New Guild....

Matman58 · #1 04-26-2004, 04:02 AM

Ok I honestly don't know where to put this so I will put it here and see if it gets moved....

I personally have been thinking about Final Fantasy VII a lot lately and with the new movie being made I just think about the game even more. I was wondering if any fellow graalians would like recreate ShinRa Inc. Guild and actually be active within it. I think it would be fun. I almost thought of get PW Space and making the entire FFVII world....I would hire graphics people to make my tileset and all. I don't know....the options are endless but I was wanting to know if anyone would want to be apart of this guild and then we will go from there....post your comments or msg me on aim at MattJ56.

Matman58 · #2 04-26-2004, 04:36 AM

Well I have created the guild...just need 10 people to join. So feel free to apply for the guild and join. I am hoping to get some true RPers

Guild Name: ShinRa Inc

Minoc · #3 04-26-2004, 08:00 AM

There was a guild called Shinra Inc. 3 years ago. :X

davidpsy · #4 04-26-2004, 08:23 AM

And doesnt this violate many copyright laws?

Minoc · #5 04-26-2004, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by davidpsy

And doesnt this violate many copyright laws?

Seriously, I doubt Square would care that someone created a guild with a trademarked name. ^_^

davidpsy · #6 04-26-2004, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoc

Seriously, I doubt Square would care that someone created a guild with a trademarked name. ^_^

Yes but I think they WOULD care if he was too "get PW Space and making the entire FFVII world....I would hire graphics people to make my tileset and all."

Minoc · #7 04-26-2004, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by davidpsy

Yes but I think they WOULD care if he was too "get PW Space and making the entire FFVII world....I would hire graphics people to make my tileset and all."

That part would be bad. :X

Matman58 · #8 04-26-2004, 03:57 PM

Yea good point....blah scratch that I guess....please support the guild. I think it would be fun.

Thallen · #9 04-26-2004, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by davidpsy

And doesnt this violate many copyright laws?

No, considering his guild's name is "ShinRa Inc." and in Final Fantasy VII is it called "Shinra Inc." WIN.

davidpsy · #10 04-26-2004, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Thallen

No, considering his guild's name is "ShinRa Inc." and in Final Fantasy VII is it called "Shinra Inc." WIN.

Uhh dude thats the exact same lettering except the R is captial in one...

Neoreno · #11 04-26-2004, 09:00 PM

Actually. It was ShinRa Inc. in the game.

Besides, my cousin owned a guild such as this a little while ago, deleted for copyright issues.

DarkShadows_Legend · #12 04-26-2004, 09:02 PM

Just remove the Inc.

Thallen · #13 04-26-2004, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by davidpsy

Uhh dude thats the exact same lettering except the R is captial in one...

And? Is there a difference? Yes.

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Originally Posted by Neoreno

Actually. It was ShinRa Inc. in the game.

Besides, my cousin owned a guild such as this a little while ago, deleted for copyright issues.

Actually, no. It was Shinra, as a title, and "Shin-Ra" in the company logo.

NeoJenova · #14 04-26-2004, 10:07 PM

I own a Jenova guild name. I don't believe that breaks copyright laws. Does it?

brock128 · #15 04-26-2004, 10:19 PM

ffvii makes baby jesus cry

Hey, that rhymes.

greeno · #16 04-30-2004, 12:23 AM

I don't think Jenova can have copywright issues.... It's a real word I think....

Phayze · #17 04-30-2004, 01:48 AM

Just get permission from Squaresoft.

Matman58 · #18 04-30-2004, 01:04 PM

Well I got 5 supports and I need 5 more so if anyone is interested please apply in the guildcp for ShinRa Inc.

Also since everyone seems to freak out about me making this guild just because of a name I will just contact squaresoft and ask for permission to use the name in a guild. Then once I receive contact from them back I will post it on here. Thx.

Spark910 · #19 04-30-2004, 02:56 PM

Companies shouldn't be so bothered, you aren't using the name in a bad way or anything, its advertising for them if anything.

Matman58 · #20 04-30-2004, 03:38 PM

Thx Spark that clears up a lot of thoughts on this situation. I am sure if they even were to come across it, you're right they would just see it as advertising.

ETD · #21 04-30-2004, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Spark910

Companies shouldn't be so bothered, you aren't using the name in a bad way or anything, its advertising for them if anything.

I wasn't allowed to make (DK) because it's a company name

Minoc · #22 04-30-2004, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ETD

I wasn't allowed to make (DK) because it's a company name

Probably when Tiki and King Arthur were in charge.

syltburk · #23 04-30-2004, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matman58

Thx Spark that clears up a lot of thoughts on this situation. I am sure if they even were to come across it, you're right they would just see it as advertising.

Maybe, but the fact still remains, you need to contact them for permission to use it.

Spark910 · #24 04-30-2004, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by syltburk

Maybe, but the fact still remains, you need to contact them for permission to use it.

Yes, I didn't okay it, I just fail to see why they make such a big fuss over it.

haunter · #25 04-30-2004, 06:35 PM

Doesn't the term "fair use" mean anything to anybody anymore?!

Thallen · #26 04-30-2004, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Phayze

Just get permission from Squaresoft.

You make it sound so simple.

Phayze · #27 04-30-2004, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Thallen

You make it sound so simple.

*Shrug* Took a few hours for Alec to get permission to use Star Trek and Star Wars (from LucasArts and Paramount) sounds, characters, and concepts on Graal. Just not allowed to claim it as ours, and we have to put a little disclaimed about it on a webpage.
All you need is an e-mail address and a little professional courtesy.

davidpsy · #28 05-01-2004, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Spark910

Companies shouldn't be so bothered, you aren't using the name in a bad way or anything, its advertising for them if anything.

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Originally Posted by Matman58

Thx Spark that clears up a lot of thoughts on this situation. I am sure if they even were to come across it, you're right they would just see it as advertising.

"It's up to the owner to decide if they want the free ads or not. If they want them, they will be sure to contact you. Don't rationalize whether it hurts the owner or not, ask them. Usually that's not too hard to do. Time past, ClariNet published the very funny Dave Barry column to a large and appreciative Usenet audience for a fee, but some person didn't ask, and forwarded it to a mailing list, got caught, and the newspaper chain that employs Dave Barry pulled the column from the net, pissing off everybody who enjoyed it. Even if you can't think of how the author or owner gets hurt, think about the fact that piracy on the net hurts everybody who wants a chance to use this wonderful new technology to do more than read other people's flamewars."

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Originally Posted by haunter

Doesn't the term "fair use" mean anything to anybody anymore?!

"The "fair use" exemption to (U.S.) copyright law was created to allow things such as commentary, parody, news reporting, research and education about copyrighted works without the permission of the author. That's important so that copyright law doesn't block your freedom to express your own works -- only the ability to express other people's. Intent, and damage to the commercial value of the work are important considerations. Are you reproducing an article from the New York Times because you needed to in order to criticise the quality of the New York Times, or because you couldn't find time to write your own story, or didn't want your readers to have to register at the New York Times web site? The first is probably fair use, the others probably aren't.

Fair use is usually a short excerpt and almost always attributed. (One should not use more of the work than is necessary to make the commentary.) It should not harm the commercial value of the work -- in the sense of people no longer needing to buy it (which is another reason why reproduction of the entire work is a problem.)"

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

And my job is done here

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protagonist · #29 05-01-2004, 02:59 AM

Name it ShinRa Ind. and there shouldn't be a problem?

davidpsy · #30 05-01-2004, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by protagonist

Name it ShinRa Ind. and there shouldn't be a problem?

Its still kind of close, maybe ShimRe Inc.

ETD · #31 05-01-2004, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoc

Probably when Tiki and King Arthur were in charge.

woo, it was Bhala *just noticed this post*

HoudiniMan · #32 05-01-2004, 07:52 AM

Whatever happened to being original?

Matman58 · #33 05-02-2004, 05:39 AM

I love how this has become a copyright law debate....oh well I am going to e-mail square now.

Matman58 · #34 05-04-2004, 05:09 AM

Well I e-mailed Square and got a response. They said it is just their policy to not allow it if you are not a partner with them. So if you would Spark please close this thread. And could you let whoever is in charge of GuildCP to please delete the guild. Thank you.

ZanderX · #35 05-04-2004, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Matman58

Well I e-mailed Square and got a response. They said it is just their policy to not allow it if you are not a partner with them. So if you would Spark please close this thread. And could you let whoever is in charge of GuildCP to please delete the guild. Thank you.

If you say so, chief.