Pirate Crews and Captains

[TooManyK9s]

Originally Posted by GoldSri

I miss Cecelia Di <3<3<3

I do so miss being Cecelia and having my daughter play side by side with me. We were such a good team. There were good times and good friends, who didn't expect much from a 10 year old player. I was such a good role player that Ziro didn't even believe that I was an adult. My son didn't want anyone to know his mom was playing so I played as his sister. When Ziro decided to demote me I even gave him my drivers license number to prove I was an adult. He lived in the same state so that wouldn't be hard for him to look it up. He still didn't believe or care to keep me. It might have been he just wanted his personal friends to be Captain. I role played a 10 yr. so well that he said I wasn't qualified to stay a captain and have all those rights, for that I was too young. Ha ha he was the same age as my son. So who says that I can't handle rights. He says I can't role play, if so then I fooled all. Really I did have to be careful as my child watched my every move. In a way people were respectful to me as a 10 yr. GoGetter was my first account I then saw that the game was safe for her to play on her own. I decided she could play alone. At that time Ziro had demoted the GoGetter account and therefore Cecelia Di had left the kingdom. My daughter played for some weeks then she stopped playing and now the GoGetter acct. is idle.
I started up TooManyK9s as a new acct. and played as an adult. Ziro thought I was another player. He saw I had many house's and a well run shop on the Pirate Island. He approached me and asked if I would leave Dustari and come run the shops as Trade Master. I did and then worked my way back up to Captain with all the rights he thought I couldn't handle. I did need some training and Ziro was patient. I didn't need to work hard to get a full crew, it seemed fun. What is needed is some type of motivation. To have a feeling of challenge to get into a superior crew where you need to meet requirements to qualify. I told the members that they had to pass three tests to be in my crew. Two of which were: to find their way through the dungeon to CP. Island and the other was fight wild pet monsters and not die. I can't remember the third. One Crew member who was gung ho was Dehitay who is a fine example of a captain today. Another crew member was believe it or not Kerith. I was and am very proud of me old crew members. Forming a full crew can be fun. There is limited time left, May 12, I believe and I haven't seen Calias (Eld) does someone have his E-mail it tell him?

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally Posted by TooManyK9s

I was such a good role player that Ziro didn't even believe that I was an adult.

Maybe you should have learned to roleplay as a Pirate0 instead of a 10 year old girl playing a computer game.

Originally Posted by TooManyK9s

When Ziro decided to demote me I even gave him my drivers license number to prove I was an adult. He lived in the same state so that wouldn't be hard for him to look it up. He still didn't believe or care to keep me. It might have been he just wanted his personal friends to be Captain.

All wrong. You weren't demoted. The ranks and rights were changed. Councilmen (one of the highest ranks) were put as Captains, but given the same rights as before. Captains didn't have these rights before. Therefore, the rank Captain had true value during my Governorship. They actually had *gasp* rights to manage their own crews. Alisa (TooManyK9s) was not a councilman. Thus, she was not kept as a Captain. All the previous Captains were temporarily put in a rank right below Captains. Same for the First Mates. It was made clear that this was also only temporary. However, Alisa doesn't keep up with things as you can see (she doesn't even know how to use the forums), and she instantly was upset and quit. I had no hard feelings over it and was happy to see her go- this was a "Pirate" who'd go around on tag saying "lol". Her RPing improved when she'd annoyingly call everyone "lad".

Originally Posted by TooManyK9s

I started up TooManyK9s as a new acct. and played as an adult. Ziro thought I was another player. He saw I had many house's and a well run shop on the Pirate Island. He approached me and asked if I would leave Dustari and come run the shops as Trade Master. I did and then worked my way back up to Captain with all the rights he thought I couldn't handle.

You didn't fool me into working your way up to Captain. You instantly told me you were GoGetter. I gave you a chance to prove yourself as a worthy member and let you be Captain (since you seemed to be a dedicated member and all)- a big mistake. You've continuously seemed to give the leadership the same problem- quitting and then coming back (as we can see in forum posts by MarkB).

Learn to let threads die. Read the dates. I didn't want to respond- but you just continued mentioning me.

Furthermore, again, you're wrong. People were not randomly becoming Captains. You may see it as such because you were a long time member, but never a good RPer. Gozelda is an excellent RPer. He earned his Pirate rank fairly. Other people with ranks and rights had good balance of PvP skills and RPing. They all proved their worthyness. There wasn't much competition either- the kingdom was kind of small due to people not liking our STANDARD RP rules (be RPing while on RP tag).

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

Captains didn't have these rights before. Therefore, the rank Captain had true value during my Governorship. They actually had *gasp* rights to manage their own crews. Alisa (TooManyK9s) was not a councilman. Thus, she was not kept as a Captain.

She actually does well in leadership/administrative rolls, hence she is First Lady of CP now, much higher than a Captian.

All the previous Captains were temporarily put in a rank right below Captains. Same for the First Mates. It was made clear that this was also only temporary. However, Alisa doesn't keep up with things as you can see (she doesn't even know how to use the forums), and she instantly was upset and quit.

I gave you a chance to prove yourself as a worthy member and let you be Captain (since you seemed to be a dedicated member and all)- a big mistake. You've continuously seemed to give the leadership the same problem- quitting and then coming back (as we can see in forum posts by MarkB).

Kerith left twice, just as Alisa did. He's the Assistant Governor now. Many more have left as well during Mark's reign.

Gozelda is an excellent RPer. He earned his Pirate rank fairly. Other people with ranks and rights had good balance of PvP skills and RPing. They all proved their worthyness.

Um, okay, I will choose to say nothing instead of something not nice.

There wasn't much competition either- the kingdom was kind of small due to people not liking our STANDARD RP rules (be RPing while on RP tag).

Dustari didn't have trouble with our above standard rules

Do I need to remind you when you declared Dustari and all the other kingdom's 'non existant' to CP and threatened to punish any pirates rping with us?

I don't think that was in the rp standards rule book.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Um, okay, I will choose to say nothing instead of something not nice.

You did say something- and it wasn't nice since it was a waste of space and time.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Do I need to remind you when you declared Dustari and all the other kingdom's 'non existant' to CP and threatened to punish any pirates rping with us?

I don't think that was in the rp standards rule book.

You don't know what you're talking about. I didn't threaten to punish Pirates RPing with you all. Also, please stop trying to use this whole "isolation" policy as the only point for you to say I'm a bad leader. This was not the basis of the RPing. This only came in later after we were already doing well (after we brought in good RPers, and the PvP-only non-RPers were washed away because they didn't want to stay).

You shouldn't have a say in either of these topics anyways (including the one about Gozelda). If you're hinting that he's a bad RPer- look to yourself first. You're the one who, roleplaying as a king (which you'd expect to have more intelligence than a pirate), couldn't grasp the concept (OOC nor IC) of my character being chased off of the crescent island and having no time nor concern to hand over the wearhouse keys in a "civilized" manner. Yeah, right... a dirty, crude, vulgar pirate is forced away from his home and out of governorship of the island by his own people and he's going to turn back and say "Oh yeah, here's the keys...items...possessions and all that will help you govern the island. Good luck." You're also the one who refered to the kingdom and/or island as "CP" (exactly like that) in character. And people such as you say I was some kind of dictator of RPing- you're dictating the story/RPing of Graal by saying "CP" IC (it's forcing the belief that the language characters speak is "English"... gee, I wonder where that originated from... a place called England [sounds similar to the language]? Where that? North of Dustari?). RPing really just takes common sense

Originally Posted by Dehitay

I'm not entirely sure if you understand what you just said
when something comes "hand in hand" that means they always come together
in this case, a good leader would be a good RPer
and a good RPer would be a good leader

They come hand-in-hand... A good leader (of an RP group) is not a good leader (of an RP group) unless he or she can RP well. If a person cannot RP well, he or she can never be a good leader for an RPing kingdom.
It reminds of a confusion I had with a friend regarding a part of the background story of Lord of the Rings- it ended with him laughing and saying "It would be hilarious if the high leader of the Elves was only like 1/9 Elf" (that's basically just another point of a leader not having qualities that make up the essense of the group...).

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

You don't know what you're talking about. I didn't threaten to punish Pirates RPing with you all. Also, please stop trying to use this whole "isolation" policy as the only point for you to say I'm a bad leader.

I bring it up as it is a point where you went from moderate lunacy into off the deep end lunacy.

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=50137

Anyone RPing with a Dustarian, would be breaking your own RP rules.

This was not the basis of the RPing. This only came in later after we were already doing well (after we brought in good RPers, and the PvP-only non-RPers were washed away because they didn't want to stay).

People hated it. I remember it clearly. Everyone wanted Dustari to support someone, anyone to replace you. People didn't hate RPing they hated your freaky brand of it.

You shouldn't have a say in either of these topics anyways (including the one about Gozelda). If you're hinting that he's a bad RPer- look to yourself first. You're the one who, roleplaying as a king (which you'd expect to have more intelligence than a pirate), couldn't grasp the concept (OOC nor IC) of my character being chased off of the crescent island and having no time nor concern to hand over the wearhouse keys in a "civilized" manner. Yeah, right... a dirty, crude, vulgar pirate is forced away from his home and out of governorship of the island by his own people and he's going to turn back and say "Oh yeah, here's the keys...items...possessions and all that will help you govern the island. Good luck."

If you have passed judgment upon me then I guess I shouldn't post in the forums at all.
Actually, you fail to understand in good rping you need to satify both ic and ooc elements - not just act immaturely, then blame it on 'oh, that's how my character is' later when you don't want to fess up that in fact, you acted that way due being upset out of character.

You're also the one who refered to the kingdom and/or island as "CP" (exactly like that) in character. And people such as you say I was some kind of dictator of RPing- you're dictating the story/RPing of Graal by saying "CP" IC (it's forcing the belief that the language characters speak is "English"... gee, I wonder where that originated from... a place called England [sounds similar to the language]? Where that? North of Dustari?). RPing really just takes common sense

...I'll tell anyone who has ever signed an RP letter with their initals instead of name that the Emperor has spoken and he is not happy.

Did you even read this before you posted? This is exactly the sort of thing I dislike - spur of the moment critizisms on the RPing of others, derived not due to observing of bad RPing, but out of a grudge, and some how turning it into 'lolol, Padren thinks England is in northing Dustari so he can't have an opinion lololol'

I can't believe you said using initials is out of character. Then you went on with that England tangent thinking it was somehow....a reasonable argument.

signed - PTS (Oh wait I mean GKX cause its more ic and non-englishy )

They come hand-in-hand... A good leader (of an RP group) is not a good leader (of an RP group) unless he or she can RP well. If a person cannot RP well, he or she can never be a good leader for an RPing kingdom.
It reminds of a confusion I had with a friend regarding a part of the background story of Lord of the Rings- it ended with him laughing and saying "It would be hilarious if the high leader of the Elves was only like 1/9 Elf" (that's basically just another point of a leader not having qualities that make up the essense of the group...).

Theory is meaningless if you can look at someone and see clear as that they would be a terrible, terrible leader. You can't derive 'and thus, so and so must be a good leader due to these other factors.

If I see the guy RP someday, maybe I'll evaluate if he is any good. Until that day, I won't make any judgement other than in my experience to date, when he gets ticked off, he doesn't handle it in a mature manner, which is required for RPing under stressful conditions, as well as leadership.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

I bring it up as it is a point where you went from moderate lunacy into off the deep end lunacy.

That is simply your own opinion.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

People hated it. I remember it clearly. Everyone wanted Dustari to support someone, anyone to replace you. People didn't hate RPing they hated your freaky brand of it.

I had no freaky brand of it. Be more specific when you say "it". I said already- that whole isolation act was just a small part of my term as Governorship. I did much more and was around for a much longer time than that minor period.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Actually, you fail to understand in good rping you need to satify both ic and ooc elements - not just act immaturely, then blame it on 'oh, that's how my character is' later when you don't want to fess up that in fact, you acted that way due being upset out of character.

You need to learn how to RP. Some things need to be discussed on OOC terms. The fact is that I was referring to a situation where we were speaking IC and you ridiculously expected me to HELP the people that WRONGFULLY removed me and committed treason against me. Even OOC this is ridiculous, but it would be better to discuss these things on OOC terms. Now do you understand why people use parenthesis while they're on kingdom tags? Or maybe you don't since kingdom members such as those in your kingdom are allowed to be OOC all the time and do (practically) whatever the hell they want under the name of your kingdom.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

...I'll tell anyone who has ever signed an RP letter with their initals instead of name that the Emperor has spoken and he is not happy.

You're avoiding the point. Don't debate if you can't even adress things correctly. Referring to the pirate kingdom as "CP" and the Samurai kingdom as "KJ" in RPing is simply ridiculous. No one said anything about attacking every person who uses initials for their names (which something completely different- it's initials and NOT acronyms). I was merely pointing out how you're not a very good RPer.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Did you even read this before you posted? This is exactly the sort of thing I dislike - spur of the moment critizisms on the RPing of others, derived not due to observing of bad RPing, but out of a grudge, and some how turning it into 'lolol, Padren thinks England is in northing Dustari so he can't have an opinion lololol'

I read it before posting. You should consider more of the things you say and argue. You're a very self-contradicting person. What I said about your RPing came from observing you RP and RPing with you. I simply went by facts.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

I can't believe you said using initials is out of character. Then you went on with that England tangent thinking it was somehow....a reasonable argument.

signed - PTS (Oh wait I mean GKX cause its more ic and non-englishy )

Don't believe it. I never said it. I was referring to an acronym of a kingdom's name- not the initials of someone's name. You're showing how ridiculous you can be by trying to quote me in a way I do not speak nor type. "lolol, Padren thinks England is in northing Dustari so he can't have an opinion lololol"? Who talks like that? Also, try using quotations next time and not putting apostrophes on the ends of the "quote".

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Theory is meaningless if you can look at someone and see clear as that they would be a terrible, terrible leader. You can't derive 'and thus, so and so must be a good leader due to these other factors.

If I see the guy RP someday, maybe I'll evaluate if he is any good. Until that day, I won't make any judgement other than in my experience to date, when he gets ticked off, he doesn't handle it in a mature manner, which is required for RPing under stressful conditions, as well as leadership.

Read-->Think-->Post
I didn't say that a good RPer makes a good leader. I said a person cannot be a good leader unless he or she is a good RPer.

This thread should have died a long time ago. Why... oh why... was it revived? Arguing is no fun.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

That is simply your own opinion.

...and the general concensus of people in your kingdom.

I had no freaky brand of it. Be more specific when you say "it". I said already- that whole isolation act was just a small part of my term as Governorship. I did much more and was around for a much longer time than that minor period.

Uh, re read sentence - the term 'rping' was used a few words before. You have a freaky brand of RPing. I think I was clear.

You need to learn how to RP. Some things need to be discussed on OOC terms. The fact is that I was referring to a situation where we were speaking IC and you ridiculously expected me to HELP the people that WRONGFULLY removed me and committed treason against me. Even OOC this is ridiculous, but it would be better to discuss these things on OOC terms.

You need to learn how to RP.
You removed people who tried to talk to you OOC about the horrible job you were doing.
Second, if you thought you were removed wrongly and that you'd be restored - why did you drop those keys? It only served to harm the kingdom.
Truth is, that act has purely one of retribution out of character. If you are honest with yourself, you'll see it as clearly as everyone else.

Now do you understand why people use parenthesis while they're on kingdom tags? Or maybe you don't since kingdom members such as those in your kingdom are allowed to be OOC all the time and do (practically) whatever the hell they want under the name of your kingdom.

I do believe we have the strongest RP standards in GK. Dustari's members are excellent people. Don't talk down to me about RPing, I am certian I have a lot more experience with the beast than you.

You're avoiding the point. Don't debate if you can't even adress things correctly. Referring to the pirate kingdom as "CP" and the Samurai kingdom as "KJ" in RPing is simply ridiculous. No one said anything about attacking every person who uses initials for their names (which something completely different- it's initials and NOT acronyms). I was merely pointing out how you're not a very good RPer.

I do not always spell out KJ and CP in character, though I do during events generally. Its a fair enough point in it self, but I wouldn't say it makes a bad RPer. Between choosing to RP with someone that used abreviations or someone who at one time totally barred his kingdom from RPing with others - I'll choose mr abbreviations.

I read it before posting. You should consider more of the things you say and argue. You're a very self-contradicting person. What I said about your RPing came from observing you RP and RPing with you. I simply went by facts.
Don't believe it. I never said it. I was referring to an acronym of a kingdom's name- not the initials of someone's name. You're showing how ridiculous you can be by trying to quote me in a way I do not speak nor type. "lolol, Padren thinks England is in northing Dustari so he can't have an opinion lololol"? Who talks like that? Also, try using quotations next time and not putting apostrophes on the ends of the "quote".

I am in the habit of using apostrophies in place of quotes because in 'PMs' you can't use normal quotes without it breaking words line by line. Is it really that big of a problem for you?

You and I have not RPed outside of the time you met with me in Zehn wanting to get added to Dustari after you got booted out of CP.

Don't jump on me about the differences of a player's initials and a kingdom's initials - you claimed, that using initials at all, implies that we are using English, and controlling the RP fates of all the kingdoms. Read what you wrote.

Its one of the dumbest arguements to touch these forums. I mean, seriously - you complained about the initials of the C and P would denote that in the language spoken on GK, that the written words would have to then start with a C for crescent and a P for pirates. Thus, I was 'forcing' you to RP that it was an english based world.

Why did you write that? Its completely insane. It makes no sense. It's like saying the letters s-w-o-r-&-d to form a word for sharp pointy things is some how bad RPing. Hence, I am glad you have no power in a kingdom to punish 'bad rpers'

Read-->Think-->Post
I didn't say that a good RPer makes a good leader. I said a person cannot be a good leader unless he or she is a good RPer.

We live in a world of comparisions and lesser evils, and shades of gray. It is better to have a strong leader with weak RP skills than a weak leader with strong RP skills.
It is best to have someone strong in both, but in reality, you deal with people who have a range of skill, from 1-10, in both leadership, and seperately in RPing.
As long as they can hold their own RPing, then I can't see a problem with a strong leader leading a kingdom.

This thread should have died a long time ago. Why... oh why... was it revived? Arguing is no fun.

You insulted Alisa about 12 times in one post. You treated her like a child, and one you could berate at your whim.

She had a different view than your rosy rendition of how 'things where in your day' and you were very vile in response.



Be kinder.

[TooManyK9s]

Originally Posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

Learn to let threads die. Read the dates. I didn't want to respond- but you just continued

Hummmm.... did I see six posts from Ziro on this very thread after he said this? Does someone have the need to argue and complain.... ALL THE TIME? Does this make a good a good captain? I thought this thread was about captains and there crews? Is Ziro a captain or even in the Pirate Kingdom? Who cares that he even role plays he is not even in a kingdom. I haven't ever seen him role play as pirate either. Who cares that I wanted to be a young pirate female. "Ziro show us how to role play a 10 year old pirate girl." Is there rules on how this is done? "Show us your stuff"

Furthermore I rarely use lol to laugh, I use *he he.* I only asked you that if I wanted to use lol why is that a reason to be kicked from the kingdom. Reasons like this is were why the members rose up against you.

I wonder if there will be another post from Ziro???????? over and over the same old thing.