Global Development Team

[Milkdude99]

Why is it you think you have to be Global to help Playerworlds? I helped many players and servers without being Global and found no problem in doing so if your desire is sincere. Remember also there is resentment to any control you try to impose on any Playerworld good or bad. Servers may not want your help; they already have in mind what they want to develop and how they want to do it. So for you guys to go in and say hey you can do this level better by this or that; it will bring resentment from them, not from all but some will. I think the Playerworlds have enough Globals running around that they do not want to see even more of them. Globals get a bad rap as it is because some have the charisma of a bull in a china shop and thus creates more harm than good. Like the saying goes it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

If you want to help then by all means please do so, just don't ask for Global status for a position that is so unnecessary. It makes you guys look like newbs asking for Staff positions on a server, which we all know what happens when you do that. I am not asking you guys to squash the idea at all just do it on your own if your desire is really to help the servers then I applaud your efforts toward that. But if you let this idea die because you cannot get Global status then your motives here will be crystal clear. So now that you have put yourselves in the "limelight " on this everyone will be watching to see what you do and depending on what you do will determine what your true motives are.

I wish you luck on the idea and I hope your motives are true.

Just an added note:
Anyone who has an idea which deserves a Global status and can give reasonable justifiable reasons for a position, really good reasons I will be happy to go to bat for the idea with Unixmad and I will support them all the way on it, but I am sorry to say in my mind this is not one of them. You have not convinced me as of yet of a justifiable reason to do so.

Moon God / Charlie

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

Why is it you think you have to be Global to help Playerworlds? I helped many players and servers without being Global and found no problem in doing so if your desire is sincere. Remember also there is resentment to any control you try to impose on any Playerworld good or bad. Servers may not want your help; they already have in mind what they want to develop and how they want to do it. So for you guys to go in and say hey you can do this level better by this or that; it will bring resentment from them, not from all but some will. I think the Playerworlds have enough Globals running around that they do not want to see even more of them. Globals get a bad rap as it is because some have the charisma of a bull in a china shop and thus creates more harm than good. Like the saying goes it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

If you want to help then by all means please do so, just don't ask for Global status for a position that is so unnecessary. It makes you guys look like newbs asking for Staff positions on a server, which we all know what happens when you do that. I am not asking you guys to squash the idea at all just do it on your own if your desire is really to help the servers then I applaud your efforts toward that. But if you let this idea die because you cannot get Global status then your motives here will be crystal clear. So now that you have put yourselves in the "limelight " on this everyone will be watching to see what you do and depending on what you do will determine what your true motives are.

I wish you luck on the idea and I hope your motives are true.

Just an added note:
Anyone who has an idea which deserves a Global status and can give reasonable justifiable reasons for a position, really good reasons I will be happy to go to bat for the idea with Unixmad and I will support them all the way on it, but I am sorry to say in my mind this is not one of them. You have not convinced me as of yet of a justifiable reason to do so.

Moon God / Charlie

MG's long post = teh
(I mean I agree )

[ETD]

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

Why is it you think you have to be Global to help Playerworlds? I helped many players and servers without being Global and found no problem in doing so if your desire is sincere.

the problem isn't people WANTING to help, it's that no-one WANTS to help, unless they get some kind of recognition, or have the ability to do it easily... no-one's going to help out a bunch of PW's, just to get nothing in return... also, people who do this will just be seen as another person offering help, but not actually doing anything...

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

Remember also there is resentment to any control you try to impose on any Playerworld good or bad. Servers may not want your help; they already have in mind what they want to develop and how they want to do it. So for you guys to go in and say hey you can do this level better by this or that; it will bring resentment from them, not from all but some will.

Why would they go to a PW, and tell them how to improve, when I thought I said that they would recieve help if they ask for it o.o

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

It makes you guys look like newbs asking for Staff positions on a server, which we all know what happens when you do that.

I haven't seen a single person ask for a possition on this team in this thread... actually, I haven't seen anyone ask for any staff possition of any kind in this thread

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

I am not asking you guys to squash the idea at all just do it on your own if your desire is really to help the servers then I applaud your efforts toward that. But if you let this idea die because you cannot get Global status then your motives here will be crystal clear. So now that you have put yourselves in the "limelight " on this everyone will be watching to see what you do and depending on what you do will determine what your true motives are.

I wish you luck on the idea and I hope your motives are true.

Are you talking to me? or maybe Wan? or someone else? because I know in my case, I never even planned on even trying to be a member on this team... actually, I probably would have rather RECIEVED help from this team, than GIVE help to others... You should know I have my hands full enough with my own server....

As for wan, I don't think he's doing much graal related besides a little side work on his own server... I doubt he would have even been a member either...

Just because we'd like a team formed, because we think it would be the best thing for classic playerworlds, doesn't mean we want to be a part of it... I don't see why you'd assume such a thing

[Milkdude99]

Originally Posted by ETD

..

Just because we'd like a team formed, because we think it would be the best thing for classic playerworlds, doesn't mean we want to be a part of it... I don't see why you'd assume such a thing

Dunno maybe because you started this thread and started this in the first place in another thread? Sounds like to me you are the ring leader in this , if not why did you start this in the first place?

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by ETD

no-one's going to help out a bunch of PW's, just to get nothing in return...

You would not get anything if were global either.

also, people who do this will just be seen as another person offering help, but not actually doing anything...

Which is another problem with the GDT idea.

Why would they go to a PW, and tell them how to improve, when I thought I said that they would recieve help if they ask for it o.o

Enough PWs are asking for help in this forum... just go and help them, yes?

I haven't seen a single person ask for a possition on this team in this thread... actually, I haven't seen anyone ask for any staff possition of any kind in this thread

But is that not kind of implied here? Hm.

actually, I probably would have rather RECIEVED help from this team, than GIVE help to others... You should know I have my hands full enough with my own server....

That means you are unable to get staff on your own, and instead you want to indirectly get staff by getting them to be global and then make them work on your server... ?

As for wan, I don't think he's doing much graal related besides a little side work on his own server... I doubt he would have even been a member either...

But he most likely would have tried.

Just because we'd like a team formed, because we think it would be the best thing for classic playerworlds, doesn't mean we want to be a part of it... I don't see why you'd assume such a thing

Perhaps you really do not, I do not know. But why do you think such is the best thing for PWs?

[WanDaMan]

I would of probably tried out, to get me more involved in graal..

[syltburk]

Which is another problem with the GDT idea.
-What??? We havn't tested it yet. You are meaning GST and GGT right???

Enough PWs are asking for help in this forum... just go and help them, yes?
-From what I have read forumers answer to the questions have mostly been sarcastic or something else thats NOT serious. Atleast the most.

But is that not kind of implied here? Hm.
-Ok i didn't understand that so im not going to answer .

That means you are unable to get staff on your own, and instead you want to indirectly get staff by getting them to be global and then make them work on your server... ?
- Personaly I dont agree with ETD on that one.. I think that you should instruct map making and level making to people.. Because it is more easy to learn from a person right off then reading a tutorial.... Also you could help with levels but it wouldn't be like you make a whole overworld for them... Maybe make a quest or something like that in small areas for servers that need help with maybe something special kind.

But he most likely would have tried.
-No.

Perhaps you really do not, I do not know. But why do you think such is the best thing for PWs?
-For the moment it is.

[MysticalDragonP2P]

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

Why is it you think you have to be Global to help Playerworlds? I helped many players and servers without being Global and found no problem in doing so if your desire is sincere. Remember also there is resentment to any control you try to impose on any Playerworld good or bad. Servers may not want your help; they already have in mind what they want to develop and how they want to do it. So for you guys to go in and say hey you can do this level better by this or that; it will bring resentment from them, not from all but some will. I think the Playerworlds have enough Globals running around that they do not want to see even more of them. Globals get a bad rap as it is because some have the charisma of a bull in a china shop and thus creates more harm than good. Like the saying goes it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

If you want to help then by all means please do so, just don't ask for Global status for a position that is so unnecessary. It makes you guys look like newbs asking for Staff positions on a server, which we all know what happens when you do that. I am not asking you guys to squash the idea at all just do it on your own if your desire is really to help the servers then I applaud your efforts toward that. But if you let this idea die because you cannot get Global status then your motives here will be crystal clear. So now that you have put yourselves in the "limelight " on this everyone will be watching to see what you do and depending on what you do will determine what your true motives are.

I wish you luck on the idea and I hope your motives are true.

Just an added note:
Anyone who has an idea which deserves a Global status and can give reasonable justifiable reasons for a position, really good reasons I will be happy to go to bat for the idea with Unixmad and I will support them all the way on it, but I am sorry to say in my mind this is not one of them. You have not convinced me as of yet of a justifiable reason to do so.

Moon God / Charlie

I dont think this can be said any better :/

[Python523]

Originally Posted by MysticalDragonP2P

I dont think this can be said any better :/

Oh, but it can, and I will say it better in one sentence.

The idea is useless, stupid, and is a cry for power; if people want to help so much, a tag nor a global rc is needed; they can ask servers to help without a tag or rc.

[ETD]

Originally Posted by Python523

The idea is useless, stupid, and is a cry for power; if people want to help so much, a tag nor a global rc is needed; they can ask servers to help without a tag or rc.

try reading all the posts before replying please?

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

Dunno maybe because you started this thread and started this in the first place in another thread? Sounds like to me you are the ring leader in this , if not why did you start this in the first place?

because I was trying to get the PWA to post formal reviews, and I was offering suggestions as to how the PWA could have more time to do reviews, if time were an issue
o.o
I then made this thread, to stop the arguments about a GLT in the other thread... the arguments about a GLT started after I made a passing reference to one in a post I made trying to think of ways to give the PWA more time

make sence?

[Python523]

Originally Posted by ETD

try reading all the posts before replying please?

I skimmed the thread, and I don't see one use for this team, name one GOOD one, not something you couldn't do as a normal staff member.

[ETD]

Originally Posted by Python523

I skimmed the thread, and I don't see one use for this team, name one GOOD one, not something you couldn't do as a normal staff member.

Actually help playerworlds that need it...

EoA needs scripters, but we get no help from anyone, not even the GST...

N-Pulse needs LAT help, but they can't get it...

if there were a GDT, we could each get help from it.

I am basically posting this as a suggestion, since I do not feel the GGT, and GST do a good job with helping PW's out with their development needs, and also, there is no global staff a PW can turn to for help with levels...
AND, with a team of 9 developers, there would be enough to go from server to server, actually looking for stolen material.... unlike the PWA, who have to wait for someone to report it... who knows how much stolen material there is out there, just no-one's reported it.

and I ment how you said it was a "cry for power" yet no-one here has asked for power
o.o

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Python523

I skimmed the thread, and I don't see one use for this team, name one GOOD one, not something you couldn't do as a normal staff member.

Then why are you GST? Why -are- there GST's and GGT's? My little side idea was to just "hump" (you people know what I want to say >:O!) GST and GGT and "transfer" them to GDT. It's kind of like having "developers" on servers without having lats, nats, and such.