Suggestion Thread: Let's get down to some specifics.

[Cetellic]

Gladius seems butthurt (everyone's been saying it lately so why not) over the whole "troll" thing online so to clear up your confusion here's the definition I came to when I used it -

'you make points that are easily shot-down, you're not much of a threat you're just a problem that lingers, you're not arguing points that are meaningful and overrule mine, you don't even know what you're talking about most of the time - you're just saying stuff to "put up an argument" and they must be good because Clel will try to correct you rather then say "you're too dumb to get it" and walk away.'

You took it rather emotionally though, look at that big response... and you open with with "Clel, you're a control freak". Then three paragraphs of "OMG!!! IS THIS WHY I WAS CALLED A TROLL? WELL HERE'S MY STANCE ON IT!!", give it up... I started skimming after the girl bit cause I knew what you were doing... I dont even have to fight your points cause you didn't think before using em... with all the information that's been told your whole post pretty much has been raped by previous ones... that's why telling troll's information is a waste cause they don't use it.

[Shadow87]

Alright alright , I think its either time for a new thread for this subject or travel back to the GC forums for this one guys.

[Cetellic]

yeah it is starting to get ***, dont we have more important matters to discuss?

[BlackSolider]

Rofl clel takes things in such a wrong direction, its not even funny. GPS please. Any and all comments I made about the "troll" thing online were very, very sarcastic. Trollsaurus? Rofl dude, common.

Anyways, from what I've gathered, you are a control freak. Its not even an attack either. Thats not a bad thing. You didn't even deny any one of those allegations, though I ponder you didn't deem it worthy of your time. Too busy scripting events, ey? No matter.

It's clear clel, that we have different perspectives on how to host. I've given my reasons why I do what I do, and you've given your reasons why you do what you do. Clearly we both believe we are correct, because it is only natural. Like I've said, I see the value in hosting a variety of events, just not to the extent that you suggest. If you don't agree with my logic, then don't do it my way. I'm not trying to covert you to A+BmoreoftenthanCism. Trying to do so would be A)impossible and B)unwise. GCs have the freedom to host how they want to. Tis why each GC has flavor; a personality. We're not a bunch of robots who summon people and do things step 1 to step 10 until the event is over. Hell nah. We each do things in our own little way, within the context of the overall rules. That's the beauty of being a GC. You can add a twist or a spin to things. You can do it your way (just like BK.)

I don't host C events as much because A and B events are much more popular. Simple as that. Doesn't mean I won't host C events (which tats seems to keep missing somehow.) You can sit in your chair and believe you "shot-down" or even "raped" my points, but lets be realistic here: you can't defeat someone's point by saying something that is opposite to it. They are your opinions. If I say "well C events aren't that fun to the majority so I don't host em", you can't say "well they might be fun to a few people so you got to host em" and think you won. Nah fool. It doesn't work that way. Those are opinions. You need facts to prove someone wrong. If you had somehow got evidence that the majority of players actually loved C events and wanted them hosted more than A events, then you would have raped my argument completely. But you didn't.

Look duda. I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I see the value of hosting a variety of events. I just don't believe all events need to be hosted as often as others. Pretty simple concept. If you don't follow my logic, then so be it. But you can't prove me wrong dude. I mean, seriously, the day that the majority likes the current musical chairs more than the current ctf sumo is the day hell freezes over. So quit acting like you won, because, really, you haven't.

I've been told to stop posting on this argument because its making the GCs look bad. Fine. But I'll leave it at this. I'll host A+B events more than C events for the reasons I've already stated. You'll host A+B+C events for reasons you already stated. So, why can't we just leave it at that? Neither of us can prove the other wrong because neither of us are wrong. It's just a different style of hosting. Both logics make sense. The logic of only hosting A events doesn't make sense, which is why it is wrong. Is one of our logics better than the other? Well thats up for the individuals to decide. Those that like C events, such as tats, will side with you. Those that like A+B events more than C events will side with me. Does it mean people won't join yours or my events? Hell nah. They just won't see as many C events when I host.

Ya see dawg, you host how you want to host, and I'll host how I want to host. It's how things are done, and its how things will continue to go. If you want to host C events more than I do, go for it. I have nothing against C events being hosted (at the right playercounts.) As long as events are being hosted on a regular basis, things should be all good, no matter if they are A, B, C, Q, or Z events.

Well, I've rambled enough. Hopefully you can see the merits of both sides clel. If not, well then don't get mad, get hosting those C events you control freak

[Cetellic]

@ Gladius - ummm... apparently you're really really hurt and you really really need to settle down a bit... it's not that serious...

@ Mystic - modern events system won't save the world, but it'd be a positive change. Upgrading should be something on the side

[MysticX2X]

It should be a priority actually. You believe the problem with GC now lies within the GC team and tickets, when the GC team isn't even the case and the tickets are playing a minor role. If other servers already have a higher tech events system, why do they want to play Classic events which run slow and take a very long time and aren't even aware of most event rules?

You seem to ignore the big picture here but you haven't played other servers so I realize where your ignorance comes from.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

It should be a priority actually. You believe the problem with GC now lies within the GC team and tickets, when the GC team isn't even the case and the tickets are playing a minor role. If other servers already have a higher tech events system, why do they want to play Classic events which run slow and take a very long time and aren't even aware of most event rules?

You seem to ignore the big picture here but you haven't played other servers so I realize where your ignorance comes from.

I've discussed this with Nighty, and he has no plans on updating this archaic system. Things like summoning should have been phased out as soon as we got the NPC server. We have the technology, why aren't we utilizing it?

[Kill]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

why do they want to play Classic events which run slow and take a very long time

That is indeed very true.
Someone like Rob who was a Classic regular left the server for Era because he doesn't like how long events on Classic take - mostly due to the set up and the summoning of accounts which is pretty much a waste of time if you think about it.

I'm in favour of a technological advance - Classic's system is outdated, and sure, it would save you guys a lot of hassle and cure the problem with summon bias by someGCs... but if you change it to look like everyone elses' -- What makes it Classic?!

The only other problem I could see with using a 'join event' system would be the fact we're now shifting away from player-run events onto robot-like events. I mean, seriously guys... What would differentiate you GCs hosting from a robot?!

Also, the GCs have been pampered quite a bit lately though bringing up valid points that I myself brought up back when I was a GC, yet Night didn't listen to me. I'd be surprised if he changes his mind now.

[-Ramirez-]

Most importantly, regarding the use of more intelligent event operation designs, GET RID OF MASS MESSAGING. Whoever decides to make such changes, do NOT forget this, and ignore Night if he tries to tell you no! This is the single most antiquated thing the server still does and it needs to DIE, promptly.

[Kill]

Originally Posted by -Ramirez-

Most importantly, regarding the use of more intelligent event operation designs, GET RID OF MASS MESSAGING. Whoever decides to make such changes, do NOT forget this, and ignore Night if he tries to tell you no! This is the single most antiquated thing the server still does and it needs to DIE, promptly.

Actually I don't agree with you at all Kat.
Mass Messaging is crucial to keep any sort of competitiveness in events.
Tickets are currently useless, Classic is the only server that uses Mass Messaging to show winners -- If this was removed, do you think it would have any positive outcomes other than it being easier for you (since you won't have to open up their messages on RC, assuming this is why you want them disabled).

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Kill

Actually I don't agree with you at all Kat.
Mass Messaging is crucial to keep any sort of competitiveness in events.
Tickets are currently useless, Classic is the only server that uses Mass Messaging to show winners -- If this was removed, do you think it would have any positive outcomes other than it being easier for you (since you won't have to open up their messages on RC, assuming this is why you want them disabled).

since the writing ability of the members of the GC team run from simian to block of wood, I don't see why you'd think it's a good idea to have them constantly mass messaging.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by Kill

Actually I don't agree with you at all Kat.
Mass Messaging is crucial to keep any sort of competitiveness in events.
Tickets are currently useless, Classic is the only server that uses Mass Messaging to show winners -- If this was removed, do you think it would have any positive outcomes other than it being easier for you (since you won't have to open up their messages on RC, assuming this is why you want them disabled).

You, like Night (at least in the past), are blind to the possibilities. You simply do NOT have to remove messages involved with starting an event. The point is that there's absolutely NO reason for it to be done via mass messages. It's the most irritating thing imaginable.

Also, what Kevin (lmao, I think... account names are so annoying) said is right. The messages are pretty much useless as of now anyway. I'd wager that a decent portion of the players don't even CARE about the literary aspect of the messages as well. I certainly don't want to read a novel if I'm trying to get into an event quickly. However, as I said, messages do NOT have to be removed.

[Shadow87]

Well its clear Classic GC have nothing on speed compared to other server ETs, but think about it, why do you think we are still GC and they are all ET? Game Coordinators still have to coordinate everything, Events team people just kinda have to kick back and enjoy the show because everything is click click! clack clack nuggah!!

[Cetellic]

I've been to NPulse, Era, and UN, I've played events from those servers, their systems aren't that much of a difference.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Cetellic

I've been to NPulse, Era, and UN, I've played events from those servers, their systems aren't that much of a difference.

They make it more apparent that they're hosting and what the rules of their events are. I'm not suggesting all automated but something to resolve a quick join to events (Which a poll has been posted for).