Suggestion Thread: Let's get down to some specifics.

[BlackSolider]

Rofl mishaps. If you honestly think that hosting unpopular events just for the sake of "keep control" or "not limiting yourself" is being a good GC, well then you've got a very, very different job description than I do. Being a good GC is about hosting fun events for the people; so if people don't find an event to be fun, I don't see why it should be hosted.

If certain events don't get players, its because people don't like them. Why force something down their throats? "Im gonna host this event even though you don't like it, just to stay in control!". Please. Being a GC is about satisfying the masses, not doing things to "keep control." This isn't a dictatorship.

[DutchGuy]

well with thor and master storm aka fidel castro / chavez in control, this whole server is about dictatorship.

[Shadow87]

Gladius, they may not be fun for you, but they are fun for others, if someone requests it, and you asked for requests, are you still not going to host it?

Sometimes you have to suck it up and host it for the players, a lot of players believe it or not, like 4 player events, why do we have them if they dont get hosted anyway eh?

[DarkCloud_PK]

This thread was about suggestions, not internal GC affairs and GC dilemma.

Even if we find some magical event that is more fun than CTF, that does not fix the deep root of the problem with GC right now, which is the stagnant useless prizes and ever inflating ticket count. Without tickets having worth, there is not a whole lot of incentive other than the event itself to play the event, there is no more economy driving events. While other methods of competition are in the works for GC events. The main problem that needs to be focused on is making tickets worth something again besides a number to collect. When that is established, players will participate in a wider range of events instead of choosing to idle if CTF is not hosted.

If you can't find any players to play another other than CTF, don't host, CTF should not be being hosted as much as it is anyway, it ruins the long term fun of the event and further inflates tickets. Unless there is a good reason to do it, such as entertaining an abnormaly large player count, etc, CTF should not be over hosted. If people don't want to play anything other than CTF, don't host, it isn't an obligation to host CTF all the time, if people know its either xxx or nothing, and GCs can't be pressured into hosting CTF, perhaps your turnout will increase in other events.

Also there's nothing wrong with events with 3-4 players in there either.
A lot of studio A events I and many others enjoy.

[BlackSolider]

@ tats

If I asked for requests, and something like druken stupor or musical chairs was the winner, I'd host it. I never said I'd flat out not host a "low tier" event or a "4 player ever"; I simply said I'd host something funner, imo, if given the choice.

Say if there was a tie between druken stupor and, for example, babord survivor, I'd host babord survivor for a number of reasons. More players involved, funner to watch, less work from myself, funner to play, etc.

As for your "why are they there if they don't get hosted" thought: its not that these events don't get hosted; they just don't get hosted with the regularity as other events. Example: some items in a grocery store are going to always be bought, and other items are going to only be bought from time to time by a small minority. So why are the other items there? To keep everyone remotely happy (hey look, we have something for everyone!) Drunken stupor is there to be hosted from time to time when the situation is right. It isn't there to be hosted 3 times a day because it has limitations. A minority of players will want it, and thus once in a while their thirst will be quenched, pun intended.

As for DC's comments, I rarely host ctf anymore tbh. When I ask for requests, I usually throw in a line like "out of the box" or "underhosted" events, though about half the ppl will still pm me ctf. So I ignore them and host something else, only to find a few ppl who pmed me not join (presumably b/c they don't like the underhosted event. and by underhosted I'm not talking musical chairs. more like infection or sumo allstar.) I try to host ctf only with a playercount above 25, thus the odds of getting 8 people and a few standbys are fairly good.

[Cetellic]

Hmm lets see

"If you honestly think that hosting unpopular events just fir the sake of 'keeping control' or 'not limiting yourself'", hmm I have no real choice but to give you the title of "troll". 'Just' for the sake of keeping control? Like control is disposable and we don't even need it?!... yet

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

What happened to the good old days when you'd get 12 pms for a 8 man spar tournament

Yes Gladius, those old days where the GCs actually gave a hoot about such a worthless factor as control. Peppering in a small or unpopular to get away from the mainbranch of events a "cool down", yeah the mere idea of using those events is the same as jamming it down their throats, because those horrible events are not fun in even the slightest.

And I still have miles of explaining to do, like why control is important for authority figures like GCs, how you can use control without being a dictator, and finally how having options A+B+C is better then just having option A (limitations)... as usual presenting information to a troll would be a waste. I'm more interested in taking up the offer of making tickets worthwhile again...

[BlackSolider]

Clel, you're a control freak. You want the right to pick anyone you wish when captaining ctf. You want the right to host any event, any time. You want the right to place your self-made npcs into your events to "spice things up". You want the right to make events in your test level.

Look duda, I flow with the people. If people like events A and B more than event C, then GCs should adjust their hosting to host A and B more than C. Now, no where did I ever say a GC should just host A and/or never host C. So kindly, do throw out the idea of "then just having option A" from your posts because it is simply not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, (this example is from my personal preference at this point,) that if I had a choice between a blonde, a brunette, and a red head, I'd (taking personality out of it) go for the blonds and brunettes. I simply don't like red hair that much. I don't get anything out of it. So, if you were setting me up on a blind date, I'd really prefer it if you didn't set me up with a red head. With that said, I wouldn't be opposed to going out with a red head, it just wouldn't be my first choice.

Look clel, control is not something GCs have to have in abundance. You go with the flow. You go with what works. If the opposing team isn't letting you run the ball, by golley, don't run the ball that much! If you keep losing at blackjack, by golley, find another game to play! If the majority of the players don't like a particular event, by golley, don't host it that much! Learn to adjust dude. Yes, keeping your options open is important so you don't limit yourself too much. But if certain options aren't as good as the others, you don't use them!

Only hosting option A means you're too thick headed. Hosting A B and C even though C isn't popular is just ignorant. Hosting A and B more than C, if C isn't as popular, makes perfect sense. The people make the rules on graal, not the staff. It's called social norms. People know what they like and what they don't like. Why not adjust your hosting style to their wants and needs? Because you want control? Because you want to keep your options open and not limit yourself? Common dude. I'm not saying to only host 3 events. You host what people will join most of the time. Yes, host C events from time to time, but not because you have to. Host events because either you want to, or the people want it. That's all I'm saying dude. And if that makes me a "troll", then I'll take it as a compliment.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

This thread was about suggestions, not internal GC affairs and GC dilemma.

Even if we find some magical event that is more fun than CTF, that does not fix the deep root of the problem with GC right now, which is the stagnant useless prizes and ever inflating ticket count. Without tickets having worth, there is not a whole lot of incentive other than the event itself to play the event, there is no more economy driving events. While other methods of competition are in the works for GC events. The main problem that needs to be focused on is making tickets worth something again besides a number to collect. When that is established, players will participate in a wider range of events instead of choosing to idle if CTF is not hosted.

If you can't find any players to play another other than CTF, don't host, CTF should not be being hosted as much as it is anyway, it ruins the long term fun of the event and further inflates tickets. Unless there is a good reason to do it, such as entertaining an abnormaly large player count, etc, CTF should not be over hosted. If people don't want to play anything other than CTF, don't host, it isn't an obligation to host CTF all the time, if people know its either xxx or nothing, and GCs can't be pressured into hosting CTF, perhaps your turnout will increase in other events.

Also there's nothing wrong with events with 3-4 players in there either.
A lot of studio A events I and many others enjoy.

people had hundreds of tickets pre NPC server, how is this magically a problem now?

Perhaps readd the statue auction?

[Kill]

if I had a choice between a blonde, a brunette, and a red head, I'd (taking personality out of it) go for the blonds and brunettes.

Nice analogy. I'd do the same.

[Shadow87]

Im sorry gladius but I have to go with clel on this. Some how over the time you have been GC your mind has been warped on how you should host. You are still just thinking about yourself in terms of hosting and nothing else.

You should remember the old days, when GCs hosted everything in almost a day, that could still happen if the effort was put in, but no one puts in the effort. GC needs to get their bond back with each other, it used to be more like a family guild, now you all usually argue, or never communicate. Just because the event isn't as fun gladius as others, does not mean you do not host it, please understand that. We have events getting dust on them because no GC wants to host them, and i'm actually going to go ahead and contradict myself according to the first sentence i have in this post, but sometimes you have to go and say screw requests, im going to go host CoD and people will play it, im telling you people will play it. But you probably dont even know what CoD is which also could be a problem.

You need to suck it up man, stop fighting with clel, and start hosting more, more of everything, you really dont have any variety , not alot of GCs do now. None of you host nearly enough either, you all need to step up your game biiiiiiiig time.

[Cetellic]

Gladius seems butthurt (everyone's been saying it lately so why not) over the whole "troll" thing online so to clear up your confusion here's the definition I came to when I used it -

'you make points that are easily shot-down, you're not much of a threat you're just a problem that lingers, you're not arguing points that are meaningful and overrule mine, you don't even know what you're talking about most of the time - you're just saying stuff to "put up an argument" and they must be good because Clel will try to correct you rather then say "you're too dumb to get it" and walk away.'

You took it rather emotionally though, look at that big response... and you open with with "Clel, you're a control freak". Then three paragraphs of "OMG!!! IS THIS WHY I WAS CALLED A TROLL? WELL HERE'S MY STANCE ON IT!!", give it up... I started skimming after the girl bit cause I knew what you were doing... I dont even have to fight your points cause you didn't think before using em... with all the information that's been told your whole post pretty much has been raped by previous ones... that's why telling troll's information is a waste cause they don't use it.

[Shadow87]

Alright alright , I think its either time for a new thread for this subject or travel back to the GC forums for this one guys.

[Cetellic]

yeah it is starting to get ***, dont we have more important matters to discuss?

[BlackSolider]

Rofl clel takes things in such a wrong direction, its not even funny. GPS please. Any and all comments I made about the "troll" thing online were very, very sarcastic. Trollsaurus? Rofl dude, common.

Anyways, from what I've gathered, you are a control freak. Its not even an attack either. Thats not a bad thing. You didn't even deny any one of those allegations, though I ponder you didn't deem it worthy of your time. Too busy scripting events, ey? No matter.

It's clear clel, that we have different perspectives on how to host. I've given my reasons why I do what I do, and you've given your reasons why you do what you do. Clearly we both believe we are correct, because it is only natural. Like I've said, I see the value in hosting a variety of events, just not to the extent that you suggest. If you don't agree with my logic, then don't do it my way. I'm not trying to covert you to A+BmoreoftenthanCism. Trying to do so would be A)impossible and B)unwise. GCs have the freedom to host how they want to. Tis why each GC has flavor; a personality. We're not a bunch of robots who summon people and do things step 1 to step 10 until the event is over. Hell nah. We each do things in our own little way, within the context of the overall rules. That's the beauty of being a GC. You can add a twist or a spin to things. You can do it your way (just like BK.)

I don't host C events as much because A and B events are much more popular. Simple as that. Doesn't mean I won't host C events (which tats seems to keep missing somehow.) You can sit in your chair and believe you "shot-down" or even "raped" my points, but lets be realistic here: you can't defeat someone's point by saying something that is opposite to it. They are your opinions. If I say "well C events aren't that fun to the majority so I don't host em", you can't say "well they might be fun to a few people so you got to host em" and think you won. Nah fool. It doesn't work that way. Those are opinions. You need facts to prove someone wrong. If you had somehow got evidence that the majority of players actually loved C events and wanted them hosted more than A events, then you would have raped my argument completely. But you didn't.

Look duda. I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I see the value of hosting a variety of events. I just don't believe all events need to be hosted as often as others. Pretty simple concept. If you don't follow my logic, then so be it. But you can't prove me wrong dude. I mean, seriously, the day that the majority likes the current musical chairs more than the current ctf sumo is the day hell freezes over. So quit acting like you won, because, really, you haven't.

I've been told to stop posting on this argument because its making the GCs look bad. Fine. But I'll leave it at this. I'll host A+B events more than C events for the reasons I've already stated. You'll host A+B+C events for reasons you already stated. So, why can't we just leave it at that? Neither of us can prove the other wrong because neither of us are wrong. It's just a different style of hosting. Both logics make sense. The logic of only hosting A events doesn't make sense, which is why it is wrong. Is one of our logics better than the other? Well thats up for the individuals to decide. Those that like C events, such as tats, will side with you. Those that like A+B events more than C events will side with me. Does it mean people won't join yours or my events? Hell nah. They just won't see as many C events when I host.

Ya see dawg, you host how you want to host, and I'll host how I want to host. It's how things are done, and its how things will continue to go. If you want to host C events more than I do, go for it. I have nothing against C events being hosted (at the right playercounts.) As long as events are being hosted on a regular basis, things should be all good, no matter if they are A, B, C, Q, or Z events.

Well, I've rambled enough. Hopefully you can see the merits of both sides clel. If not, well then don't get mad, get hosting those C events you control freak

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

This thread was about suggestions, not internal GC affairs and GC dilemma.

Even if we find some magical event that is more fun than CTF, that does not fix the deep root of the problem with GC right now, which is the stagnant useless prizes and ever inflating ticket count. Without tickets having worth, there is not a whole lot of incentive other than the event itself to play the event, there is no more economy driving events. While other methods of competition are in the works for GC events. The main problem that needs to be focused on is making tickets worth something again besides a number to collect. When that is established, players will participate in a wider range of events instead of choosing to idle if CTF is not hosted.

If you can't find any players to play another other than CTF, don't host, CTF should not be being hosted as much as it is anyway, it ruins the long term fun of the event and further inflates tickets. Unless there is a good reason to do it, such as entertaining an abnormaly large player count, etc, CTF should not be over hosted. If people don't want to play anything other than CTF, don't host, it isn't an obligation to host CTF all the time, if people know its either xxx or nothing, and GCs can't be pressured into hosting CTF, perhaps your turnout will increase in other events.

Also there's nothing wrong with events with 3-4 players in there either.
A lot of studio A events I and many others enjoy.

Tickets aren't the deep problem here in all honesty. As Kevin said, a statue auction would of been a good thing as well. I suggested it to Night (while he told me it was a feature before), a very long time ago and nothing still has been done.

CTF is our most popular event. Of course it is going to be the most hosted. Overhosted? I think not though. Lack of a modern events system is what kills our events.

I take it you haven't ready any of my points to Clel at all. It's okay though since Clel appears to be on the same boat as you.