakes

And what's about your learning of French ? hehe.

Unix.

I am just joking with you.

But if you really want to know when you make mistakes. You first sentence would correctly be written as:

I am 36 years old now, and it is very hard for an old guy like me to learn english now.




Your english has gotten better though, I think. It's a lot easier to read your very few posts that you make now.

[AlkarenHyralt]

Originally posted by ArchOwl


Very well said.
And I find it pretty mean how they critisize you about your english, heck most of us dont know french, so the people that insult your english without knowing french are pretty much hypocrites

I do so only in good humor. I would stop if it was bothering him.

Arg, this 60 second post limit is annoying

[nyghtGT]

Originally posted by unixmad
I am 36 year old now, then very hard for a old guy like me to learn English now - But I will be please to learn if you correct me when I do mistakes

And what's about your learning of French ? hehe.

Unix.

Whoa, my dad is 36 too !!! So can I own
Graal ?

[unixmad]

We will propose on a near future a pay by phone system, but you will discover that it will cost you lot more than a yearly fee, imagine you or your parents receive a bill of 100$ because you have been online a lot... Mostly you or your parents will decide that you must stop playing Graal, what we really don't want to.

The price for 1 year is very attractive because we want to have a long relationship with players, it really support us to continue developing Graal when we see group of players still supporting us after months of play.

We known that graal2001 start to be a bit old, but graal2002 is coming soon and it will not be a copy of graal2001 with new graphics but a new game with a lot of features (advanced pet system, kingdoms, role playing, monsters ...), and you will not have to pay anything more to play it.


Unix.

Originally posted by Hero_McDohl


But that allows them to make the prices higher and us upgrade less... im tired of the p2p games doing "Your time is running even though you arent on"...

[Hero_McDohl]

If we arent having to pay more to play 2002 why the sudden price going up?

[Birdbird_0]

I don't see a problem with the new price changes, Though an ingame voice chat system and more advanced chat interface could be a lot better

[nyghtGT]

Originally posted by unixmad
We will propose on a near future a pay by phone system, but you will discover that it will cost you lot more than a yearly fee, imagine you or your parents receive a bill of 100$ because you have been online a lot... Mostly you or your parents will decide that you must stop playing Graal, what we really don't want to.

The price for 1 year is very attractive because we want to have a long relationship with players, it really support us to continue developing Graal when we see group of players still supporting us after months of play.

We known that graal2001 start to be a bit old, but graal2002 is coming soon and it will not be a copy of graal2001 with new graphics but a new game with a lot of features (advanced pet system, kingdoms, role playing, monsters ...), and you will not have to pay anything more to play it.


Unix.

If you changed it to like 3 or 4 U.S.
dollars monthly, then I could get by
with sneaking a monthly $3-4 charge
off my dads credit card without him
noticing....

[ArchOwl]

Originally posted by unixmad
We will propose on a near future a pay by phone system, but you will discover that it will cost you lot more than a yearly fee, imagine you or your parents receive a bill of 100$ because you have been online a lot... Mostly you or your parents will decide that you must stop playing Graal, what we really don't want to.

The price for 1 year is very attractive because we want to have a long relationship with players, it really support us to continue developing Graal when we see group of players still supporting us after months of play.

We known that graal2001 start to be a bit old, but graal2002 is coming soon and it will not be a copy of graal2001 with new graphics but a new game with a lot of features (advanced pet system, kingdoms, role playing, monsters ...), and you will not have to pay anything more to play it.


Unix.

I hope it stays on a 1 year basis

[Hero_McDohl]

Originally posted by Birdbird_0
Though an ingame voice chat system

Are you sure you want to hear alot of 13 year old squeaky voices?...

[AlkarenHyralt]

Originally posted by unixmad
We will propose on a near future a pay by phone system, but you will discover that it will cost you lot more than a yearly fee, imagine you or your parents receive a bill of 100$ because you have been online a lot... Mostly you or your parents will decide that you must stop playing Graal, what we really don't want to.

The price for 1 year is very attractive because we want to have a long relationship with players, it really support us to continue developing Graal when we see group of players still supporting us after months of play.

We known that graal2001 start to be a bit old, but graal2002 is coming soon and it will not be a copy of graal2001 with new graphics but a new game with a lot of features (advanced pet system, kingdoms, role playing, monsters ...), and you will not have to pay anything more to play it.


Unix.

Hehehe. "The price for 1 year is very attractive" sounds extremely funny unixmad. Sorry, I must be hanging out on the forums for too long .

Well, since you are reading this thread, and posting replies I was wondering if you could remove that snow flak script from the Graal 2001 website, as it is not the holiday season anymore, and it takes a lot of time to load the main website (graal2001.com) on my connection. (And I replied to that forum pm)

[ArchOwl]

Originally posted by Birdbird_0
I don't see a problem with the new price changes, Though an ingame voice chat system and more advanced chat interface could be a lot better

scratch voice chat
look at alien front online
tons of people cybering
mass messages in voice chat
eeeeewwwwwww

and not only that but some people would put on stupid songs on mass messages

[unixmad]

Haven't you notice that all company raise there prices in January ? Each year prices go up and if you don't raise your prices you loose money.

We have announced that we will raise the prices in November, then players had 2 months to upgrade with old prices.

Unix.

Originally posted by Hero_McDohl
If we arent having to pay more to play 2002 why the sudden price going up?

[nyghtGT]

Originally posted by Hero_McDohl


Are you sure you want to hear alot of 13 year old squeaky voices?...

Peter Brady ... lelz ...

[nyghtGT]

Originally posted by unixmad
Haven't you notice that all company raise there prices in January ? Each year prices go up and if you don't raise your prices you loose money.

We have announced that we will raise the prices in November, then players hard to months to upgrade with old prices.

Unix.

See the plan I saw Graal doing was being
like the PSX and costing like $150 when it
came out, but after 2-3 years it hella cheaper ...

[Hero_McDohl]

Originally posted by unixmad
Haven't you notice that all company raise there prices in January ? Each year prices go up and if you don't raise your prices you loose money.

We have announced that we will raise the prices in November, then players hard to months to upgrade with old prices.

Unix.

Actually no I havent...seems after Christmas most games go down in price (store bought ones, that is). And almost every online game keeps a set fee through its entire lifetime. Seems in 51 days my account expires...it took some convincing to get my mom to let me use her credit card and pay her the money for the 3 month thing, now that its gone up in price and she doesnt like me wasting money on online games I doubt I'll be able to reupgrade at these prices...oh well, anyone know any games in beta?

[nyghtGT]

Originally posted by Hero_McDohl



Actually no I havent...seems after Christmas most games go down in price (store bought ones, that is). And almost every online game keeps a set fee through its entire lifetime. Seems in 51 days my account expires...it took some convincing to get my mom to let me use her credit card and pay her the money for the 3 month thing, now that its gone up in price and she doesnt like me wasting money on online games I doubt I'll be able to reupgrade at these prices...oh well, anyone know any games in beta?

yea, the post-christmas sales ....

[AlkarenHyralt]

Originally posted by Hero_McDohl



Actually no I havent...seems after Christmas most games go down in price (store bought ones, that is). And almost every online game keeps a set fee through its entire lifetime. Seems in 51 days my account expires...it took some convincing to get my mom to let me use her credit card and pay her the money for the 3 month thing, now that its gone up in price and she doesnt like me wasting money on online games I doubt I'll be able to reupgrade at these prices...oh well, anyone know any games in beta?

That's for liquidation purposes though, which is completely different then what we are talking about here.

[Hero_McDohl]

liq...uid...ation...pur...po..ses? Explain...

[nyghtGT]

Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt


That's for liquidation purposes though, which is completely different then what we are talking about here.

Liquidations are mainly for buisnesses
going out of buisness ...

[Zelgadis_Geywords]

Unix is right about one thing: The price for Graal is fairly cheap, compared to a CD-ROM game. Given, it's about $54 dollars for Final Fantasy X, for example and you get only so much time before you reach the end. $40 for a game that can constantly be changed, and where you can take place in making your own world is pretty damn good.

[nyghtGT]

Originally posted by Zelgadis_Geywords
Unix is right about one thing: The price for Graal is fairly cheap, compared to a CD-ROM game. Given, it's about $54 dollars for Final Fantasy X, for example and you get only so much time before you reach the end. $40 for a game that can constantly be changed, and where you can take place in making your own world is pretty damn good.

I payed $9 for Chuck Yeagers Air Racing Extreme ...

[TrueHeaT]

Originally posted by joeycmoore


What happened to that 31 year account of yours?

Oh, it's around.

[TrueHeaT]

Originally posted by unixmad
You say that it will be better to buy a cdrom for this price ? When you buy a game on a cdrom you play how many hours with it ? 5, 10 perhaps 20 hours !

Compare whith graal where you play 3 hours/day it mean you play minimum 40 hours/ months (400 hours/year) and you don't want to pay 40$ for a game where you put 100X more of your time than on the Cdrom.

When you pay for graal you support a small team of guys that try to make your time more fun, when you pay for cdrom it mostly go on the pocket of very big company like Microsoft that really don't mind about you, they just think that if they do good graphics and a good marketing you will be stupid enough to buy the product and put on bench after a few hours.

Meh, good point. I've played Graal more than any other game probably.

[cds96]

Time to dig out cs again.

[Slaktmaster]

The reason I am probably not reupgrading is because of that they disabled PayBox and I refuse to you PayPal.

I can afford the money.

[Vyse_the_Blue_Rogue]

Yes, fix Paybox!

[konidias]

What some of you people don't realize is, sure you can go buy a game in the store for 30 dollars or less, it might have online mode, but I highly doubt it's a mmorpg.. They are more like "multiplayer-networked" then "online".

With Graal, you're basically paying for the service.. you get a full year of an online rpg, that changes, and grows. They listen to your input, you can help make the game, you can come online one day and there will be new things. You can't find that in an offline rpg game, or a networked game. Maybe patches and things, but basically the players run their own servers with those games. So it's costing the players to pay for the good connections so they can run their own servers, and then they aren't even as fast as they could be.

I have no problem with paying for Graal, I just wish there were things on Graal that would make me want to upgrade again.. because right now, 2k1 is crumbling apart, and the other p2p servers are all either UC or need to be removed since they are rebuilding everything over again when they just got online. *cough* Andor *cough*

So what exactly would I be upgrading my account for? I don't even play on and p2p servers barely now.. because there is nothing good at the moment. That is why I said it would have been better for them to change the prices AFTER they released 2k2 and new pw's. Then people would be like "my account is running out, but 2k2 is so fun, I guess I will upgrade" and not like "my account is running out, and 2k1 is boring and so are the other P2P servers, oh well I guess I won't upgrade".

Oh, and I applaud unixmad for his English improvements.

[ZanderX]

wow.

Go unixmad. For once, you have spoken the points that I have tried to say, and you said them as good, if not better than I!

[Slaktmaster]

Yes, I see Unixmad's point, and I want to reupgrade but I am not allowed because my mom refuses to register at PayPal. I want Paybocks back! (!!!) [!!!] {!!!}

[Admins]

Originally posted by Slaktmaster
Yes, I see Unixmad's point, and I want to reupgrade but I am not allowed because my mom refuses to register at PayPal. I want Paybocks back! (!!!) [!!!] {!!!}

Paybox is way to unsecure for us, they don't care about
credit card frauds

[ZanderX]

Originally posted by Slaktmaster
Yes, I see Unixmad's point, and I want to reupgrade but I am not allowed because my mom refuses to register at PayPal. I want Paybocks back! (!!!) [!!!] {!!!}

Paybocks is slow