Playerworlds that Hire Staff

zokemon · #1 06-11-2004, 07:56 PM

I am a little concerned on what is happening with playerworlds these days.
I know it may not be my buisness (sp?), but I am helping alot of servers out and am not liking what I am seeing.

When you hire any person, you should never give them a Chief, Asst. Chief or Admin position. I also suggest that you not hire developers but only promote people to those jobs. And you should NEVER hire someone to be your Manager or Asst. Manager even if you think you know them well. Again, make sure the person is familier with your goals and rules before promoting people to these jobs.

The only exception I would see to this is if you had previously worked with this person and seen how they work in a work enviroment. Having RC and a Job does not only depend on Scripting, Tiling or Graphics skill. It also requires maturity and respect. That means IF you get fired you DON'T decide to delete everything. I personly think you are 8 years old if you do this or deserve to be treated like so.

I am really tired of people PMing me or IMing me saying:
Person: "Can you script for me?"
Me: "Maybe."
Person: "Plz, I will make you Co-Manager."

This is just intolirable (sp?).
Oh and on a second note: It is Asst. Manager NOT Co-Manager.
Co-Manager means you are EQUAL with your OTHER Co-Manager and there is no one Manager but instead two of them.

matt8891 · #2 06-11-2004, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

When you hire any person, you should never give them a Chief, Asst. Chief or Admin position. I also suggest that you not hire developers but only promote people to those jobs. And you should NEVER hire someone to be your Manager or Asst. Manager even if you think you know them well. Again, make sure the person is familier with your goals and rules before promoting people to these jobs

Yes,Thats partly true. If someone shows you great work from the start and that work is much greater than e.g(NAT Admin), you could make the guy a NAT Captain...See if he works and if he doesnt demote to NAT..Then fire.

Loriel · #3 06-11-2004, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

I also suggest that you not hire developers

wtf ... ?

osrs · #4 06-11-2004, 09:35 PM

This is the stupidest thread i have ever seen on this forum.

Xecutor · #5 06-11-2004, 09:41 PM

Let em' do what they want, or let the PWA do their thang.

Deek2 · #6 06-11-2004, 10:18 PM

Yes, and while were at it, let's fire the staff we already have! Can't have people workin' for us after all!

G_yoshi · #7 06-11-2004, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by osrs

This is the stupidest thread i have ever seen on this forum.

You do understand what he is saying, correct? Though I've never seen it, I'm certain there are people desperate enough for help that they make such bizarre offers like places high up in the chain of command. That's not the way to go and the people that do this shouldn't be trying to run a playerworld to begin with. I have had a couple people that I had hired some time ago being to start asking for more rights. Everytime I said 'no' because that is not what I hired them for. If someone is going to help me with Doragon, they will do what it was I hired them for unless they have skills to do both what I originally hired them for and the other task(s) they request.

Crono · #8 06-11-2004, 10:53 PM

He's only trying to tell the newbies running servers to-do's and DONT DO THIS *****S!

How is this the stupidest thread? It's informative. :/

Lance · #9 06-11-2004, 11:01 PM

You still need to fix your sig, zokemon. It's too long. This is the last courtesy warning from me before I direct a supermod towards you. The limit is 300px tall, and the text in your sig takes up more space than that.

Scott · #10 06-12-2004, 12:10 AM

I agree with most points, but I also think playerworlds should be allowed to do whatever they want. Meh.

osrs · #11 06-12-2004, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by G_yoshi

You do understand what he is saying, correct? Though I've never seen it, I'm certain there are people desperate enough for help that they make such bizarre offers like places high up in the chain of command. That's not the way to go and the people that do this shouldn't be trying to run a playerworld to begin with. I have had a couple people that I had hired some time ago being to start asking for more rights. Everytime I said 'no' because that is not what I hired them for. If someone is going to help me with Doragon, they will do what it was I hired them for unless they have skills to do both what I originally hired them for and the other task(s) they request.

Does Lance ask for help offering Co-Manager at Graal2001? Does Konidias ask for help offering Admin at Oasis? No. They need help but won't act that way because they are not stupids. That's why i said that this is a stupid thread.

dlang · #12 06-12-2004, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by osrs

This is the stupidest thread i have ever seen on this forum.

I doubt that

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Originally Posted by Loriel

wtf ... ?

He means not immediately, like a person having to be staff for certain ammount of time before being able to tryout for Dev since its a high position.

Loriel · #13 06-12-2004, 01:10 PM

Uhm, so you rather have them work as GP or whatever before you let them develop stuff... ?

Milkdude99 · #14 06-12-2004, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott

I agree with most points, but I also think playerworlds should be allowed to do whatever they want. Meh.

That would be fine IF you actually owned the playerworld but you don't own anything. Graal owns it all you are just renting the time and space to develop your ideas to see if they will work in a gaming enviroment.You people really need to realize you don't own anything on Graal, the money you pay for a server is "Rent" nothing more and doesn't scratch the surface of what it would take to own it. With this said, this is why you will NEVER be allowed to just do anything you want on a PlayerWorld because it is still a reflection of Graal , good or bad not you.

Loriel · #15 06-12-2004, 03:12 PM

I disagree. Someone pays the rent, they should be left with all freedom they want. The part where your rules get into play is where you are the folks to decide whether something goes classic or not.
The GST does not go around UC PWs either and tells them to fix their script, they are only commented when the PW wants to go public.

dlang · #16 06-12-2004, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

Uhm, so you rather have them work as GP or whatever before you let them develop stuff... ?

No no no,

Developer is above LAT, NAT, etc.
Its a high staff position.

They should have experience on the server as a normal developing staff before being able to tryout for Developer.

matt8891 · #17 06-12-2004, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dlang

No no no,

Developer is above LAT, NAT, etc.
Its a high staff position.

They should have experience on the server as a normal developing staff before being able to tryout for Developer.

Hmm....Im going to try doing this for now on.

osrs · #18 06-12-2004, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dlang

I doubt that

Do you realise that people that give away high positions looking for future help never progress? I will repeat again, this thread is the stupidest i have ever seen, you can't just tell people what they should do or how to organize their own playerworld.

DarkShadows_Legend · #19 06-13-2004, 07:53 AM

Developer is above LAT, NAT GAT?

So you would have a developer like me tell someone like Kaimetsu or Zen what to do, if they were on the same staff team as me?

Destorm · #20 06-13-2004, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by osrs

Do you realise that people that give away high positions looking for future help never progress? I will repeat again, this thread is the stupidest i have ever seen, you can't just tell people what they should do or how to organize their own playerworld.

Theres me thinking it was advice (good advice at that).

Development has high skills in more then one area (i.e. scripting & graphics)
I would suggest NAT/LAT/GAT/SAT/Dev were all the same "level" of authority.

Loriel · #21 06-13-2004, 01:17 PM

Developer is not exactly a rank.

Crono · #22 06-13-2004, 01:26 PM

It is on some servers, Loriel. And I'm pretty sure it was on Babylon last year. I was one of them -_-

Crono · #23 06-13-2004, 01:28 PM

[QUOTE=Loriel]Someone pays the rent, they should be left with all freedom they want. QUOTE]

Should but aren't.

calum · #24 06-13-2004, 01:48 PM

If you rent a flat you have to agree to conditions and abide by the land-lords rules. The same thing happens when renting a playerworld.

Milkdude99 · #25 06-13-2004, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by calum

If you rent a flat you have to agree to conditions and abide by the land-lords rules. The same thing happens when renting a playerworld.

Exactly.... You can't do anything in this world without some rules you have to abide by. If you want complete freedom from rules I suggest a deserted Island somewhere but then again you still have rules of mother nature to contend with. So case in point there is nothing , absolutely nothing you can do in life that do not have rules in some shape or form. Complete freedom is a pipe dream so get used to them, you cannot escape rules. They will haunt you to the day you die.

ETD · #26 06-13-2004, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkShadows_Legend

Developer is above LAT, NAT GAT?

So you would have a developer like me tell someone like Kaimetsu or Zen what to do, if they were on the same staff team as me?

I think, by 'Developer' they also mean that, instead of doing spicific projects (like N/L/G-AT's), they would also plan the over-all direction of the server. So a Developer would not tell an NAT how to script, or something, but would tell them what they need scripted, and stuff like that. And yea, like Crono said, they'd need skill in 2 or 3 of the development areas...

I personally wouldn't use a rank such as 'developer' because it is not needed really... if the person is that good, might as well make them an admin or something...

Destorm · #27 06-13-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

Developer is not exactly a rank.

who decides what a "rank" is... its up to the pw owner/manager.

Loriel · #28 06-13-2004, 05:35 PM

Your ignorance is annoying.
Of course there are rules, I know that because I help enforcing them, but the amount of rules you want to enforce is ridiculous.

Malinko · #29 06-13-2004, 05:41 PM

I think Lance/Tseng told me, that on 2001/Bomy Moon, the position, "Developer" was used to cut down on LAT, NAT, and GAT, to give people with multi talents to help more. So the amount of Developers would cut down the other three positions. Something like that. Oh and, I think it was Lance/Tseng, it was some GST O_o.

WanDaMan · #30 06-13-2004, 05:49 PM

GST isn't really a rank either, just a selection of few people who have a better understanding of Graal Scripting than others, there job involves giving information on scripting which where they need Remote Control global access, for some obscure reason.

Whilst a Developer has a fair understanding of 3 or 2 of the 5 main development jobs on Graal (LAT, NAT, GAT, Sounds, Gani) instead of just 1, like GST.

Heck, Instead of having GST why not just make a whole development team out of the best people from the 5 ranks, i.e

Zen - Graphics
Kaimetsu (If he still plays, or Jagen) - Scripting?
etc?

At this specific moment in time it sounds to me like Developers are more Important than GST. No offence buds, some of you GST people are nice

Malinko · #31 06-13-2004, 05:53 PM

The only GST I know is LordZen and --Chris--. I know there are like two more, never seen them.

Loriel · #32 06-13-2004, 05:59 PM

That is GGT. GST is PS, R0bin, Jagen, Lance and me, last I checked.

Loriel · #33 06-13-2004, 05:59 PM

I am not nice.
That idea was turned down previously. Go check that old thread and reread it if it was not deleted for its utter stupidity.

Malinko · #34 06-13-2004, 06:01 PM

I see most of the GST do their job. Well three of them at least. I always see the two GGT I know do their job, PWA, I know one I want to slap the living **** out of =).

Edit: Wan for Global Levels Admin

WanDaMan · #35 06-13-2004, 06:02 PM

Sure, it's stupidity not having a development team but having an enclosed team full of the same type of people. Cmon what's the difference from you and Jagen?

Malinko · #36 06-13-2004, 06:06 PM

Unless you put PWA and a Development team together, maybe have like 5-10. But then that would be a weird thing to hire for O_o. *Shrugs*, I don't know what I'm saying.

WanDaMan · #37 06-13-2004, 06:11 PM

It wouldn't be wierd at all to hire people, just pick the people who stand out from the rest, the best.
Like
What's the difference between all GST? ono they all script differently? yeah sure..
There is no point in having 5 members of GST where they all do the same thing..

Malinko, don't start pointing people out, I'm just pointing out the stupidness of having a team of where they all do the same thing.

I understand about PWA, since they all have mixed opinions it's critical to have atleast 4 PWA members so they can all judge to there own point of view.

Malinko · #38 06-13-2004, 06:13 PM

One of the PWA is a big hypocrit, I can tell you that

. Who knows, globals don't interfere with me as much. But I can see what you mean by a development team.

WanDaMan · #39 06-13-2004, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Malinko

One of the PWA is a big hypocrit, I can tell you that

. Who knows, globals don't interfere with me as much. But I can see what you mean by a development team.

Everyone has opinions on globalls, this isn't the time to state them, from my past experiences I'd best not state them.

Atleast some one understands in having one big team full of different people instead of having one full of the same people, thankyou.

Malinko · #40 06-13-2004, 06:16 PM

It would be a lot easier. Yeah, I can see what you mean. Though, maybe like two people who do levels, two for scripts, two in graphics. Something like that, would probably be better.