Bring back Classic levels and hit detection?

[DarkCloud_PK]

are you really going to be another one of those people that gives me that crap that they started since zelda online?
I really don't think you can top my over 7K hours online, so don't try to tell me about back in your day, son.

[unknown]

oh and please look at those numbers, regardless of who they are they deserve to be heard on their requests if you want some POTENTIAL players for your dead server. Maybe instead of making fun of UN and being so pessimistic of change, you should take notes from UN.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by contego

Nothing of relevance, and problaby should be edited. But please let's focus on the topic at hand.

DarkCloud - "Present Dev Admin" (quoting your signature on your post). When I was GM, I said it like it was and I'm not going to sugar coat it now; It's abundantly clear that the HD is a large factor of Classic's low playercount. All you need to do is take it that direction. You're not helping this situation, you and Master Storm are the people we need to convince. All the people on the poll are all fighting for the samething, it's not an attack personally on you as a person.

There's tons of relavance I just noted, that you completely ignored.
THERE IS DEFAULT HD ON CLASSIC RIGHT NOW THIS VERY SECOND, AND NOT A SOUL USES IT.

Obviously not that big of an issue, I know what classic's issues are a hell of a lot more than you do, and its not because of the HD.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

are you really going to be another one of those people that gives me that crap that they started since zelda online?
I really don't think you can top my over 7K hours online, so don't try to tell me about back in your day, son.

are you really going to be another one of those people that gives me crap that just because someone plays UN they aren't worthy of an opinion on your server?
I really don't think your 7k hours are relevant, considering you always idled and never really played the game, so don't try to tell me about back in your day, dad.

P.S. if I added all my accounts, I'd probably have the same amount of hours, junior.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

oh and please look at those numbers, regardless of who they are they deserve to be heard on their requests if you want some POTENTIAL players for your dead server. Maybe instead of making fun of UN and being so pessimistic of change, you should take notes from UN.

Why would I take notes on a server that primarily uses GS1 and likes NPCWs like the typewriter NPC(which I rescripted back on Classic in roughly 30 seconds)? There's a lot of UN's population that I would rather like to stay on UN because of the void of intellect.

UN is trash, the only thing holding UN together is its diehard sparring community and community in general, if anything would ever happen to UN's community, it would colapse on itself since it is such a low quality server.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

40 people want the old content back.
Why don't we bring it back for like a week as a "test"?

It just isn't that easy.



contego, Stefan truly can't just upload old files and have it function properly. As has been said, the scripts are completely incompatible and will not work in the vast majority of cases.

I highly doubt the servers are designed to work properly without an NPC server running at all anymore as well. A lot of the old functionality that existed without an NPC server probably doesn't exist or doesn't work anymore. This isn't the right solution even if it did work, though.



I'd also like to note, at least in regard to the default hit detection, that nobody has been exposed to a real replica of the default done with current scripting methods. I think if they were, they'd find that it's the same or indistinguishable, at least. Believe it or not, it would allow it to be integrated into what currently exists. However, good luck finding someone to do that with the huge pile of garbage they call system scripts at the moment.



In regard to starting with a small piece (as in the main city) of old content and expanding outward with an entirely new set of systems... that's definitely a great idea. It's what should have been done 5 years ago, but we (referring to the developers before Storm just suddenly got promoted over everyone as if that was warranted somehow) didn't really consider that. Our goal was to fix EVERYTHING at once, which was not only overwhelming, it was unlikely to ever succeed in the time frame we had. I don't think it'd take a whole lot to accomplish this new idea.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

are you really going to be another one of those people that gives me crap that just because someone plays UN they aren't worthy of an opinion on your server?
I really don't think your 7k hours are relevant, considering you always idled and never really played the game, so don't try to tell me about back in your day, dad.

P.S. if I added all my accounts, I'd probably have the same amount of hours, junior.

It's just a simple matter of knowing what the hell you're talking about before you start telling Classic what it needs.
It would be like if I went to Era's or Zodiac's forums, servers which I don't play, and told them what to do.
Doesn't make too much sense now does it? How about you go worry about your own server, instead of ours?

[Pelikano]

Wait wait, how long do people want to go back? :S

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by -Ramirez-

I'd also like to note, at least in regard to the default hit detection, that nobody has been exposed to a real replica of the default done with current scripting methods. I think if they were, they'd find that it's the same or indistinguishable, at least. Believe it or not, it would allow it to be integrated into what currently exists. However, good luck finding someone to do that with the huge pile of garbage they call system scripts at the moment.

The default areas in Exo's are pure default, the scripting is set to completely remove all the custom HD components from the player, then give them back when they aren't in the room, so while they're in the spar level, enableweapons(); is uses, which turns on the dormant default HD.

[unknown]

Advice is advice, and this is coming from some one whos played graal long enough, and played pretty much every server it has to offer. Why do you keep coming up with excuses?

Does this mean your willing to take some advice on changes? you know what we are talking about, mainly the hit detection and better development in the right direction.

Go worry about my server? lol you obviously don't care if classic comes back at all since you can't take anyones opinion. you're like a defensive little kid, I can't believe you're my age.

[contego]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

There's tons of relavance I just noted, that you completely ignored.
THERE IS DEFAULT HD ON CLASSIC RIGHT NOW THIS VERY SECOND, AND NOT A SOUL USES IT.

Obviously not that big of an issue, I know what classic's issues are a hell of a lot more than you do, and its not because of the HD.

DC you've got to have an open mind. -.-

Bell, please just backup the server and do like Tyhm suggests which is basically beefing up secruity.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

The default areas in Exo's are pure default, the scripting is set to completely remove all the custom HD components from the player, then give them back when they aren't in the room, so while they're in the spar level, enableweapons(); is uses, which turns on the dormant default HD.

What I was talking about is the fact that everyone thinks you need the REAL default for it to be identical, or close enough that they can't tell and only make assumptions. Having it scripted is definitely a better idea, as it makes scripts more flexible, but everyone's pointlessly against that because they've only seen pathetic excuses for systems.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by contego

DC you've got to have an open mind. -.-

Bell, please just backup the server and do like Tyhm suggests which is basically beefing up secruity.

actually with what tyhm was talking about, we'd be beefing down security, so we could have those frantic admins chasing down the trainer users causing chaos again.

[contego]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

actually with what tyhm was talking about, we'd be beefing down security, so we could have those frantic admins chasing down the trainer users causing chaos again.

What's wrong with that? It still happens on Graal. The TOS is still in effect. We'll still have the same consquences and banning capabilities.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

Advice is advice, and this is coming from some one whos played graal long enough, and played pretty much every server it has to offer. Why do you keep coming up with excuses?

Does this mean your willing to take some advice on changes? you know what we are talking about, mainly the hit detection and better development in the right direction.

Go worry about my server? lol you obviously don't care if classic comes back at all since you can't take anyones opinion. you're like a defensive little kid, I can't believe you're my age.

Advice is advice, but all advice isnt feasible, and taking 5 years of steps to go back 10 years in steps for nostalgia isn't feasible. I have no idea why you can't grasp the fact that trying to rebuild GTA to a tee is such a momumental waste of time, would anyone be around in 5 years that would remember Classic as it was? Would Graal even be around?