The Era Problem

[Sinkler]

I definitely think we should not do this now, but I think we need to keep this in mind for when the playercount begins to decline (which I anticipate as the market becomes more and more saturated).

Thanks for a good discussion.

[Chorchizcool]

So the jist of this whole convo was

the majority do not want a reset, the most active players, the developers, and admins do not want a reset.

the minority does.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Chorchizcool

So the jist of this whole convo was

All I got was:
Gabriel didn't do **** when he had the chance to, and now he's trying to influence a form of control after we succeeded solely because he got out of our way.

The whole community (from froggy, to godzilla and beyond) came to the same conclusion on this thread, and I believe that's the first time ever; it's pretty simple honestly. All this discussion brought was more work and annoyance upon us active staff who have to deal with the player-base (because you were staff-massing it all night). Thanks for the 'help improving the server' m8.

[Kohola_KinG]

I think a lot of people are getting ahead of themselves. Is era excessively getting better? You have to seriously ask yourselves that question. Yes new content was added and it has increased activity however, does it ever last? No it doesn't.

We have all craved for a reset and the moment we get the opportunity we back away from it. Why? We have a chance for a fresh start, why not take it? We all know this wasn't a permanent fix! Do you think by giving people a lot of money and making a few changes by adding maps for gangs to fight in is worth more than having a reset and having the chance to put a lot of things right?

You're going to get so much more from a reset than doing what we are doing right now. With a reset we all get a fresh start.

- Raiding increases (It has to, people got kills and money to get)
- The trading market becomes a lot more interesting!!
- We will sustain a higher playercount for longer periods of time people need to stay online and work towards getting themselves back on their feet.
- Activity in events will triple because people need EC's. (This also gives us a chance to give EC items some value)
- Sparing increases.. People for sparing stats/all time champ/top 10 all time to work on
- It gives us a chance to make businesses NPC owned without upsetting any people!
- Making money systems will be used, we can introduce some new ones.
- Start adding some cool quests
- Gives everybody the chance to be on the same level to start and build their wealth

The list goes on!! And all of the above is what makes era!?

Also remember the most IMPORTANT thing here. These changes are tiptop for years the current alteration that you guys are now happy about only last weeks a month or two at the most. You see the scale here?

Resetting era has a lot more to offer than NOT resetting. I think a lot of people are scared of the word reset because they're now getting a lot of money from the recent changes and don't want to lose what they've never had before. I believe people are being selfish and do not want a reset because they will lose out on what they have rather on thinking what era will gain with a reset.

I have read through this thread and the reasons for not resetting just don't seem viable enough to me. You guys have entreat for a reset for years this is the perfect time to begin the progression. It looks like a step back to some people but this is two steps forward in my eyes. We have a "successful" manager so why not reset when we have good management and let's get the ball rolling here.

I am totally 110% for a reset. We have a massive opportunity here to do what we always wanted. We have a chance to increase everything that we all desire let's grab it while we have the chance.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

- Raiding increases (It has to, people got kills and money to get)
- The trading market becomes a lot more interesting!!
- We will sustain a higher playercount for longer periods of time people need to stay online and work towards getting themselves back on their feet.
- Activity in events will triple because people need EC's. (This also gives us a chance to give EC items some value)
- Sparing increases.. People for sparing stats/all time champ/top 10 all time to work on
- It gives us a chance to make businesses NPC owned without upsetting any people!
- Making money systems will be used, we can introduce some new ones.
- Start adding some cool quests

The list goes on!! And all of the above is what makes era!?

For how long though..? This isn't permanent either it's just another option; and the negatives outweigh the positive.. being that this is the only way we can effectively 'Kill' Era.

Will people really re-mine/pick/boquet their levels?
Will everyone try to get their HP levels back and deal with dying in 4 hits for an extended time? Or fighting the no-life guys who got navies when they login 2 weeks late?
The rich will stay rich; real-money potions will remain and the gap won't go away. It will only widen based on the activity of players and discourage those who can't dedicate 24/7 like they did years ago to earn their wealth.

Raiding will surely decrease until everyone achieves their current/relative level of wealth and items. I wouldn't raid until I had all my hot-keys filled; and that would never happen :c.
Event activity would behave similar to gang activity; most players can't dedicate the time... so their first X log-ins will be spent catching up.
We can make businesses NPC owned at any time; it takes the same amount of work with or without a owner present.
Trading will always be presistant; I honestly believe it would be reduced though because players won't have rares/special items/hats/etc. which are the main trading commodities. Guns are at a set price and their street-market is non-existant.
We can add quests now.
We're working on a new spar rating system now.

You gotta see both sides of the coin; our player base is finicky.

What I can agree with; and is the main point of a reset would be your last line:

- Gives everybody the chance to be on the same level to start and build their wealth

In theory -- yes, but I don't think it will. Already talked about potions/gelat items. But this isn't like a D2 ladder reset; we don't have every active player aware and able to login instantly and race toward the goal... it is sporadic/random activity and will ultimately result in the same issues we face now (unless we do a ton of huge updates prior, and I don't suppose You or Gabe would be creating them, but this still isn't guaranteed).

Overall; the idea is there... not denying that, I've advocated it in the past.
But the risk+work required doesn't equate to the reward when we're getting ~100 player count daily. It doesn't get much better than what we have now.

[Kohola_KinG]

Will people really re-mine/pick/boquet their levels?

Yes, they have to. Everything is up for grabs. If they don't they lose out and somebody else becomes more advanced than them.

Will everyone try to get their HP levels back and deal with dying in 4 hits for an extended time? Or fighting the no-life guys who got navies when they login 2 weeks late?

Yes. ^

Raiding will surely decrease until everyone achieves their current/relative level of wealth and items. I wouldn't raid until I had all my hot-keys filled; and that would never happen :c.

I disagree. I have started on era many times all over again with NOTHING. I worked my way back up many times and so has a lot of other people. Not to mention that i still don't have ever hotkey filled and i have the upgrade. All i have is one gun. Doesn't stop me raiding? Also without blowing my own trumpet i am very successful at it to.

Event activity would behave similar to gang activity; most players can't dedicate the time... so their first X log-ins will be spent catching up

So? At least the activity is still somewhere else on the server? people will be doing SOMETHING rather than sitting at unstick doing NOTHING.

~100 player count daily.

100 wouldn't be anywhere near the average of what we get on a daily basis. It would be around the 60-70 mark. We reach 100 the odd times but it never lasts NEVER.

I honestly believe a reset will increase eras activity than it currently is now. It gives us all something new to do, something to work on when we log on. We have OPTIONS of what we want to do the moment we log on. When you log on now we only have so many options. We got money, we got guns, we got everything. All we do is spar, event, raid log. You reset, that list expands.

@Booger, They will not quit though. They instantly think "i lose everything" "whats the point". The moment it resets and they see everybody in the same position it all starts to make sense. Era will become a goldmine, everything is up for grabs. All you have to do is go get it.

Everything becomes exciting, interesting.. It'll be like a whole new game.

[ooger]

Forcing a caste system onto a game just makes the same 70 people that were successful keep playing and all the nerd noobs either quit or just become complacent with being poor and last like 1 year or become of the elite (like michael7lmfao who scammed, usded, csted, and abused the power of his staff friends to get to the top)

'Market saturation' is a ****ing GOOD THING
it means we all have good guns so then the game can be about BALANCING not about NOLIFING
it's a game not a society we don't have to have poor people to have fun you brs.

[Chorchizcool]

And the idea of making money even EASIER to collect will just lead this game into a cycle of resets.

Ive made 2.2 million in 2 weeks of playing this game.

Now imagine, we buff the money making process some more as your point says,
which is one of your reasons why we reset because everyone has so much money.

Now with a even more buffed system, youre just leading a server into a cycle of resets with that mentality. Once the accumulated wealth of era gets to a point where "its too much like now" then your plan is to just keep resetting the server?


-december 25 2001 first graal account. one of Era's oldest oldbies.

[Chorchizcool]

What it really seems to me is people who dont play this server assume that its broken
and form opinions without actually puttin in the time to properly form them.

[ooger]

Originally Posted by Chorchizcool

What it really seems to me is people who dont play this server assume that its broken
and form opinions without actually puttin in the time to properly form them.

Pm if nob

[Chorchizcool]

if we reset because their is "too much money in the server" give it 4 weeks after a reset and there will be the EXACT same amount of money on the server. why?

because it is FOR A FACT extremely easy to make money on this game now, which is why our playercount rose.

were already at a balanced state since anyone can now afford the high tier guns with very little work.

the wealth gap is the same but instead of
noob 100k, rich guy 1 mill
its noob 1mill, rich guy 10mill

ill take a noob with 1 mill over a noob with 100k anyday.
and id rather not risk driving off players for a multitude of reasons just because the minority want a reset.

our current staff are doing a WONDERFUL JOB at making this game fun to play, including planning out constant releases to keep us wanting more. THE IDEA that people are going to get bored in a few months cuz we'll all be super rich and afford all the guns is illogical with the direction they are going towards which is NEW CONTENT ALL THE TIME.

[ooger]

Just did a mass message survey to get an idea of how many people would dip out if the server reset
~90 players online
~10 RCs
~20 afk/idling
so roughly 60 active players
over 20 told me they would quit if the server reset

I will not support a reset until you tell me how you're going to supplement the loss of those players or even how you're going to get new players at all.

[ooger]

You know when you ask people how they'll react then you tell them that's not how they're going to react that you have a very solid argument.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by ooger

You know when you ask people how they'll react then you tell them that's not how they're going to react that you have a very solid argument.

Please reword this. I can not quite make sense of it what you're trying to say.

[ooger]

I asked people what they would do if the server reset and they said they would quit. You say that they wouldn't. Who is the authority on their actions, you or them?

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by ooger

I asked people what they would do if the server reset and they said they would quit. You say that they wouldn't. Who is the authority on their actions, you or them?

Lol what. Did i say i do not allow them to quit? No i didn't. So this makes no sense whatsoever? I'm talking out of opinion context and you know i am. Quit being toxic and start making sense.

Nobody truly quits era. It's a community, friendships and a lot more. They hide behind the threat that they'll quit but they wont. They'll still play. We know this.

[Godzilla]

Nah, if this **** resets, you can global ban me, i'm not playing that new ****.

A reset literally will do nothing but damage the stability we have now, why kick the game while it is down?

We still have a LOT of things to get through before we should even CONSIDER resetting.

I feel like a reset should be for one thing; professionalism. We don't have that yet, nor have we sorted out every unprofessional looking thing on Era; Multiple GUIs, a billion chat commands, every scrub game that takes 10 minutes to make has the same qualities as Era, some probably better, start making this **** look like it actually has been around for 10 years.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

Nah, if this **** resets, you can global ban me, i'm not playing that new ****.

A reset literally will do nothing but damage the stability we have now, why kick the game while it is down?

We still have a LOT of things to get through before we should even CONSIDER resetting.

I feel like a reset should be for one thing; professionalism. We don't have that yet, nor have we sorted out every unprofessional looking thing on Era; Multiple GUIs, a billion chat commands, every scrub game that takes 10 minutes to make has the same qualities as Era, some probably better, start making this **** look like it actually has been around for 10 years.

Can you make a post without swearing every second? Since i've been back i have not seen you in any gang events nor raids. Actually maybe once or twice in raids but that's it. You hardly play as it is, so what is the huge problem here for you?

We should reset the server for professionalism? What? All the things you said can still be done after a reset? This is a 2D game you aren't going to get 1080p top end graphics. This game will always look like ****.

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Back to what i was saying earlier about it increasing activity.

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

I don't know where people get these facts from that resets would cause the playercount go down. In actuality playercount always goes UP when there is a reset. The reason for this is because new people from different servers would give the server a chance since everyone is on equal footing once again. Also, all the players would want to be the richest, own a business, have the best guns, be the best in general, and etc. Which also causes activity to rise. The saying that a reset would make the playercount drop, in my opinion, is a joke.

A guy who sees sense.

[Chorchizcool]

Reset FTL theres no need or want except by a select few.

The majority has spoken.

[Kohola_KinG]

It's hilarious it wasn't so long ago the same people begged for a reset. The moment we get a chance to do it they don't do it because of a few changes that some people like at the minute on era.

Era is still dying weather you like it or not. You can already see the decrease in raiding since it's been released.. Slowly but surely we will be back to the "we want a reset" times.

Over & out.

[Godzilla]

I'll try to be as blunt without using cuss words so that you can understand the seriousness that this post has.

A reset at the current point in time has more downs than ups. I don't see the reasoning in a reset, you act as if a reset will be the cure of all of our issues, a reset will put us in the same position we are in regardless, where is the "light at the end of the tunnel" that you speak of? I don't see it, nor does anyone else.

In all seriousness though, this thread is just plain dumb. I mean, no disrespect but you really need to play to understand that Era doesn't need a reset.

If you want to be the richest, you can literally mine for a total of 100 hours and become the richest in cash. If you mined for 100 hours before hand, you would have maybe scraped enough for an Mp5 Navy off the walls of the cave.

[BlueMelon]

Didn't read the whole read because of the lack of tldr; but I do not think a reset will solve any problems. Sure it will make it fun for a while, but without proper balancing and implementation of prices, systems and money sinks, I believe we will be back to the same point we are now in no time at all.

[Zongui]

Originally Posted by BlueMelon

Didn't read the whole read because of the lack of tldr; but I do not think a reset will solve any problems. Sure it will make it fun for a while, but without proper balancing and implementation of prices, systems and money sinks, I believe we will be back to the same point we are now in no time at all.

this x100. which is why I think it would be a waste of time.

[bradigger]

After reading the entire thread I have become rather neutral on the idea of a reset, however the idea that people are considering it and unsure makes me really nervous and reluctant to play. Are we gonna reset? Okay, I'll be ready. Are we not gonna reset? I'll keep doing what I'm doing. When it's still being discussed. I find myself idling and reading every PM or forum post trying to find out what's going to happen instead of actually playing the game.

If there's a reset (or if there isn't even), here are some changes I'd like.
>make it harder to get money
I hate the inflation that was caused by the buff to trash picking, and even worse, mining is still a terrible way to make money. With the work you go through mining, I think it should be the best at all times.
>remove gelat shop / pay to win stuff
I really hate that people are paying real life money for items. This was a bannable offense for years and years, now there are apparently exceptions to the rule. It only gets worse when you see people buying hundreds of potions to sell in the mall. The potions in general do nothing but bad things. You used to have to be smart about what you were carrying, get a house or locker to store stuff, work out at the gym so you can hold heavier stuff, etc. Now people just chug potions with side effects that are on par with cheating. Holding unlimited weight and sized items, moving at a static speed higher than average, mining significantly faster. It's horrible, and it ticks me off more than anything.
>event overhaul
I won't elaborate too much on this one. I just don't like how sloppy events are, or how sloppy they're hosted. I'd like everything to be handled by a bot. If all old/broken events were removed and/or converted to work with an event bot, that'd be great.
>housing
I want apartments and sewer houses gone and more houses on the overworld. I'd also like the option to submit edits to a house you own. I've been putting off buying a house since I last my last one due to hearing that you can't modify houses anymore.
>high tier guns
It really bugs me how so many guns are reskins of each other. I think some things should just be really good, and I think rich people should have an advantage The new Paratrooper is way too similar to SG552, SG552 is way too similar to Tommy Gun, and so on.
>player-owned businesses
Only mentioning this because some other people discussed removing them. I don't like this idea at all. I actually think player-owned businesses are working really well right now. Some changes that might be nice are the option of the owner to change how much they're selling certain items for, and alter the pay of their employees at will. If you buy the same ammo at Ammo Mart or Gun Point it costs the same. I don't see the point of both places selling it. PyroTech is great because all of its products are unique. The only reason someone would go to both AM and GP are because of tiny differences like what sort of grenades are being sold.

That's about all I have to say on the matter.

tl;dr I don't mind if we reset or if we don't, but I'd appreciate it if you guys came to a decision and announced whether or not we were going to reset so everyone would calm down.

[geneticfrog]

there is no reason to reset untill the core issues/ the foundation is stable. if you reset and it just reverts back to the old messed up game then there is no point.

I dont understand how its so hard to log items and keep track of current items / duplicated but then again im not sure how high up those admins abusing are.

you gotta manipulate the rich so the money they make directly helps the lower level players NOt causing a plutonomy. (rich taking over pawn shops offering better prices and also buying items at better prices then pawn)

since the only way to make good money is to "break trough the poor barrier" where you dont waste all the money on ammo and food and have enough to buy and sell good guns (some how get rich)

also the game is focused too much on "the next rare item" and that only caters to the rich people. money = gets the next op wep = wins events and gang wars and so on and so forth till one side gets all the OP players in the game and rich people and control era.

root cause:
1. rare op items only attainable with lots of money.
2. player controlled economy where rich players help the rich and dont benefit the poor AKA plutonomy or USA

if there was less focus on getting that next OP rare wep (never ending cycle) balance guns and base it more off skills again.

sure sell rare weapons but dont make them OP thats the key so even with a basic gun you can still compete just fine. basically you are selling new skins and sounds

[geneticfrog]

plutonomy example:
Appaloosa hedge fund a company of 23 people. according to forbes the manager (one dude) made 2.2 billion (2,200,000,000$) in 2012 not sure about the total profits. however it doesnt really matter.

what did their company actually contribute to others with the money they made off of USA? nothing they are just growing their money and sharing it among the close nit people then reinvesting to get more and horde more. basically buying and selling stocks/currencies and commodities.
(the above is the rich people on era not providing any service to others and ganging together for their greater gain eventually manipulating the economy only dealing in rares and OP weps and items)

apple in 2012 had a net profit of around 8.2 billion (the whole company). at the same time what did apple do for usa? in 2012 they reported over 600 000 jobs and they created all those products that help the lower income people. they provide services and products.
(above is players who act as human pawn shops selling and buying guns of all levels to benefit the new players to grow faster)

yet 99% dont even know what a hedge fund is and they are the richest people in the world and have no real impact on us other then inflation really. (banks also do this)

if the best guns are the rares and you can only get a certain amount + needs boat loads of money. if those people gang up how in the world is anyone supposed to compete and break that poor barrier?

[geneticfrog]

take away the OP weapons and money no longer provides "power" so they are forced into dealing all kinds of items.

rares should just be new skins and sounds but basically all the same stats amount. rifles are rifles no matter what the skin no need for OP weps.

[shrimps]

Did you know Apple also has the highest suicide rate, and their manufacturing buildings have nets around them to catch the people trying to jump off the buildings? I read that somewhere in a documentary a few years ago.

[geneticfrog]

Originally Posted by shrimps

Did you know Apple also has the highest suicide rate, and their manufacturing buildings have nets around them to catch the people trying to jump off the buildings? I read that somewhere in a documentary a few years ago.

consder 600 000 jobs at a population of 316.1 million USA apple itself employed 0.189% of the country safe to say 0.19%so yeah compared to others its no surprise its higher.

[shrimps]

Boom here's one, it's nuts.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...1-12-hour.html

[ooger]

Rare weapons aren't the best. I have cupid bow and ritual knife, both were only offered in stores during holiday events, and they're literally useless. Cupid bow is worse than Ice bow (5k) and ritual knife is easily the worst melee (worse than ****ing cattle prod)

I don't get why you also think that having the best guns makes you the best player. Ask anyone on the server if Tk was ever the best when he had the most money for a while and almost everyone will tell you he wasn't. Being able to get a gun that can compete with high guns is totally doable. I've seen so many guys (myself included) get absolutely trashed by someone using a sten/souizen/hk416 other <500k gun vs my honey badger (over 1 mil). It's really down to player skill now, since literally anyone can make enough for a sten/souizen in a week if they tried. Hell, the hk416 is only like 200k I could make that in one day if all I did was mine for 3 hours or trash pick/pk

[shrimps]

Yeah, but always bought the best guns and still sucked, so that doesn't really matter.

[Zongui]

yeah that one gun that was auctioned off last night went for 5 mil. ish said it was honestly worth 300k (said it was an sg552 that fired straight and a ravson5 with more explosive ammo) or so. people gonna go crazy tho cuz it is "rare." no way is any gun worth 5 mil.

ares rifle is selling for like 5 mil or more now. over the summer iy was being sold for around 1 mil.

[geneticfrog]

Originally Posted by Zongui

yeah that one gun that was auctioned off last night went for 5 mil. ish said it was honestly worth 300k (said it was an sg552 that fired straight and a ravson5 with more explosive ammo) or so. people gonna go crazy tho cuz it is "rare." no way is any gun worth 5 mil.

ares rifle is selling for like 5 mil or more now. over the summer iy was being sold for around 1 mil.

yeah thats a perfect example rich people fighting vs other rich that are on buying it to horde it obviously will keep till he gets a good offer from another richie that gives him good profits.

thats the only thing rares do and most games tend to lead to focus on that a never ending cycle. oh yay new rare till people well not people but the "olbies" get bored.

since just like real like the rich olbies and rich addicts have a lot of the era version of "political power" note how earlier godzilla replied to the attack on his riches.

he said he would quit if he was reset this is one of the plutonomy bulls flaunting his influence over era. just like in real life the rich count as special people when it comes to political choices in governments.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Zongui

yeah that one gun that was auctioned off last night went for 5 mil. ish said it was honestly worth 300k (said it was an sg552 that fired straight and a ravson5 with more explosive ammo) or so. people gonna go crazy tho cuz it is "rare." no way is any gun worth 5 mil.

ares rifle is selling for like 5 mil or more now. over the summer iy was being sold for around 1 mil.

Pure insanity at the auction; whoever bid either had so much money they didn't care.. or they didn't check the gun stats before buying it.

Ares rifle is probably the only anomaly I can think of, it is very rare (only 5-6 of them) and is also the best single gun on Era.

[paintballdude956]

Originally Posted by Zongui

yeah that one gun that was auctioned off last night went for 5 mil. ish said it was honestly worth 300k (said it was an sg552 that fired straight and a ravson5 with more explosive ammo) or so. people gonna go crazy tho cuz it is "rare." no way is any gun worth 5 mil.

ares rifle is selling for like 5 mil or more now. over the summer iy was being sold for around 1 mil.

Correction: I said this gun is worth 1.2M, just like any other "God-tier" gun. You got the 300k from me saying I see it as Sg552 (900k) + grenade launcher feature (worth ~300k).

Originally Posted by ooger

I don't get why you also think that having the best guns makes you the best player. Ask anyone on the server if Tk was ever the best when he had the most money for a while and almost everyone will tell you he wasn't. Being able to get a gun that can compete with high guns is totally doable. I've seen so many guys (myself included) get absolutely trashed by someone using a sten/souizen/hk416 other <500k gun vs my honey badger (over 1 mil). It's really down to player skill now, since literally anyone can make enough for a sten/souizen in a week if they tried. Hell, the hk416 is only like 200k I could make that in one day if all I did was mine for 3 hours or trash pick/pk

This is really the goal of my current systems. God-tier guns do one of two things: have none of the minor disadvantages of tier 3 guns (usually clip/reload related), or have a "special feature." See MVP AK47 for an example of the first type (bullets for days but basically a navy) and ARG (high ROF) for an example of the second type.
Either way, if you're marginally good, you can do just fine with a Navy or even Sten.

Originally Posted by Supaman771

Pure insanity at the auction; whoever bid either had so much money they didn't care.. or they didn't check the gun stats before buying it.

Ares rifle is probably the only anomaly I can think of, it is very rare (only 5-6 of them) and is also the best single gun on Era.

cf. above... that gun is not worth $5M and I will never buff it up to that price just because someone chose of his own volition to pay that.
Ares is still comparable to other "God-Tier" 1.2M guns, in my opinion.


EDIT: Chooch beat me to the punch, haha

[Zongui]

Originally Posted by paintballdude956

Correction: I said this gun is worth 1.2M, just like any other "God-tier" gun. You got the 300k from me saying I see it as Sg552 (900k) + grenade launcher feature (worth ~300k).

my bad. yeah, I only got the last part of your convo with seth. but yeah, no way is that gun worth 5 mil. it went for 5 mil tho because like mentioned earlier, there are a few people on era that are so rich that they don't care lol.

and yeah I have np with rare guns being that much. that gun that went for 5 mil is going to be in event shop next month too.

[punkrules]

Geneticfrog you have been unbanned at the mercy of the PRA.

Good luck.

[shrimps]

Over the summer people weren't making a million in a few days.
All old prices have gone out the window, anything previously priced is now wrong. Unless there's some NPC cap for purchasing something obviously.

[Good_Ol_Daze]

yeah i agree we should reset era again. it's been too long since the last one.