Global Development Team

[syltburk]

I only have one comment...

This is just so stupid... You are saying that GLT is stupid.. how many times do i have to say it... ITS THE SAME THING AS GGT AND GST..... THEY WOULD DO THE SAME THING....
I'm not saying we should have a GLT team, but if you think this is stupid, what the **** is GGT and GLT then???

[WanDaMan]

Fine screw it. I don't recall asking for RC at all, I Don't want to be a retarded GST who think they are higher than everyone else and just idle on RCs what gives them publicity i.e Era.
We see Tseng idle there and he does nothing for era, and he is assistant manager wait, I recall him doing an illegal gun what kills in one, awww corruptness like nemesis

It's obvious you GST people don't want to be put to shame by this, well guess what. You allready are, How many servers have you helped without Stefan there? I mean only classic server you've helped is probably Zone

I'd thought this would be a great idea, but it's obvious you just won't accept it. I mean what's the point? GGT, GST, GLT Would of been great.

To me it sounds like you are classing the level makers as retards who have no meaning on graal. Cough* without us there wouldn't be servers like era or zone, o-wait i guess you didn't think about that?

And to get a staff job like everyone else? why in hell dosn't GST AND GGT DO THAT? I MEAN THEY ARE JUST LIKE US I GUESS. THEY DON'T NEED GLOBAL RC AND MOONGOD EVEN YOU STATED THAT.

Hahahaha, Such a wierd coincidence, Seems to me like if you don't make GDT looks like Moongods comment will cause some fury about GST (which I may add is correct)

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

just idle on RCs what gives them publicity i.e Era.

The GSTs that idle there are as well considered local staff, so this is not the right place to complain about that; further I am rather certain that they are less idling and more working on things beyond your view.

We see Tseng idle there and he does nothing for era, and he is assistant manager wait, I recall him doing an illegal gun what kills in one, awww corruptness like nemesis

Local staff, you see. And, I would like how you are as well informed about what Lance is doing all day long.

It's obvious you GST people don't want to be put to shame by this, well guess what. You allready are, How many servers have you helped without Stefan there? I mean only classic server you've helped is probably Zone

I see not why I should be ashamed for being GST. I could probably do the same job without the tag / RC, and I have been doing it before GST was created, and I am still doing it, whether you recognize it or not, sorry.

I'd thought this would be a great idea, but it's obvious you just won't accept it. I mean what's the point? GGT, GST, GLT Would of been great.

No one is arguing that you think that this is a great idea. The reasons you give are being argued.

To me it sounds like you are classing the level makers as retards who have no meaning on graal. Cough* without us there wouldn't be servers like era or zone, o-wait i guess you didn't think about that?

There is an increasing amount of complaints about levels being stolen, that is true, but I think the GST or PWA can still handle that.
It is more complicated and significant for a playerworld's fate to teach someone scripting than it is to teach someone to make levels, and at least for copyright reasons it is more significant to have a graphics administration than it is to have a levels one. No random corporation is going to sue Graal because we use their levels, and also no attacker is going to use security problems in levels to cause problems.

And to get a staff job like everyone else? why in hell dosn't GST AND GGT DO THAT? I MEAN THEY ARE JUST LIKE US I GUESS. THEY DON'T NEED GLOBAL RC AND MOONGOD EVEN YOU STATED THAT.

The GGT has been before me, I cannot answer for them. The GST was assigned a global RC so we can log in and appear official if I remember correctly, as we were originally not going to get a tag, which is also what you request so I give you that point. We have no significant admin rights, and we usually log only on a server if it is with former agreement with the staff anyway. Another nice reason for this is that all of us have been admins for a long time and eh, it does not hurt to have RC.

Hahahaha, Such a wierd coincidence, Seems to me like if you don't make GDT looks like Moongods comment will cause some fury about GST (which I may add is correct)

I doubt that.

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by Loriel

The GSTs that idle there are as well considered local staff, so this is not the right place to complain about that; further I am rather certain that they are less idling and more working on things beyond your view.

I thought you couldn't be staff when you're a global?

Originally Posted by Loriel

Local staff, you see. And, I would like how you are as well informed about what Lance is doing all day long.

Well because my brother is staff on Era and I hover around behind him?

Originally Posted by Loriel

I see not why I should be ashamed for being GST. I could probably do the same job without the tag / RC, and I have been doing it before GST was created, and I am still doing it, whether you recognize it or not, sorry.

What was the last server you helped? i've been helping servers, osrs has alot of people have. So why is there a GST if you can do it without RC?

Originally Posted by Loriel

There is an increasing amount of complaints about levels being stolen, that is true, but I think the GST or PWA can still handle that..

Hrmm, Do your own job and let spark and his team get on with his? and last time i asked you for help on the stolen levels you got me and the manager in a aim chat room whilst you left doing nothing but prevent the issue o.o

Originally Posted by Loriel

It is more complicated and significant for a playerworld's fate to teach someone scripting than it is to teach someone to make levels, and at least for copyright reasons it is more significant to have a graphics administration than it is to have a levels one. No random corporation is going to sue Graal because we use their levels, and also no attacker is going to use security problems in levels to cause problems...

Same for GST? I understand about GGT but what ever you have said about GST is the same as GLT but a different name

Originally Posted by Loriel

The GST was assigned a global RC so we can log in and appear official if I remember correctly, as we were originally not going to get a tag, which is also what you request so I give you that point. We have no significant admin rights, and we usually log only on a server if it is with former agreement with the staff anyway. Another nice reason for this is that all of us have been admins for a long time and eh, it does not hurt to have RC.
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You almost have level 4..
RC dosn't hurt, we don't need RC, You on the other hand do because of NC etc. But it'd help if you didn't idle on servers, angel did it like ETD said. We don't want global RC's to be known that we are official, just a tag would do, now what can that possibly hurt?

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

I thought you couldn't be staff when you're a global?

?
I do not know, I never signed such

Well because my brother is staff on Era and I hover around behind him?

Then replace yourself with him in my question.

What was the last server you helped? i've been helping servers, osrs has alot of people have. So why is there a GST if you can do it without RC?

I usually do not keep track, but coincidentally it was Zone, because it is running out of time and I like it.
Fine, remove the GST if you want. I think it is doing good to Graal, but eh, I am only one of those most involved with it, so how dare I challenge your opinion.

Hrmm, Do your own job and let spark and his team get on with his? and last time i asked you for help on the stolen levels you got me and the manager in a aim chat room whilst you left doing nothing but prevent the issue o.o

I am convinced and I hope that Spark and his team are doing the job, but they are not always neccessary I think. I was trying to get you folks to discuss it maturely but apparently I failed?

Same for GST? I understand about GGT but what ever you have said about GST is the same as GLT but a different name

As I said, levels hardly have security problems, and scripting is a finer science than level making

You almost have level 4..

I and the whole GST have level 1, that is averagely less than the PWA has.

RC dosn't hurt, we don't need RC, You on the other hand do because of NC etc. But it'd help if you didn't idle on servers, angel did it like ETD said. We don't want global RC's to be known that we are official, just a tag would do, now what can that possibly hurt?

More staff to manage, more potential problems, more admin rights to abuse, more complaints to handle, ...

[WanDaMan]

I do not know, I never signed such

You didn't have to I'm pretty sure the rules stated it.


Then replace yourself with him in my question.

How do you mean? all I did was just state he worked there


I usually do not keep track, but coincidentally it was Zone, because it is running out of time and I like it.
Fine, remove the GST if you want. I think it is doing good to Graal, but eh, I am only one of those most involved with it, so how dare I challenge your opinion.

Sure I'll just open my admin tools and delete it ( ). Wow wasn't that like last month when stefan was working on it? :O! conicidence!


I am convinced and I hope that Spark and his team are doing the job, but they are not always neccessary I think. I was trying to get you folks to discuss it maturely but apparently I failed?

Yes, by bringing up a useless point? wow so you help pwa out cutting them out of a job, carry on gst!

As I said, levels hardly have security problems, and scripting is a finer science than level making

have you ever made a decent level? try it. They have secruity problems like scripts, what can be stolen from them? the text? omg levels can get stolen!

I and the whole GST have level 1, that is averagely less than the PWA has.

You do? haha, i highly doubt that.

More staff to manage, more potential problems, more admin rights to abuse, more complaints to handle, ...

Procisely why I wouldn't like RC like you, what have you achived having rc, no I don't mean publicity, I mean something productive?

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

You didn't have to I'm pretty sure the rules stated it.

Well, I am not anyway.

How do you mean? all I did was just state he worked there

How would he know about all the work Lance does?

Sure I'll just open my admin tools and delete it ( ). Wow wasn't that like last month when stefan was working on it? :O! conicidence!

Sorry for doing what Stefan's asks me to do?

Yes, by bringing up a useless point? wow so you help pwa out cutting them out of a job, carry on gst!

You fail to make sense. My point was that the PWA is still responsible for such issues but I tried to help. Sorry?

have you ever made a decent level? try it. They have secruity problems like scripts, what can be stolen from them? the text? omg levels can get stolen!

I like to believe I was quite decent with levels before I started scripting.
I do not see your point. A bad level, although sad, cannot cause someone to get 34101023 gralats and such possibly requiring a reset of the server, for example.

You do? haha, i highly doubt that.
Cool for you. Try using the RC you most likely have on some PW and check.

[quoteProcisely why I wouldn't like RC like you, what have you achived having rc, no I don't mean publicity, I mean something productive?[/QUOTE]
Many bugfixes and scripts.

[Milkdude99]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

And to get a staff job like everyone else? why in hell dosn't GST AND GGT DO THAT? I MEAN THEY ARE JUST LIKE US I GUESS. THEY DON'T NEED GLOBAL RC AND MOONGOD EVEN YOU STATED THAT.

In my opinion the GFX Team (all 2 of them, one active one is not) doesn't need RC unless they are actively checking PWs for illegal content on a regular basis. But as we all know this is not being done, I don't fault Chris in this at all but rather the lack of Management guidance in this area, which honestly affects all Graal in all categories because there is no one taking an active lead and organizing all that, which needs and should be done. GST does have a need for RC just as the PWA does. As stated already for many reasons it has the need for it. I don’t down play anyone’s job on Graal no matter what it is because all have its place and all are needed.

Real problem lies and always has with Graal is there is no one that Unixmad and Stefan trust to the point of taking the active role in organizing the entire structure from scripts, levels, GFX on all PWs as well as making sure all rules are followed on all PWs. I don't blame Unixmad or Stefan for the mistrust in someone they have never met, would you if it was your livelihood? So it seems we are between a rock and a hard place. Graal desperately needs someone in the United States to represent the Company and take care of its interest here, as regard problems with players, accounts and legal matters to protect Graal. I believe the bulk of players are in North America so it stands to reason someone over here needs to be closely tied to Graal's interest here.

It is a quicker more efficient way to get things done since the troublemakers also seem to be more prevalent here in the USA. Much easier to get them dealt with when someone here was to do it for Unixmad, which of course this person or persons would keep in constant contact with Unixmad as far as the Company's aims and views on things. Unixmad would always control what is done. But again this is just my opinion on this.

Getting back to supervision, my idea of the GM is the person who makes sure the PWA is doing what needs to be done as well as ALL the Global Staff are indeed doing what they are suppose to do. But as far as I know the GM has NEVER taken an active role in doing this, I don't know if it is Unixmad's doing or just lack of direction by the GM. But I think the supervision of the Game may need to be seriously looked at if we are to solve the problems of Graal we have today.

[Milkdude99]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Management nightmare? I think not, someone like Spark can manage this since the PWA aren't the busiest people around..or so I think.

They dont need global RC's, probably just tags so that managers of servers know that they can TRUST the person and know that the person will not "cheat" or anything of the sort.



It's NOT about removing any Global position. In my view, the plan is to transfer all current global developers into one "branch" called "GDT" which is development in general, be it scripting, graphics, and/or levels.

Much of what the PWA does is behind the scenes and if the PWA Member is doing what they are supposed to be doing you are constantly busy or at least I was when I was PWA.
I also went to PWs and downloaded the server logs and well as kept backups of serveroptions and folder config of each server I was on, this would be impossible to do without RC would it not? Not all servers want you getting their logs because of what may be in them so getting "local rights" would be impossible to do and why the Global RC is necessary in cases like this.

Playerworld Administration would be a worthless title if we did not have the power to backup what we needed to do would it not? It indeed would not be an Admin job at all, with the power also brings responsibility to Graal and it's players and never should be taken lightly. Also what you describe as the "GDT" is already what the PWA does or should be doing. Do you think all we do is go and fuss about things on PWs? It shouldn't be , we should be helping the PWs not only in their Management but also helping them in whatever they need , if it is beyond our skills then the PWA Member should then go and GET the aid the PW needs and bring it to them. Yes that would mean looking for a Lat or whatever to assist them in what they are doing. This is what it is all about helping each other on all servers to meet one common goal " the betterment of Graal".