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LegendaryTsukasa · #1 06-11-2004, 05:27 AM

Trigger Online:

Server in the process: 5% Finished

ScreenShots of Sample GFX

All GFX is copyright of Trigger Software, 2004.
Trigger Software, created by Tsu, Worm, and Ajira.

Date of Release is December, 20th (Estamation)

matt8891 · #2 06-11-2004, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryTsukasa

Trigger Online:

Server in the process: 5% Finished

ScreenShots of Sample GFX

All GFX is copyright of Tsu, 2004.

You guys should send e-mail to Spark saying you want to be reviewed for Hosted Tab server....The playerworld looks like it can handle it....And it HAS to be more than 5% finished.....ALOT of work is done there.

LegendaryTsukasa · #3 06-11-2004, 05:46 AM

That took us a little over 3 hours too make. Darn GFX is only a little complicated with PSP8.0

We started today, along with some of the stroy line, and the waypoint engine scripts. Our scripter is away for 2 months, and the entire server is basically GFX, and the complex as heck tileset will take us around three weeks to make sure there are no errors or bugs.

The server is difinatily only around 5% done.

Scott · #4 06-11-2004, 05:59 AM

It looks like you just ripped all the tiles to me. I mean, I know people who can do that style of pixel art... but I'm pretty sure they don't loaf around Graal. Also, why the hell would you zoom in, save them, then paste them in a level you planned to show us?

D1ce2 · #5 06-11-2004, 09:29 AM

hehe all looks stolen || crap

Crono · #6 06-11-2004, 12:11 PM

You ripped all the graphics from Chrono Trigger, how could the Global GFX team let you get away with that?

brock128 · #7 06-11-2004, 12:18 PM

It's sure fitting with TRIGGER online. 3 hours my butt - You took all that junk from Chrono Trigger.

Brad · #8 06-11-2004, 12:58 PM

Stop Thief
Scoundrel
Outrage
Vandal

Crono · #9 06-11-2004, 01:41 PM

Hell that dragon on top of the castle like thing is an edit of Magus' castle. Please don't make me bring in Chrono Trigger screenshots.

My name isn't Crono for nothing

D1ce2 · #10 06-11-2004, 02:05 PM

GGT told era to change there core cola vending machine because he font was the same as cola's o.o

LegendaryTsukasa · #11 06-11-2004, 02:28 PM

Indeed, some of the core grafics were from CT, but, if you did not notice, we are changing the grafics as so they are not the same as those ones. Please try to look a lot closer before opening your mouth(s).

Crono · #12 06-11-2004, 03:19 PM

IT DOESNT MATTER! You have CHRONO TRIGGER GRAPHICS (slightly edited or not) ON YOUR SERVER WHICH IS ILLEGAL.

No one gives a crap if you edited them, are going to change them in the future, or anything like that, YOU HAVE/HAD ILLEGAL FILES UPLOADED AND TO MAKE IT WORST COPYRIGHTED IT TO YOURSELF. (they're not really copyrighted to any of you, you just said that so no one will "steal". Hypocrites :])

Some of the files even have CT_ in their names. CT stands for Chrono Trigger.

This server is online right?

Either way, I took screenshots of the real gfx from the actual game and put it next to yours. Not only can I point out the gfx you stole, for the ones im too lazy to get to I can tell you WHERE!

That left dragon statue thingy is in Magus' castle I believe. Those trees are from the ending of Chrono Trigger. You know, where they have a celebration in Leene's Square etc.

LegendaryTsukasa · #13 06-11-2004, 04:02 PM

Gerami.

1) Global staff won't mind if the GFX is edited. That is because, as long as they look differen't from the orignals, it is not the GFX.
2)"HAD ILLEGAL FILES UPLOADED AND TO MAKE IT WORST COPYRIGHTED IT TO YOURSELF." Ahem, as long as they are edited, they are my and my friends GFX. So, it isn't really illegal. And If you go to many servers, you will find edited GFX from games.
3)No, the server is not online. Why waste my money with a server, that has complicated Scripts and or GFX, in which I won't finish them in the time given too me. Just stupid.

Chrono, you really need to go do something, instead of attempting to flame people, for using game GFX as the base for other peoples key GFX too a server. that will infact change Graal. The concepts and the scripts are differen't from all other servers currently online. Please go try to be intelligent somewhere else.

And I can make GFX like that anyways, but I needed a base for it. So don't jump too conclusions. You do not want too get hurt son.

Crono · #14 06-11-2004, 04:04 PM

That Magus tower is really an edit. Yup. -coughs nothing changed coughs-

If we were allowed to edit graphics then why is Zen getting Era to change it's coke machines? Because the whole coke signature is a trademark, you cant even change it to "Core Cola" and get away with it.

You seriously have problems if you think that you can rip graphics from a very popular game, slightly edit them, and then call it a server. I have nothing more to say.

LegendaryTsukasa · #15 06-11-2004, 04:05 PM

Yes, you are correct. I accidently posted that by accident. That was supposted too be a differen't GFX picture. We won't be using that in the server. That just looked cool while I was playing it. xD

darkreign3 · #16 06-11-2004, 04:26 PM

God just stop fighting.... The GFX look the same all you did was change tohe colors a little ..... i dont care if you do it so just let it be

Destorm · #17 06-11-2004, 04:30 PM

wow how to gain respect for a server...

darkreign3 · #18 06-11-2004, 04:39 PM

Who let the monkey out? i thought someone lockedup destorm

LegendaryTsukasa · #19 06-11-2004, 06:54 PM

I'm not sure why anyways is upset over it. Anyone could make GFX like this, we just happen to be doing it first. The fact that we are using this as a base for the key GFX doesn't mean that we are going to use all CT GFX. Were only using those GFX because of the theme of the server, which I think you would all like anyways.

Dach · #20 06-11-2004, 06:57 PM

Umm... right

lame

LordZen · #21 06-11-2004, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryTsukasa

Trigger Online:

Server in the process: 5% Finished

ScreenShots of Sample GFX

All GFX is copyright of Trigger Software, 2004.
Trigger Software, created by Tsu, Worm, and Ajira.

Date of Release is December, 20th (Estamation)

Ok. First of all, you cant own a copyright to anything you upload to GraalOnline. If you do, you are forfeiting those rights the moment its uploaded.

Those graphics are not acceptable. You cant rip work belonging to another company and attempt to grant GraalOnline ownership rights to it.

I tried to find Trigger Online, but I only found Trigger. Is that yours? It looks nothing like those screenshots. So as far as I can tell those are not online currently; but if they are, remove them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryTsukasa

And If you go to many servers, you will find edited GFX from games.

Yes, please, show me where all these images are, scattered around the servers, which are comparable and indemnifies your project's work.

I tell you, just because there is something online that shouldnt be there, does not mean that I am condoning it, I just am not aware of it yet. Thats WHY I have to go around continuously looking for things which shouldn't be there, every server has the potential of uploading new, unacceptable material every second of any day. There is easily over 100 servers currently online, not fun.

Ok, and yes I am having Era remove the Core Cola soda machine images, for trademark infringement. I will cite the same documentation as I did to them, and as was recorded in the GGT forum area. This will apply somewhat to the current topic.

Quote:

Taken from http://www.bitlaw.com

The elements for a successful trademark infringement claim have been well established under both federal and state case law. In a nutshell, a plaintiff in a trademark case has the burden of proving that the defendant's use of a mark has created a likelihood-of-confusion about the origin of the defendant's goods or services. To do this, the plaintiff should first show that it has developed a protectable trademark right in a trademark. The plaintiff then must show that the defendant is using a confusingly similar mark in such a way that it creates a likelihood of confusion, mistake and/or deception with the consuming public. The confusion created can be that the defendant's products are the same as that of the plaintiff, or that the defendant is somehow associated, affiliated, connected, approved, authorized or sponsored by plaintiff.

Its also important to note some cases involving trademark infringement:

RadioShack vs. PhoneShack
Warner Brothers vs. a site using "@cme"
Toys-R-Us vs. Roadkill-R-Us

Crono · #22 06-11-2004, 07:38 PM

Zen, I recommend taking a look at my attachments on the first page. They clearly show that it was ripped, incase you need evidence :/

Chrono Trigger is like my favourite game, I'm not going to let some dude rip graphics from it.

LegendaryTsukasa · #23 06-11-2004, 07:38 PM

You fail to realize that we havn't uploaded them too Graal yet.
You also fail to realize, that We are changing the look of everything, there fore, it is not the same GFX.
Also, On Delteria, they use the laugh used in both FF3 and Chrono Tigger. The MHX guild house has music from it. Can you tell me that those would be fine, but edited base GFX from Chrono Trigger is wrong? (Goodjob.)
If needed, I'll ask for permission from Squaresoft, which I probably won't get. Further more, A Graal server based on Chrono Trigger, with a Zelda type elements aded in, would be a very good server. The base GFX is being changed, so you really have nothing to worry about.

Please go, and try to be intelligent, somewhere else.

zokemon · #24 06-11-2004, 07:48 PM

Are you saying if I steal an img from a game and convert it to 256 colors and then back to 24-bit it will no longer be thiers?
The colors are different there for it being "edited".
You reasoning is wrong my friend.
And also it clearly states that all property on Graalonline.com (meaning on rc file manager) is sole property of "Copyright (C) 1998-2004 Linux cyberjoueurs All Rights Reserved."

D1ce2 · #25 06-11-2004, 07:51 PM

HAHAHAHA
How dare you call Crono (I'm assuming your nick?) a bastard, you've just been owned you thiefs!!
har har.

Crono · #26 06-11-2004, 08:02 PM

Making a server like Chrono Trigger would own, as a matter of fact I would play it. However highly editing graphics is just wrong.

That laugh on Delteria, everyone knew it was from Chrono Trigger.

As for the midi's i dont know if you're right or wrong but the forest and un-released "singing mountain" song or whatever sound a lot like that MHX one. Either way midi's are now hosted on different sites so it shouldnt matter. Or so I think.

LegendaryTsukasa · #27 06-11-2004, 11:51 PM

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Are you saying if I steal an img from a game and convert it to 256 colors and then back to 24-bit it will no longer be thiers?

Notice how I said that the server was only 5% done? This means, we have a very small part of the GFX bases, and we need to edit them soon. Not, "THSI IS TEH GRAIFX WREE GUNNA UES!" And if you look in the ScreenShot, it says, "Not all GFX will be used Online" X.x

Gerami. as I said, we are making a CT like server. I can't make GFX that good right from scratch, so too make it have a CT feel, I needed some base GFX. The tile set were making/editing right now, will not be like CT...which is hard sense there are over 15 Tile sets for CT, and they are placed at random. I'm glad you would play a server like CT, you might like it.

Too make everything short, and too stop the evil flaming, of something that was never inteeded to be a flaming type thread: These are only the Base GFX that we will use to give the server a CT like feel. They will be edited so they are not what they are in the game. You could picture them in the game, which is what we want, but they won't look as if they were in the game. (If that doesn't make sense, I'll go on in more detail.

Deek2 · #28 06-12-2004, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryTsukasa

Indeed, some of the core grafics were from CT, but, if you did not notice, we are changing the grafics as so they are not the same as those ones. Please try to look a lot closer before opening your mouth(s).

......What? Dude, there is nothing in your first posts that says anything that has to do with stealing and Chrono Trigger. Maybe you should look a little bit closer.

LordZen · #29 06-12-2004, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryTsukasa

You fail to realize that we havn't uploaded them too Graal yet.
You also fail to realize, that We are changing the look of everything, there fore, it is not the same GFX.

??

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordZen

So as far as I can tell those are not online currently

I told you to remove those images if they are online specifically, because I realized that they probably weren't...

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryTsukasa

Also, On Delteria, they use the laugh used in both FF3 and Chrono Tigger. The MHX guild house has music from it. Can you tell me that those would be fine, but edited base GFX from Chrono Trigger is wrong? (Goodjob.)

No I dont think I ever told you that about the music, considering I didnt even know about them

. I can tell you that edited "base" GFX from Chrono Trigger is not acceptable, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryTsukasa

If needed, I'll ask for permission from Squaresoft, which I probably won't get.

Oh, no need to worry about that, I'm not going to let you use them at all, regardless.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryTsukasa

Further more, A Graal server based on Chrono Trigger, with a Zelda type elements aded in, would be a very good server. The base GFX is being changed, so you really have nothing to worry about.

Great! I'm not against you making a fun server, I really dont care as long as you dont use or edit gfx that dont belong to you. The only argument being created here is of you trying to defend that practice.

The point is: If you do insist on using stolen stuff, edited or not, you will not be allowed to advance to the Hosted Tab, and the images will be forcefully removed. If you still insist on not following the rules, perhaps greater steps will have to be taken to deter you from being insubordinate?

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryTsukasa

Please go, and try to be intelligent, somewhere else.

lol

LegendaryTsukasa · #30 06-12-2004, 01:37 AM

Ok, heres an example of an edit...

LordZen · #31 06-12-2004, 03:59 AM

I guess you dont understand. Its not gonna happen. And the origin is still perfectly obvious.

darkreign3 · #32 06-12-2004, 04:27 AM

You need to change more then jsut the colors -_- make them look better

Mykel · #33 06-12-2004, 05:22 AM

Hahahhaha. That edit made me laugh. I actually had to look twice to see a difference.

Are you freaking serious guy?
First of all, you posted the GFX, KNOWING they were ripped, and hoping that noone would find out. How do I know that? Because you would have said it in the first place if you thought there was nothing wrong with what you are doing.

Crono · #34 06-12-2004, 12:43 PM

Tsu, I think even my little brother would be able to tell that that "edited" teleporter is from Chrono Trigger. And he doesn't even play it.

Oh and please do post more of your graphics, I do feel like running Chrono Trigger and taking more screenshots of what you ripped.

LegendaryTsukasa · #35 06-13-2004, 12:18 AM

Heres how I see it.

You people are attacking me because I ripped some Chrono Trigger GFX. Your saying that anyone could see that I did. Is that supposted too make me cry or something? I'm not hiding the fact that I ripped the base GFX. The server is entirerly based around Chrono Trigger, and so taking the GFX and editing them too make it seem like CT, is understandable-if you're not a complete *****-and When you take that, and upload them onto a test Graal level, they look similar, but you can clearing see the differences. That's actually what I'm looking for. Your stupid attacks and talling me "ANYONE CNA SEE TAT U RIPPEDED TEH GFX" it what I want them too look like, but also that you can see the changes. That's how CT is, and that's how TO is.

And because you can all see the GFX edit clearly, your proving my point, that they are infact, differen't GFX, with the some attrs.

Thank you for your comments.

Darlene159 · #36 06-13-2004, 12:35 AM

Wow, this thread is almost funny

LegendaryTsukasa · #37 06-13-2004, 01:13 AM

Moonie, you're comment was not needed.

Crono · #38 06-13-2004, 01:15 AM

Neither was your thread.
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You said that we think you'll be scared and stuffs by saying you ripped graphics? No, but some of us get upset because

1) You're ripping gfx. Thats just plain wrong.

2) WE DONT WANT TO SEE THE SERVER PASSED SINCE WE KNOW IT HAS RIPPED GRPAHICS.

3) Chrono Trigger is too leet to die in the hands of you.

4) You copyrighted the damn images that you ripped and edited. Wtf is wrong with you?

LegendaryTsukasa · #39 06-13-2004, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Neither was your thread.
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You said that we think you'll be scared and stuffs by saying you ripped graphics? No, but some of us get upset because

1) You're ripping gfx. Thats just plain wrong.

2) WE DONT WANT TO SEE THE SERVER PASSED SINCE WE KNOW IT HAS RIPPED GRPAHICS.

3) Chrono Trigger is too leet to die in the hands of you.

4) You copyrighted the damn images that you ripped and edited. Wtf is wrong with you?

Responce:

1) People rip GFX all the time. It's pretty common.

2) What if you happen too like it? You can say you don;t, but what if you really did?

3) I was playing CT before you were born kid. I used to live, breathe, and eat CT all day.

4) I copyrighted them, because so-too often, people on the fourms will take GFX and make them their own, without edits.

Crono · #40 06-13-2004, 01:56 AM

I was playing CT before you were born kid. I used to live, breathe, and eat CT all day.

I'm 16, I'm pretty sure such a nice game came out in 1987 :]