Should P2P playerworld owners be.. paid?

konidias · #1 01-17-2002, 08:01 PM

I know this might belong in playerworld forum, but I want to get everyones general opinion on it..

Well do you think P2P playerworld owners should be paid? I mean, perhaps a percentage or something depending on the average ammount of players on their playerworld for the month.. say, a tally could be kept.. so for example, if the playerworld does okay for one month, then the total money earned is calculated, and added to their "bank" when the money gets to a certain sum, cyberjouer(sp) could send a check to the owner. (maybe require an age limit or something)

I think this would do wonders for the playerworlds, it would also be more professional, and you have to think, if these P2P playerworlds are getting a lot of people on them, they must be getting a lot of new P2P accounts made for them (or re-upgraded for them) as well.

The more people they get, the more they get paid, so that the owners will actually put lots of effort into making their server enjoyable and trying to get people to upgrade or come play on their server (meaning more business for stefan)

To prevent cheating, the playerworlds could easily be monitored to see if there are like, a bunch of staff idling on it all day, or a bunch of fake npc servers or something..

Psyker · #2 01-17-2002, 08:13 PM

some of graal's most talented could easily get rich that way.

Androk2k1 · #3 01-17-2002, 08:15 PM

I don't know... I mean It'z not like Stefan made them creat servers. They did it on their own for their own.

On the other hand the stuff you said makes sense.

Agrh and last: What a hell is Oasis?

ArchOwl · #4 01-17-2002, 08:24 PM

one, simple, word: yes

konidias · #5 01-17-2002, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by Androk2k1
I don't know... I mean It'z not like Stefan made them creat servers. They did it on their own for their own.

On the other hand the stuff you said makes sense.

Agrh and last: What a hell is Oasis?

I just figured you know since they ARE getting people to upgrade/re-upgrade their accounts, don't you think they deserve something? Heck, if I got paid for playerworld visitors I would even advertise my playerworld on other sites and get new people to Graal. Don't you think all these lazy playerworld owners would put more effort into their servers if they were getting payed by average ammount of players? Most only have like 3 or 4 people on them now, because they have no motivation.. money would be very motivating I think.

Oh, and Oasis is my playerworld that I'm making.. check the playerworld forum for more info.

BlKnight · #6 01-17-2002, 08:43 PM

Great idea! I for one know I would put alot more time into it. But you haven't though of one thing...Co-owners, or more then one owner. Or staff...

konidias · #7 01-17-2002, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by BlKnight
Great idea! I for one know I would put alot more time into it. But you haven't though of one thing...Co-owners, or more then one owner. Or staff...

I think perhaps that could be worked out between stefan and the owners...

About the staff though, I guess the owners could decide if they wanted to pay them or not.. and they could maybe do the paying themselves, or have stefan pay them a percentage of their servers profit or something?

Birdbird_0 · #8 01-17-2002, 08:54 PM

humm, its a good proposition, but I don't think some of the work that people put in their pw's are worth paying them for, some yes, but some no. But it wouldn't be fair if only the owners got it, because, most of the time, its the owners that sit on their butts and watch the team do all the work. I say, its up to Unixmad and other reviewrs to decied that =p

Xythar · #9 01-17-2002, 08:56 PM

In theory, this could be a very good system. Then you realize it would mean that the people in charge of Valikorlia would be paid.

konidias · #10 01-17-2002, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by Xythar
In theory, this could be a very good system. Then you realize it would mean that the people in charge of Valikorlia would be paid.

Payment would be based on average users per month.. other factors could be worked in, such as quality of the server, server costs, etc..

The payment could be calculated like:

Every hour the number of players for the pw is logged
After 24 hours the average is taken from the 24 numbers
After 31 days (or however many days are in that month) the average is taken of all the day totals.

This would also make it easy to catch cheaters in the system, such as large fluctuations at weird times, etc.

I think the owner would probably want to pay their staff, because I'm sure if one owner pays their staff, the other staff from other pw's are going to demand payment or take their skills elsewhere..

grim_squeaker_x · #11 01-17-2002, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by Xythar
In theory, this could be a very good system. Then you realize it would mean that the people in charge of Valikorlia would be paid.

I though the new one up was a free server?

konidias · #12 01-17-2002, 09:15 PM

It's not like stefan would have to pay them often, if say for example, the sum had to get up to 100 dollars or something for them to send the payment. I mean just look at the number of people on the servers.. (1 being the npc server) I don't really think this is what you call a good use of servers.

edit: lol and the 1 other person on Andor is an RC (rc's would be factored out as well)

Xythar · #13 01-17-2002, 09:18 PM

Val is UC, but I'm pretty sure it will be P2P. If you've been to there, the makers should be fined, not paid.

BlKnight · #14 01-17-2002, 09:20 PM

Yes very true...it sounds like a very good system. And it would really be no loss to Stefan or Unixmad. I mean, if the PW does horrible, the owners get like a dollar. But, if they do a nice job, it could add up quickly...and if they do a nice job, more people upgrade accounts. More people upgrade accounts, more money. More money, no loss, instead massive gain.

Shorty2Dope · #15 01-17-2002, 09:23 PM

I like your ideas.. Someone should talk to stefan and work it out..

Kasuagi · #16 01-17-2002, 09:24 PM

I love the idea, this is perfect. but you have to think about other people as well. an example, the staff on the server. would they be paid? think about it, a good
p2p server starts raking in loads and loads of money, it all goes towards the owner. wouldn't people become jealous and get mad? they'd want a part of the share, because it's their work too

Stefan obviously doesn't want to shell out more money either, he already states that he doesn't get enough revenue from Graal (I think) and paying p2p owners a percent, how much would they be paid? too many variables, but maybe it would work

I have little hope for Graal anymore, look at what all has happened. it's sad, and there is nothing I can do about it

hopefully Stefan will invest his time in this idea, it's for a good cause

BlKnight · #17 01-17-2002, 09:28 PM

Well, also staff could try to con an owner out of his position. For instance, if this worked, and Murasamune went online and was successful, I would pay W-Dragoon 50% of what is earned. The rest of staff would get nothing, simply because the have done nothing. What if, considering everything I said was true, the staff which does nothing then lies about them making most everything? The owner has just wasted hours, days of his life making something whiched was stolen from him...all this could happen simply from greed.

AlkarenHyralt · #18 01-17-2002, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by Birdbird_0
humm, its a good proposition, but I don't think some of the work that people put in their pw's are worth paying them for, some yes, but some no. But it wouldn't be fair if only the owners got it, because, most of the time, its the owners that sit on their butts and watch the team do all the work. I say, its up to Unixmad and other reviewrs to decied that =p

I agree with that.

But, I do like kon's idea. It might put a bit more professionalism (sp) in the creation and managing of playerworlds.

freddyfox · #19 01-17-2002, 09:31 PM

No.

If we did that, we'd have hundreds of people making desperate grabs to get a P2P playerworld online.

Shorty2Dope · #20 01-17-2002, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by freddyfox
No.

If we did that, we'd have hundreds of people making desperate grabs to get a P2P playerworld online.

so? They would have to be incredibly good to match up with the rest or be accepted. Maybe get rid of a few that are online now also..

Kasuagi · #21 01-17-2002, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by freddyfox
No.

If we did that, we'd have hundreds of people making desperate grabs to get a P2P playerworld online.

hire more playerworld reviewers ;D

this would work...

I'd love to sit back and make money off something I enjoy

Kasuagi · #22 01-17-2002, 09:37 PM

I just thought of something...

hypothetically speaking, I could setup a server and run a 2 ghz processor, T3 connection, with 300 ready p2p accounts and log them onto my server and just let them idle. I'd generate a lot of profit like that and I could even pay "dummy" players to stay on for long periods of times

theres always a way to cheat the system

konidias · #23 01-17-2002, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by Kasuagi
I just thought of something...

hypothetically speaking, I could setup a server and run a 2 ghz processor, T3 connection, with 300 ready p2p accounts and log them onto my server and just let them idle. I'd generate a lot of profit like that and I could even pay "dummy" players to stay on for long periods of times

theres always a way to cheat the system

Ummm I think that would be noticeable.. seeing as how the ip would be the same for about 300 people.. lol

As for what vermain said, sure more people would attempt to get p2p pw's online, but that isn't saying they will be good enough..

WHIPENIE4 · #24 01-17-2002, 10:39 PM

[screen_name says:]

im currently working on Divided Kingdoms, so once i get File Manager rights, it will start to get better :P

anyway, i agree with you konidias

DeathChill · #25 01-17-2002, 10:54 PM

I say no...I mean Stefan doesn't make that much by himself does he?Let alone server costs,etc. So WHY should he pay someone else for something he never even asked for?

Nastazio · #26 01-17-2002, 10:57 PM

This sounds like a good idea, and a great proposition for talented graalinans to make some cash working on what they like. I also think that yes, people would work alot harder advertising Graal, and fixing up their playerworlds to get players on so they can rake in the dough for that month.

On the other hand, i can see where Vermain and Bird are coming from. You will have a million people submiting playerworlds. We would have to hire more PW Testers and such, and have them work alot more.

I also think this would elemenate all new Free playerworlds. What person would want to NOT get paid for making a server? I could bet 9/10 submitted would be pay-to-play and horrible if that.

But over all i would say it is a good idea. Koni, i would take this up as soon as you can with Unixmad or Stefan and get the idea in motion

DeathChill · #27 01-17-2002, 11:00 PM

Oh yeah and also it'd be better if global staff were paid

Playerworld owners are just managing their playerworlds. Something they have to do if they want to stay up. On the other hand global staff are running around helping like every server with accounts stuff,answering emails,etc.

cds96 · #28 01-17-2002, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by DeathChill
I say no...I mean Stefan doesn't make that much by himself does he?Let alone server costs,etc. So WHY should he pay someone else for something he never even asked for?

i agree with you

DeathChill · #29 01-17-2002, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by cds96
i agree with you

<3

DeathChill · #30 01-17-2002, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by DeathChill
Oh yeah and also it'd be better if global staff were paid
Playerworld owners are just managing their playerworlds. Something they have to do if they want to stay up. On the other hand global staff are running around helping like every server with accounts stuff,answering emails,etc.

(I don't actually wanna be paid just saying it'd make more sense then paying PW owners)

konidias · #31 01-17-2002, 11:05 PM

To deatchill:

He might not have asked for it, but you can't deny the fact that if a p2p playerworld gets really popular, it's going to be bringing their company in more money.

To nastazio:

you mention 9/10 servers would be crap then.. I don't think that would be the case.. if they were crap they wouldn't be put up.. I think it would be a good idea to get a group of playerworld reviewers.. and they all review the playerworld by themself, then give it a yes or no, like a jury.. if the majority is yes, the playerworld gets in, if the majority is no, it's rejected. It would also give a better more varied opinion on a playerworld, instead of 1 or 2 people deciding it all.

Plus, people would keep non-p2p up because the requirements wouldn't be so high or something? How come so many are up right now? Way more then p2p.. I think as long as the p2p servers have to reach a certain standard, it will keep them to a limited amount. Plus you know more people DON'T have p2p accounts (judging by the amount of people on classic/other nonp2p servers) so you can get a wider audience with a nonp2p server.

Some of you are kinda putting prices in your heads it seems.. the payment could be whatever Stefan wants it to be.. even a dollar or something is better then nothing you know

DeathChill · #32 01-17-2002, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by konidias
To deatchill:

He might not have asked for it, but you can't deny the fact that if a p2p playerworld gets really popular, it's going to be bringing their company in more money.

Maybe a few p2p accounts but people upgrade for 2001 becuase it's the new main server so people are all excited.Not many people upgrade for PW's.

konidias · #33 01-17-2002, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by DeathChill

Maybe a few p2p accounts but people upgrade for 2001 becuase it's the new main server so people are all excited.Not many people upgrade for PW's.

NOW.. but if pw owners got paid by the average amount of players, don't you think they would put more effort into their pw's? Half the time there is nobody on the other p2p pw's because they are all up but only like a few levels and the rest is under construction for weeks and months because the owners get unmotivated/lazy/etc.

I don't think global staff should get paid, I think global staff shouldn't exist.. staff having nothing to do with a server shouldn't have power on it. :o

NotoriousBLT · #34 01-17-2002, 11:13 PM

It would be cool to be paid to own a playerworld but I also agree with DeathChill. And maybe Konidias thought of this because he will be owning a PW soon?

Loriel · #35 01-17-2002, 11:13 PM

I suggest Unixmad puts a poll into the account upgrading thing, "If you are upgrading your account because of a special server, select it here." or so.

Agelaos · #36 01-17-2002, 11:13 PM

no,.. but I would pay to have my playerworld

DeathChill · #37 01-17-2002, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by konidias

NOW.. but if pw owners got paid by the average ammount of players, don't you think they would put more effort into their pw's? Half the time there is nobody on the other p2p pw's because they are all up but only like a few levels and the rest is under construction for weeks and months because the owners get unmotivated/lazy/etc.

I don't think global staff should get paid, I think global staff shouldn't exist.. staff having nothing to do with a server shouldn't have power on it. :o

Ok so lets let graal be full of hacked accounts,unchangeable passwords,etc all thanks to no global staff!WOO!Also lets have no defined rules for staff does and don'ts without any global staff!HUZZAH!

Anywho Konidias not even PW's that have a lot of neat stuff will get people to upgrade.It's things like graal2001,2002 that get people to upgrade but people may find a home on one of the p2p ones it's not really the reason they upgraded, but any upgrading is good upgrading.

konidias · #38 01-17-2002, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by Loriel
I suggest Unixmad puts a poll into the account upgrading thing, "If you are upgrading your account because of a special server, select it here." or so.

Yeah that sounds like a good idea also.

Yes this came to mind because I'm making a playerworld.. I enjoy making it, and I would love to get it up and have people enjoy playing it, but at the same time, I am devoting so much of my time to this project, and I would assume it will make more money for their company.. I would only think it fair if they think it's great enough to put online in their game, then it's good enough for them to share the wealth.

DeathChill · #39 01-17-2002, 11:16 PM

But I have a q

JubeiSaotomeX · #40 01-17-2002, 11:18 PM

i can't believe people even voted no, thats just dumb

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