why kill v5

[Tim_Rocks]

You sound like a man/women? who needs a time machine.

[shrimps]

Originally Posted by Tim_Rocks

You sound like a man/women? who needs a time machine.

Don't know about you guys, but I saw this and thought "I would love a time machine".

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by shrimps

"I would love a time machine".

I'd go back like 10 years and hook up w/ Avril Lavigne when she was still hawtaf.

Either that or get 1985 Micheal J. Fox and film our adventures for lulz.

What was the topic again?

[kia345]

Cow sounds like someone with a point.

Every update, old things break and the UI gets worse.


It doesn't help that the client actually used to look like a game's menu before, now it looks like a kitsch flash game hub that I just might see advertised on Nick Jr.'s website.

[kia345]

My favorite part about Tim's posts is that they only seem like applicable responses when they're in the form of tired memes

[Tim_Rocks]

Originally Posted by kia345

My favorite part about Tim's posts is that they only seem like applicable responses when they're in the form of tired memes

[kia345]

That's subjectively better.

[Tim_Rocks]

Originally Posted by kia345

That's subjectively better.

<3

[ilovegirlzz]

so basically...the admins like the updates because it reduces the amount of work they have to do. and the players dislike the updates because it doesnt do anything. v4 FTW..

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by ilovegirlzz

so basically...the admins like the updates because it reduces the amount of work they have to do. and the players dislike the updates because it doesnt do anything. v4 FTW..

No.

[WillaWonka]

Originally Posted by ilovegirlzz

so basically...the admins like the updates because it reduces the amount of work they have to do. and the players dislike the updates because it doesnt do anything. v4 FTW..

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

No.

In terms of the staff getting something done, turns out less work for the admins because they already did it.... usually what happens yes. You are trying to make it sound like a bad thing, no? I personally love the updates, especially v6, as soon as it came out, graal finally started to do more then 5fps for me and i was able to pwn noobs liek dis kid.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by WillaWonka

In terms of the staff getting something done, turns out less work for the admins because they already did it.... usually what happens yes. You are trying to make it sound like a bad thing, no?

Because he makes it out as though v6 makes it so staff can be lazy and everything is easier... and it's not even remotely close to that. It simply gives devs the ability to do more.

[ilovegirlzz]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Because he makes it out as though v6 makes it so staff can be lazy and everything is easier... and it's not even remotely close to that. It simply gives devs the ability to do more.

youre right im not even remotely close..the staff were already lazy to begin with you can tell that this game was made with minimum effort..sure they added more ways to make money and update the gmap but the gameplay is still horrible pretty horrible, the server changes every other week so no ones ping is consistent. And it doesnt help that era is so anti v5.."you can only play this event if you have v6" what type of discrimination is that. my ancestors fought hard so i can use the internet and play this game that was made on paint

Even with all of that it's no point because stefan is just going to force everyone to update and delete v5..then when v7 comes well be complaining again. the vicious cycle i tell you

[Scoper]

Because of hacks and exploits, Era has been shut down multiple times over the past year..some of those times were for close-to 24 hour periods. You like your friendly little hackers? Screw off, they're not all nice. There's a difference between 'cool effects' and blatant server destruction

I can say we have the ability for a lot higher quality content, sure. The content itself comes from the developers who use it. You think older servers were better? Blame better staff, or your own bias.

You're right. The shell is important. But not as important as the game itself.
So, since the game carries a greater value than the shell around it, updates that increase the value of the overall game content but decrease (and again, this decrease is only YOUR opinion, so from an objective point it's hard to even argue it's there) how pretty the shell around it is should be totally acceptable.

Since you haven't really stopped being you, it's pretty obvious you're not going to believe that you're wrong here. As such..there's no point in arguing this. This thread should be in general discussion or something anyway

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Scoper

Since you haven't really stopped being you, it's pretty obvious you're not going to believe that you're wrong here. As such..there's no point in arguing this. This thread should be in general discussion or something anyway

I especially like the part where you ignore all of everyone's valid points, while claiming they're wrong for ignoring your own less valid points.


Cow presents an important perspective, and you vastly blow Graal's issue with hackers out of proportion. Your opinion is built out of some light involvement with a server that's broken itself more often than hackers have, and somehow you're using that minor involvement to constitute an air matter-of-factness that you truthfully shouldn't have.

Graal has seen numerous successful servers in the past, without the updates later versions of the client have brought. Arguably, the changes that came with Graal are even in some cases responsible for killing them off (Delteria being one example).

Delteria also makes a nice example of how irrelevant your hacker argument is, but I'll leave that one alone.

To be blunt, and play on your dumb shell vs. game stance; the "shell" has sharply fallen with later releases, while the "game" (read: background processes) has only slightly risen - and quite slowly, given v6's long wait. That's hardly a worthwhile trade off.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by kia345

the "shell" has sharply fallen with later releases, while the "game" (read: background processes) has only slightly risen - and quite slowly, given v6's long wait. That's hardly a worthwhile trade off.

That's something I can agree with.

[bloodykiller]

stop criticising v6. the 1st v6 beta sucked obviously but now it has way more functionalities than v5 and the glitches have been fixed..not to talk about the massive difference in fps lag
name 1 relevant advantage that v5 has over v6? don't post though if your computer is 5 years old or something retarded like that

[Crow]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

stop criticising v6. the 1st v6 beta sucked obviously but now it has way more functionalities than v5 and the glitches have been fixed..not to talk about the massive difference in fps lag
name 1 relevant advantage that v5 has over v6? don't post though if your computer is 5 years old or something retarded like that

I assume your computer is at least as old as well, since I have no performance issues with either v5 or v6 on my very low end laptop. The image of Graal in general and the client has degraded over the years, that's a fact. It's not only about performance and features, you know?

[bloodykiller]

my computer is 2 years old and i'm gonna change it soon. i only encountered fps problems on v5 when i had chrome open and was playing ulms, gang events or at unstick. but i see loads of players having fps issues (on v5) even with only a dozen players on the same level
any computer with 4gb ram will give you issues on v5 if you're using your browser at the same time you're using graal. on v6 if u want to get fps lag you really need to try hard

[Crow]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

any computer with 4gb ram will give you issues on v5 if you're using your browser at the same time you're using graal.

I only recently upgraded to 8 GB of memory and had 4 GB before that, and was happily running Graal v5, Opera, another popular MMO with more than 10 million subscriptions, Photoshop, a music player and some other crap without any performance issues. Maybe you should face the fact that your hardware might just suck. Especially if you make it dependant on RAM alone, of which Graal doesn't even use a whole lot.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

my computer is 2 years old and i'm gonna change it soon. i only encountered fps problems on v5 when i had chrome open and was playing ulms, gang events or at unstick. but i see loads of players having fps issues (on v5) even with only a dozen players on the same level
any computer with 4gb ram will give you issues on v5 if you're using your browser at the same time you're using graal. on v6 if u want to get fps lag you really need to try hard

ur right i'm no computer geek, but what i'm tryna say is that my computer was medium-top tier when i bought it (september 2010) and AS OF NOW with v5 i'd get a shitload of fps lag. also many other players would have fps lag and now only few do
unluckily enough, my laptop broke down so i'm stuck on a computer which is like 5 years old, used as **** and not even portable lol, and i manage to get fps lag on v6 (in ulms/high action levels+random fps lag spikes which **** up my fire rate since i mostly use semi-auto guns)..running v5 on this computer barely allows me to move at unstick. so my theory is once again confirmed, and as a general theory it might not apply to that 1% which has weird compatibility issues.

[ilovegirlzz]

lol like im going to read all of that. im going to leave you guys with a little advice. Defeating a sandwich makes it tastier

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by ilovegirlzz

lol like im going to read all of that. im going to leave you guys with a little advice. Defeating a sandwich makes it tastier

Ah, great. You're shaping up to be one of those people on the forums absolutely everyone ****ing ignores.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Ah, great. You're shaping up to be one of those people on the forums absolutely everyone ****ing ignores.

Well, at least vBulletin does have an ignore feature.

[Tim_Rocks]

Originally Posted by ilovegirlzz

lol like im going to read all of that. im going to leave you guys with a little advice. Defeating a sandwich makes it tastier

Even if you're in the wrong, keep arguing, it's more fun, trust me.

[WillaWonka]

You can't have a argument then ignore everyone, we should strip you of your argument tag and throw you in the dungeons!

[WillaWonka]

My computer is 5 years old and i dont get fps lag that much :/

mac mini ftw..

jk im getting a real game computer the end of this month finally.. arma ftw.

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by WillaWonka

My computer is 5 years old and i dont get fps lag that much :/

mac mini ftw..

jk im getting a real game computer the end of this month finally.. arma ftw.

of course it should run on a 5 years old computer
graal used to run on computers from 1998 (and probably older)
and the graphics are about the same

[amf101]

Sometimes when I raid in vortex my fps freezes when I run through one of the levels in the gmap, pretty weird.

[Cow2001]

is it only in v6 or v5 too?

[WillaWonka]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

is it only in v6 or v5 too?

Why's rogue on your computer.

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by WillaWonka

Why's rogue on your computer.

???

[amf101]

It's one of Rogue's offspring! :O

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by amf101

It's one of Rogue's offspring! :O

We takin' Ovaaaaa!

[Tim_Rocks]

Guy's leave Rogue alone, she just got fixed and isn't feeling well.

[scriptless]

Well, if they don't force everyone to use new updates. They have to script things for 2 clients, or more.. and this can cause problems since some things are only possible now using V6.. so it's very problematic when people begin to complain things wont work in V5 that v5 is not even compatable with.. =/

Whats so wrong with V6 other then the lack of UDP, im rather curious how v5 is considered better to you guys.

[Gos_pira]

Originally Posted by scriptless

Well, if they don't force everyone to use new updates. They have to script things for 2 clients, or more.. and this can cause problems since some things are only possible now using V6.. so it's very problematic when people begin to complain things wont work in V5 that v5 is not even compatable with.. =/

Whats so wrong with V6 other then the lack of UDP, im rather curious how v5 is considered better to you guys.

It plays different, looks a bit different, and people had 5 years to get used to the last v5 client. People are always afraid of changes.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Gos_pira

People are always afraid of changes.

That's reason #1.

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by scriptless

Well, if they don't force everyone to use new updates. They have to script things for 2 clients, or more.. and this can cause problems since some things are only possible now using V6.. so it's very problematic when people begin to complain things wont work in V5 that v5 is not even compatable with.. =/

Whats so wrong with V6 other then the lack of UDP, im rather curious how v5 is considered better to you guys.

I don't think v6 is really worse than v5 (besides the no microphone support), but v5 and v6 are worse than what we had before (from a player perspective)

[Gos_pira]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

I don't think v6 is really worse than v5 (besides the no microphone support), but v5 and v6 are worse than what we had before (from a player perspective)

Definitely this. v4 felt more like graal in general. I think it has a lot to do with the login-screen and server selection as it doesn't feel very "graal".