Windows v6 beta test

[alskdjfhg]

Originally Posted by Crono

v6 needs to set a good impression, or else you will have a lot of disappointed players.

I highly doubt players have high expectations for V6. It's not like Graal is going to get THAT much better with it...

[Sky]

If v6 doesn't work good for you, you report your problem and go back to v5. It's called beta for a reason... X.x

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Crono

v6 needs to set a good impression, or else you will have a lot of disappointed players.

Which is why I'm advocating an open beta be released right now. v6 needs to be released as soon as possible, but I agree that bugs need to be fixed first.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Which is why I'm advocating an open beta be released right now. v6 needs to be released as soon as possible, but I agree that bugs need to be fixed first.

OLOL IS BROKEN "yes, it's just a beta though..." LOL STIL EVERYTHING BROKEN U NOOB "yes...that is the point of a beta"

MBY U NO UNDERSTAND INGLES THIS SUX I QUIT

etc

you know how people are.

[alskdjfhg]

Originally Posted by Crono

OLOL IS BROKEN "yes, it's just a beta though..." LOL STIL EVERYTHING BROKEN U NOOB "yes...that is the point of a beta"

MBY U NO UNDERSTAND INGLES THIS SUX I QUIT

etc

you know how people are.

To be honest, I think the damage has been done enough already.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Crono

OLOL IS BROKEN "yes, it's just a beta though..." LOL STIL EVERYTHING BROKEN U NOOB "yes...that is the point of a beta"

MBY U NO UNDERSTAND INGLES THIS SUX I QUIT

etc

you know how people are.

The glitches are minor. No one is forcing you to use the beta, so why deny it to those who want it?

[Sky]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

The glitches are minor. No one is forcing you to use the beta, so why deny it to those who want it?

This ^

[Crono]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

The glitches are minor. No one is forcing you to use the beta, so why deny it to those who want it?

[DustyPorViva]

But there are a lot of minor bugs.

This would have never been a problem if we didn't have to wait years for a new major version and the client was updated periodically for bugs and smaller features.

[cbk1994]

Stefan, this should give you an idea of how awfully the Graal client runs right now, and how urgently we need v6.



A phone should not run Graal better than a computer.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

A phone should not run Graal better than a computer.

I agree, and this is coming from a guy with a computer that is barely more powerful than his own DSi.

[adam]

Nice video. I heard they try to avoid taxing the iPhone client, this proves their wasting time, because windows users with much much more powerful machines can't handle the same things the iPhone can. hmm?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by adam

Nice video. I heard they try to avoid taxing the iPhone client, this proves their wasting time, because windows users with much much more powerful machines can't handle the same things the iPhone can. hmm?

the iphone/ipod client is using v6 ircc

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Crono

the iphone/ipod client is using v6 ircc

It's also using the Mac client which runs much better than the Windows client on identical hardware on v6.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

It's also using the Mac client which runs much better than the Windows client on identical hardware on v6.

sounds like a problem w/ graal

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Crono

sounds like a problem w/ graal

It is. My point with the iPhone video is that the Windows client runs so awfully that an iPhone which has far inferior hardware to a PC can get better framerates. I didn't mean to make it sound like I was pointing out some flaw in Windows, sorry about that.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

It's also using the Mac client which runs much better than the Windows client on identical hardware on v6.

Oh yes, that makes sense. So many players have a Mac

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by Crow

Oh yes, that makes sense. So many players have a Mac

It makes sense because Stefan develops Graal using Linux, and Linux and OS X are a damn sight more similar than Linux and Windows are. Incidentally, Chris' point was that the iPhone client is based off the OS X client, not that everyone in the world is using a Mac

[Alure1316]

Stefan mentioned that over 100 players run Graal on Mac platforms somewhere.. Hmm

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Alure1316

Stefan mentioned that over 100 players run Graal on Mac platforms somewhere.. Hmm

thats a pretty low percentage

[Admins]

Originally Posted by Crono

thats a pretty low percentage

There are around ten times more Windows players than Mac players. But there are also around ten times more iPod players than Windows players

[Admins]

So is the latest version working perfectly? Has anyone tried the -opengl option?

About fonts: fonts like tempus sans should be identical to v5, you can test it when setting the font size to 30.
On which server can I test the non-working text particles?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Stefan

So is the latest version working perfectly?

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...&postcount=468

Also it doesn't seem to remember positions/sizes of windows. For example on v5 I always have my Graal maximized (but not fullscreen). v6 doesn't remember this and starts not maximized. The playerlist and PM windows still open in weird positions (pm windows opening where your mouse x and y is) and it doesn't remember any resizes.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Crono

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...&postcount=468

Also it doesn't seem to remember positions/sizes of windows. For example on v5 I always have my Graal maximized (but not fullscreen). v6 doesn't remember this and starts not maximized. The playerlist and PM windows still open in weird positions (pm windows opening where your mouse x and y is) and it doesn't remember any resizes.

Hm, to add to that list, it seems the F2 log doesn't update via sendRPGMessage() unless you've opened it at least once.

Recreation:
*Log into your client and find something that uses sendRPGMessage()
*Activate it and open F2 - Nothing new appears
*Close the F2 window and activate the sendRPGMessage() function again and then press F2 again

You will have two (or more depending on how many times you used the function before checking) instances of the message sent to the RPG Window.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Hm, to add to that list, it seems the F2 log doesn't update via sendRPGMessage() unless you've opened it at least once.

Recreation:
*Log into your client and find something that uses sendRPGMessage()
*Activate it and open F2 - Nothing new appears
*Close the F2 window and activate the sendRPGMessage() function again and then press F2 again

You will have two (or more depending on how many times you used the function before checking) instances of the message sent to the RPG Window.

I've found resizing it the first time you open it shows the messages

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Twinny

I've found resizing it the first time you open it shows the messages

Pretty much anything that doesn't work right on first open requires a resize to fix it. I.e: Profile quotes, if they're too long they get cut off but a slight 1 pixel resize makes it display properly.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Stefan

About fonts: fonts like tempus sans should be identical to v5, you can test it when setting the font size to 30.
On which server can I test the non-working text particles?

It's on GK debug, Test/TextParticles. I added it to your Stefan account.

[Admins]

To the people who say that "there are still a lot of bugs": Please post them here (eventually as list all into one post) otherwise they will not be fixed.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Stefan

eventually

Denk bitte dran, dass das nicht "eventuell" heißt

[Admins]

Originally Posted by Crow

Denk bitte dran, dass das nicht "eventuell" heißt

I don't care if people do triple-posts as long as they report the bugs and not just say 'it's bugged'

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I don't care if people do triple-posts as long as they report the bugs and not just say 'it's bugged'

When I asked for a list to be made earlier in the thread, Rufus posted a short one here-

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...&postcount=468

Originally Posted by Rufus

• When moving using the I, J, K, and L keys, if you hold down Ctrl or Alt and let go of your movement key, it will continue to walk in the direction that you were walking towards.
  
• When moving (on all defined movement controls) if you Alt and Tab out of the window your character won't stop moving in the direction you were heading in. Much like the Ctrl/Alt bug above.
  
• Maximizing to full screen messes up the screen. Ctrl, Alt and Delete and opening a program that disables visual themes also achieves this. These don't happen on my Graal 5 client, though a little error does pop up when I do Ctrl, Alt and Delete.
  
• Use bold on the nicknames and chat like they usually are.

• I also recently brought up the resizing issue again if it's still relevant where you have to resize a window (Windows version, not sure about other platforms) otherwise it will not display all the text or fully adjust the scrollbars.
  
• When scrolling using the scroll wheel, it instantly scrolls to the top and bottom extents with only one scroll wheel tick (Best way I can describe moving it only a small scroll)

Originally Posted by Crono

• It doesn't seem to remember positions/sizes of windows. The playerlist and PM windows still open at MouseX/MouseY positions and it doesn't remember any resizing. Also, when opening directly from the EXE (not shortcut), it doesn't remember if it was last closed in a maximised or restored state, and if in a restored state it acts the same way as with PMs (Last size, last position, etc)

I don't know if I've missed something going back through some pages though so if anyone is to add to this or any further posts, quote each of them so they all remain together from now on and not lost later.

[WhiteDragon]

I really need the latest Linux 64 build because I have a bug with certain types of anis not displaying and I need to see if it's fixed, otherwise its a fairly major bug.

[Crono]

tsa add "Also it doesn't seem to remember positions/sizes of windows. For example on v5 I always have my Graal maximized (but not fullscreen). v6 doesn't remember this and starts not maximized. The playerlist and PM windows still open in weird positions (pm windows opening where your mouse x and y is) and it doesn't remember any resizes. " to your list :}

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Crono

tsa add "Also it doesn't seem to remember positions/sizes of windows. For example on v5 I always have my Graal maximized (but not fullscreen). v6 doesn't remember this and starts not maximized. The playerlist and PM windows still open in weird positions (pm windows opening where your mouse x and y is) and it doesn't remember any resizes. " to your list :}

Added, though slightly altered the part about starting maximised/restored as this can be achieved through shortcut "Run Maximized" setting (On Windows) anyway.

[Venom_Fish]

Does V6 have a scheduled release date?

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

Does V6 have a scheduled release date?

Nope.

[Admins]

Ok the F2 problem was more a problem of the script now reflow()ing the text, it should be fine now. Please check if the log window is also not slowing down things too much now.

[Admins]

A new version (5.261) has been packaged and will be released soon. Following modifications have been done:
- fixed mouse wheel scrolling
- fixed keys getting stuck when pressing the Alt key
- improved switch from fullscreen to window mode
- the setup is working, if possible test this by renaming Graal.exe to GraalSetup.exe (it has now a scripted folder selection for better compatibility or later use on other platforms)

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Stefan

A new version (5.261) has been packaged and will be released soon. Following modifications have been done:
- fixed mouse wheel scrolling
- fixed keys getting stuck when pressing the Alt key
- improved switch from fullscreen to window mode
- the setup is working, if possible test this by renaming Graal.exe to GraalSetup.exe (it has now a scripted folder selection for better compatibility or later use on other platforms)

These all seem to be functioning correctly. There is another bug I have found which I thought had already been reported but going through all the pages I couldn't find it. Tile related.

V5: v6:

Notice in the V6 one, where there were pure black tiles suddenly became "Motion blurred". The post I thought had already pointed this out was relating to the Laser Tag lobby (Also on Era).

v5: v6:

• Also, if the client (v5.261) has been running for an extended period of time and you try to close it, the client stops responding. I'm not entirely sure exactly how long "extended period of time" is, but long enough to have a decent game play session and ready to close it.

Sidenote: I'm not entirely sure if this counts towards the "Slowdowns" you mentioned before when altering the Log Window, but it appears the memory leak is back in this version. After an hour of gameplay, the Graal.exe process got upwards of 250,000K - 350,000 K Memory (Private Working Set). This has only happened to me once as I haven't spent longer than an hour on it today, but it had at least stopped going anywhere near that high (Most ever was 100,000K) in previous betas.

Also, there are still a few things on the first page by Tig's first post that aren't fixed. Things like canresize, canclose, etc on external windows.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Sidenote: I'm not entirely sure if this counts towards the "Slowdowns" you mentioned before when altering the Log Window, but it appears the memory leak is back in this version. After an hour of gameplay, the Graal.exe process got upwards of 250,000K - 350,000 K Memory (Private Working Set). This has only happened to me once as I haven't spent longer than an hour on it today, but it had at least stopped going anywhere near that high (Most ever was 100,000K) in previous betas.

Have you checked if there was a lot of stuff in the log window?