Should P2P playerworld owners be.. paid?

[omni-m00gle]

Originally posted by Falcor
Staff can play for FREE on thier playerworld. methinks that is reward enough, Stefan could be a total ******* an not let staff accounts log on to acually play the game, but hes nice enought to basically Give you an account.

Very well said.

The idea is retarded. Jobs require paying taxes and other things to offices. Most of the playerworld owners are still at the age where they get an allowance for doing jack **** at home. Most Graal players, actually. I'll stick to working as an actor, Stefan can save his money to keep Graal RUNNING.

[omni-m00gle]

Originally posted by Andor_Admin1
I must say that paying server owners would be very stupid. Even if my server was the best server on Graal, I wouldn't ask to be paid. That's dumb


EDIT: Falados: Vain, not vein. :-)

2nd EDIT: And Konidias, don't mistake this post as me calling you dumb. You are far from dumb, but the idea of getting paid for owning a server seems dumb to me.

Wow, I didn't think it was possible for anyone to act so ****ing dorky over the internet.

[Warcaptain]

i agree.


there are many slacking pw's that just dont work.
but the best renforcement (sp) for work, is money.

anyone who says no to this is really not thinking clearly, or reading the post through.

[Brad]

no

[konidias]

Man this is an old post..

I still think it would be good to get paid, but there are many problems with it of course. That, and the fact that Cyberjouerers apparently isn't making enough to pay more people..

I don't really care about being paid now, but it's always nice to think about.

[SinNetherwind]

I said yes, I mean PW owners do tons of work just like stefan does and he gets paid right?

[iniquitus]

First of all, lets think about this. What is a Playerworld? It's a server created by player(s). If someone were getting paid by Cyberjourer, then that person wouldn't be a player now would they? Graal Online develops the Official Graal servers, they do them very well too, if they have extra money to pay another person, they will not pay you to have the privlidge to get your work online for people to see, they may offer you a job as a developer for the next official Graal server though. Yes, PW owners do alot of work, and put alot of time into managing a PW, but Graal Online did not approach any PW manager (Note, manager not owner. Graal Online owns all PW's.) asking them to build a PW. Every PW that is up has been put up because a player decided that he/she wanted to try making a server because he/she thought it would be fun, or a challange. Graal Online is nice enough to let people who put alot of work into these projects, and make something others can enjoy, manage Playerworlds so people can play on their work.

Second, we must also consider how much running Graal Online costs. Stefan and Unixmad are certainly not flying arround in a flashy Cyberjourer company jet. Servers, Bandwidth, and Time, all cost money. Stefan and Unixmad would love to hire more developers for Graal Online; however, Graal hasn't reached an income level high enough to justify the cost of hireing more developers. (In other words, we need more players, tell all your friends to get accounts!)

Playerworlds are a way for ordinairy players to get their work online. Any player. If we started paying for "Playerworlds" (Might aswell just call them Servers.) then you would remove that ability of any player being able to work hard and get a server online, instead you would have a system where Unixmad and Stefan and hand-picking people to build servers-- based on how much everyone complains anytime Stefan or Unixmad hire anyone to do anything, I'm sure EVERYONE would love seeing this happen to Playerworlds.

I think it's time to close this thread.

Urizen :o

[Xbob42]

If the owner of the playerworld charges to play on their server then yeah, but then they would of course have to pay Stefan a certain % for it since he made the game and is allowing them to have a server. LAT's, NAT's, GAT's, GP's, etc will also have to be paid for their services. This would then create major problems.

Problems such as these:

PlayerA will feel he is better than PlayerB and thinks he deserves to be paid more than PlayerB. At the same time it will suck for PlayerC who possibly produce better work than both PlayerA and PlayerB, but can't get paid because he/she is under 16.

A LAT on a playerworld feels that he/she can make better levels and script better than the owner so deserves more pay.

CorruptStaff knows PlayerE can produce better work than them and that person could possibly replace them. CorruptStaff finds any little reason to get rid of PlayerE

I don't need to go any further since I'm sure many of you get the idea.

There will be alot more problems similar to these. Some less and some extremely great problems.
(And we know they will happen because we are humans and we are greedy and selfish at one time or another)


If anything make it where only Graal Gold servers Staff can get paid.

~Prince Dark

[iniquitus]

Yes, I agree, probably the most insigtful thing said here tonight.

Urizen

[Xbob42]

Also as far as the tax situation goes. Players will have to pay taxes if they are in the U.S. Not sure about other countries.
That is if you make over 600 dollars. If less then its not likely the IRS will hunt you down for small cash earned over the internet.
I forgot the name of the form for cash earned over the internet.

~Prince Dark

[Milkdude99]

btw in case you guys didn't know Unixmad is running 20 servers , try figuring the cost on those...

[GraalBR]

Originally posted by konidias
I know this might belong in playerworld forum, but I want to get everyones general opinion on it..

Well do you think P2P playerworld owners should be paid? I mean, perhaps a percentage or something depending on the average ammount of players on their playerworld for the month.. say, a tally could be kept.. so for example, if the playerworld does okay for one month, then the total money earned is calculated, and added to their "bank" when the money gets to a certain sum, cyberjouer(sp) could send a check to the owner. (maybe require an age limit or something)

I think this would do wonders for the playerworlds, it would also be more professional, and you have to think, if these P2P playerworlds are getting a lot of people on them, they must be getting a lot of new P2P accounts made for them (or re-upgraded for them) as well.

The more people they get, the more they get paid, so that the owners will actually put lots of effort into making their server enjoyable and trying to get people to upgrade or come play on their server (meaning more business for stefan)


To prevent cheating, the playerworlds could easily be monitored to see if there are like, a bunch of staff idling on it all day, or a bunch of fake npc servers or something..

lol arnt u a OWNER lol and wernt u offering ppl like $75 for a tileset lol u dont need it :-D

[Birdbird_0]

[SIZE=0.5]/me wishis that Unixmad or Stefan would offer bird an offical position developing at cyberjouior and get, maybe even a little compansation for his work, volenteer work can take a toll on ya, you know? Birdbird is also very cool [/SIZE]

[GraalBR]

Originally posted by Birdbird_0
[SIZE=0.5]/me wishis that Unixmad or Stefan would offer bird an offical position developing at cyberjouior and get, maybe even a little compansation for his work, volenteer work can take a toll on ya, you know? Birdbird is also very cool [/SIZE]

lol

[nyghtGT]

You shouldn't have to may them, as incentive, to do work. Cause once the money would stop flowing the work would stop flwoing as well...

PW owners, in general, hardly do anywork besides barking orders. So basically, if I owned a playerworld, I could sit on RC all day and have some little un-knowing newbie make good levels for me and I get cash monies.

Aside from fulfilling the PW owner paychecks Unixmad or Stefan would have to fill out more checks going towards bandwidth and server maintinence for the servers and their connections. And thats a lot of money. Some game server hosts charge anywhere between $200 and $1000 just for one game server.

Another thing is once some of the free server owners saw the p2p worlds getting cash monies they would want to upgrade their server. It tuns to be that all Graal is p2p now and 1/3 of its population has left the game because they don't want to upgrade.