Pirates' Governor

[GoZelda]

The Pirates are discontent with Mark. Since we cannot post any thread about it on the forums, for he'll delete it, and he never is on, we cannot seriously complain to him. Since Mark's the Governor, the 'population' has gone downwards; the First Lady, for God's sake, has left because of Mark. I am one of the few, or the only, person(s) who is online, when there are about 5 of Dustari and/or Zormite. I think Mark should be replaced - he even won't give anyone the right to add members, except for himself. Noone can punish another person if he's higher in rank, so the on-tag PKing and non-RPing go on. Oh wait, nobody's on, so what am I talking about? I am sure that Mark should be replaced, and anyone who agrees with me should post/vote so, and possibly who should replace Mark.

[tc_topcat]

I would like to see mark replaced as he has seen our concerns in the thred, hardly responded and closed the Thred. Alisa is back had to ask nicely against her better judgement.

There are rarely more than 3 on tag ( for all those who said to me why dont you support mark look how many he gets on tag, it didnt last =/)

members being there for so long and not getting the chance to be promoted.

no events, not even mark saying, oh alisa it would be great if you can run an event. I have run an event but that is only as members want them.

There are many people who have the abilities to run teh kingdom but they have the wrong friends which would let it down.
I would not like Ziro back i did not like him as a leader.
The kingdom needs some sort of joint leadership and a council of the good/dedicated members.

I said when mark came into power all the good will not last and i was right...nate-->ghost pirate-->valder--->ziro--->valder--->mark---> ?????

I think these forums are a bad idea coz we'll get non-cp muppets voting and mucking it up

[Muha_builder]

ghostpirate-->nathiel-->ghost pirate-->valder--->ziro--->valder--->mark--->

[Desolator12]

Hmm... due to the fact that there haven't been any wars, so i can't judge mark by my standards (strategy in war) I'd have to agree... he's never on, when he is, he never repiles to PMs... rarely anybody on, no events (which may be stefan's doing... when ar our Kingdom Items gonna get Uploaded?)

*sigh* time for the speech... keep cool, look as if you have all the cards... and keep cool...

*gets up onto podeum* Since I joined the Crecent Pirates, I have had some big ideas for this island. One of which is to expand the Ship Yard so we can have more ships, thus a better chance of being able to rule the seas and a chance to expand our small armada. I have brought this idea to practically every govenor I have seen, only to have no responce. If Elected for the position of Govenor of Crecent Island, I will make changes for the betterment of the Crecent Pirates (not huge changes that confuse and anger everybody, *cough-Ranks-cough*) and to listen to your ideas and give replies as soon as possible to your questions. Also, I will hold events, Kingdom items or not, I will get something to have an event for. This will include Roleplaying events, card games, ship battles, and other miscelaneous events
And the one thing I promise is that I will do my best to teach people who are new to Roleplaying the Do's and Do-Not's. Remember, a vote for Drâkken Dârkrâven is a vote for prosperity.

[zell12]

Originally posted by Muha_builder
ghostpirate-->nathiel-->ghost pirate-->valder--->ziro--->valder--->mark--->excalibur

[tc_topcat]

Originally posted by Muha_builder
ghostpirate-->nathiel-->ghost pirate-->valder--->ziro--->valder--->mark--->

i started at nate as i was meaning what it has been since i joined cp

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Yes, he should be.
Ziro was a bad governor for enforcing stupid rules, oppressing his people and ignoring his people.
Valder was a bad governor for wasting time and the opportunities of better candidates by claiming pirates and then just not bothering to do anything. Furthermore, he handed the kingdom to MarkB - this for obvious reasons is bad leadership.

Markb is a bad leader because he does not roleplay, and he has no interest in his kingdom whatsoever. He seems to think that having absolutely no heirarchy of management and control is the way to lead. He seems to think that sitting there saying "o im getin pirat itams uploded soon, btw nalle u suxx" is the way to lead. He seems to think that completely ignoring the needs of his kingdom is the way to lead. He is wrong. He also doesn't roleplay, did i not mention this before?


Now, the topic of who should be the new governor is a much harder thing to decide X_X
I'd say cyrin would be best suited for the job. In many respects, he is like Ziro: a solid, dedicated RPer with a certain amount of intelligence, a regular player who actually gives a flying crap about the kingdoms (and in particular pirates, of course). He plays by the rules. One of the things that'd make him a better choice than ziro would be that he wouldn't make silly rules, probably. He wants the Pirate kingdom to become a popular one again, and he wants to restore Roleplaying to it.

There are only two kingdoms left now, those being Dustari and Samurai. Please guys, cmon...three is the magic number.

[GoZelda]

I'm curious about who picked the 'shoot me' option...

[Desolator12]

Originally posted by Monkeyboy_McGee
[B]
Now, the topic of who should be the new governor is a much harder thing to decide X_X
I'd say cyrin would be best suited for the job. In many respects, he is like Ziro: a solid, dedicated RPer with a certain amount of intelligence, a regular player who actually gives a flying crap about the kingdoms (and in particular pirates, of course). He plays by the rules. One of the things that'd make him a better choice than ziro would be that he wouldn't make silly rules, probably. He wants the Pirate kingdom to become a popular one again, and he wants to restore Roleplaying to it.

my guess is that Cyrin will become govenor... he's more known than I am apparently. However, I too am a "solid, dedicated RPer with a certain ammount of intelligence"... any chance I get, I play RPGs... heh, I used to annoy this one kid... first kid that introduced me to AD&D..."can we play D&D now?" ...good times...
now' i'm more refined... I give a "flying crap" about the kingdoms... heh, I remember when I had my character on Valikorlia, I tried to make Lerhyn a non-newb kingdom... sadly, Ivelios was assassinated in his sleep... when I first joined pirates, i just did because I thought pirates were cool... now, pirates, heck, practically ALL of GK has turned into one big Lerhyn... this is something that must be changed as soon as possible. there is one thing that would make a great leader, and that is strategy. Without that, in a war we would be like lambs to the slaughter.

[Dehitay]

I would prefer giving Mark an ultimatum to where he has to give some other Pirates powers to recruit, remove, promote, and such; or else he has to be on for 35 hours a week
>=P

[MrGannondorf]

We definitely need a new govener. I don't think enforcing rping is neccisarily a problem. I think there needs to be a govener who brings improvements to the kingdom. More events, more development to the island, etc etc. We need a better hierarchy, more people with development rights to our island, more people who can recruit more people, more people to give people better ranks to suit how they rp (I wanna be a merchant )...

I would vote for cyrin, except for the fact that he has nagged and threatened me about my name on more than one occasion (Aeva DaVinci isn't a very good rp name accoording to him, but DaVinci is a small family that is headed by me, and having that in my name is important to me)...

Though I do think Cyrin would be a good Govener in other aspects, as he recently aproved construction to my house without much nagging on my part.

Its hard to say. I don't know of any other candidates... I would concentrate on getting improvements to the island, but I have to admit, its hard to lead a social life with the v3's crappy playerlist... I don't think I'd be hosting events any time until v3's interface is improved. At any rate, I have no desire to be Govener myself, aslong as we have a good one that concentrates on what is important, and makes our kingdom fun.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

MarkB should be replaced by me.

I was wrongfully removed from Governorship by means of members abusing flaws in the system, and I was doing a much better job than those who came after me.

First, I was much more active then either of them. I could have very well kept rights from the other officials and it would have worked well as I was active on a daily basis. I watched members carefully and promoted them based on the effort they put into the kingdom as well as GK in general and their accomplishments.

Secondly, I did not change the main respected aspects of the kingdom set forth by Ghost Pirate (kingdom name... ranks... its aspect of RPing). In fact, I even improved upon them with minor changes as to not ruin them.

Also, generally speaking, I did not ignore the members nor the general will of the kingdom. After I set forth a system that the kingdom did not agree upon, I changed it after the majority showed their concern for this. In the first place, it was ment only to improve RPing (as the other kingdom's populations were allowed to conduct themselves simply as a global PKing guild, while I believed the Crescent Pirates should keep with the ways of RPing). I did, however, "ignore" (not necessarily, it's more like adressing and counter-arguing) and try to do away with the arguments and opinions which would NOT help the kingdom, but make it worse and show disrespect for the base of the kingdom and its RPing aspects (example: people wanting to be allowed to be on the kingdom's RP tag, using an RP name, but do EVERYTHING except for RP... this is not what this RPing kingdom is for). I tried to please all members as well. People though the RPing rules were too strict, so I told them that if they put "-OOC-" in their nickname, they could use the kingdom tag and be OOC without having to use parenthesis for all their OOC dialogue, but this should not be done often or become a habbit as RPing activity is needed in a kingdom.

Finally, it would set things straight and back in order by bringing me back in (I did have to put things back in order in my first step up to Governor, and I could do it again). I was removed wrongfully by members who were being tricked and convinced into replacing me with another. The members who removed me were NOT ment to have the power to do so, yet they did- thus, a flaw in the system. Since I've left, everything and anything I worked to change and do to make things better was ruined. The RPing standards (and we all know RPing is what a kingdom is really all about...) definitly went completely downhill the second I was removed. If the actions are not reversed, we'll just continue to see the problems we've been witnessing since then- lack of kingdom stability, Governor getting bored with the kingdom, Governor being inactive or busy with things not related to the kingdom, etc. I actually cared about the kingdom. I was actually chosen to Govern and favored even before Valder chose me because I could make something of the kingdom. I didn't have to buy anyone out or convince people into "illegally" removing their leader to replace him with me. I simply spoke up and showed my concern for the kingdom as an old member of the Pirate Crew (as a member years ago on Graal 2001) and always a friend to the kingdom.

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec
MarkB should be replaced by me.

I was wrongfully removed from Governorship by means of members abusing flaws in the system, and I was doing a much better job than those who came after me.

I was nominated by most people for Governor when Valder left, but for some reason *cough*USD deal*cough* I didn't become Governor.

[MrGannondorf]

heh, looks like we all posted at the same time...


Desolator12 and Ziro both sound like good candidates to be Govener to me.


I wasn't around when Ziro was govener, though... I quit gk sometime when Nate was around, and rejoined recently.
...

My vote for Govener goes to Ziro_Vitrudestec

[FireFly20]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec
MarkB should be replaced by me.

I agree with ziro. He is a good person always helped me when i needed and cares about rping. My vote goes to him.

[Dehitay]

My vote goes to the pure purpose of cancelling your vote for Ziro as governor
He's arrogant and selfish. He'll make claim after claim on how great he was as a governor when a lot of people hated him. When he got removed, he stole the items Pirates had in stock and sold them for his own personal gain

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Dehitay
he stole the items Pirates had in stock and sold them for his own personal gain

Wrong. The wearhouse was in my hands to take care of as Governor. If Valder STOLE Governorship, would you have me help him steal the wearhouse too? I would surely hope not. Either way, Valder ended up with the key and I ended up without it. After so much time, the admins had to step in and I understand. Though it would have been nice if they stepped in to take the kingdom away from him once he took it. x.x

[Zacharel]

I am not getting in the middle of it But the way it souds to me that maybe Ziro took them for pirates or people who wanna be pirates becasue to me it sounds he is a pirate at heart no matter what. He could be saving them in case he becomes pirate gov again for all we know. Hey who knows what he is thinking. Ask me just get a vote between markb and ziro and may e 1 or 2 other canidaites and we can do it that way.

[Raelyn]

Personally I'd like to have a go at Governor of CP, but we all know it wouldn't happen. I definately think PKs should not be in charge of kingdoms, as that not only puts a huge dent in the quality of thier kingdom, but all others as well. Ziro was a good ruler, he was always open to suggestions, even though he will always be a n0ob in my eyes, I could see myself following under his leadership again if he were put back into rule.

...but, until then.. Vote for Raelyn!

[Lyndzey]

Before ya'll start voting on a new Governor, you need to get rid of the current Governor.

MarkB has already made it clear that he will not step down. I don't know if Stefan is going to step in on this one either. Plus it would be hard to overthrow MarkB because he does not have a lot of time to play Graal Kingdoms.

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by Lyndzey
Plus it would be hard to overthrow MarkB because he does not have a lot of time to play Graal Kingdoms.

What sense does that make?

[Lyndzey]

Back when Dashio was leader of Samurai, we did an organized RP overthrow of him. Even though he did not want to give Samurai up, he ended up handing it over to Rahz. I would hope that MarkB would give it up if he was overthrown.

What other choice do you have if you are unhappy with the Governor?

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by GoZelda

What sense does that make?

If he never plays Graal Kingdoms, you can't really convince him to leave the kingdom. He can't really see that he'd like someone else as Governor. And he won't really spend time choosing people to have rights (people that would be able to overthrow him). So you can't trick him nor win his favor. That's the only sense I see to it.

Edit: Lyndzey, if a person does not RP, I doubt he'll allow himself to be overthrown in RPing.

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec


If he never plays Graal Kingdoms, you can't really convince him to leave the kingdom. He can't really see that he'd like someone else as Governor. And he won't really spend time choosing people to have rights (people that would be able to overthrow him). So you can't trick him nor win his favor. That's the only sense I see to it.

Yes yes, I understand that, I ment 'What sense does that make' like ; omfg that's stupid.

[Lyndzey]

Then maybe next time just come out and call me stupid instead of asking what it means. Don't expect me to read between the lines on an expression like that.

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by Lyndzey
Then maybe next time just come out and call me stupid instead of asking what it means.

I didn't call you stupid. The fact that Mark dun come online, so we can't overthrow him, that is stupid.

[Lyndzey]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

Edit: Lyndzey, if a person does not RP, I doubt he'll allow himself to be overthrown in RPing.

It's something that the Pirates have not tried yet.

They have tried to ask MarkB to step down, that has not worked and will not work. Going to Stefan is not going to work either, Stefan usually does not get involved in these things. When is the last time Stefan has put a new leader in charge of a kingdom? Jagen also said that he cannot assign new leaders...

I say go for the overthrow in an organized RP fashion. What else are you going to do about it to get rid of MarkB?

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by Lyndzey

I say go for the overthrow in an organized RP fashion. What else are you going to do about it to get rid of MarkB?

I concur. It'd be fun, too.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Lyndzey

When is the last time Stefan has put a new leader in charge of a kingdom?

He almost had to do it for me (and was going to) when we experienced a problem in CP (noone really knew about it), but luckily I looked things over and told a friend of mine carefully how to fix it all.

[Lyndzey]

Yes but he never went through it.

I don't think Stefan has ever put a new leader in charge.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Lyndzey
I say go for the overthrow in an organized RP fashion. What else are you going to do about it to get rid of MarkB?

Boycott the Pirate Kingdom completely. something -has- to be done when the only members Markb has are like, NYchris and Eld

[Lyndzey]

Originally posted by Monkeyboy_McGee


Boycott the Pirate Kingdom completely. something -has- to be done when the only members Markb has are like, NYchris and Eld

That would be the last possible solution if MarkB does not give up the kingdom in an overthrow.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Lyndzey


That would be the last possible solution if MarkB does not give up the kingdom in an overthrow.

Honestly, I doubt anything would change if admins don't step in on this one, but we MUST try to bring some change regardless.

[Lyndzey]

If Pirates do have an organized overthrow, I'm sure admins will step in. I know I would.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Lyndzey
If Pirates do have an organized overthrow, I'm sure admins will step in. I know I would.

He could just remove all members against him and keep the ones that allow themselves to be bought out with items or USD.

[MarkB]

You people are idiots. Look at yourselves. Ziro, you're never getting Governor, neither are you Cyrin. Keep creating these useless threads, and I assure you, you will be banned.

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by MarkB
You people are idiots. Look at yourselves. Ziro, you're never getting Governor, neither are you Cyrin. Keep creating these useless threads, and I assure you, you will be banned.

How in hell would you be able to do that? Oh, and take a look at yourself too.

[NyTLuvsLinkers]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec


He could just remove all members against him and keep the ones that allow themselves to be bought out with items or USD.

Oh yea, that's what you did Ziro...Removed all of us trying to get you to step down...

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by MarkB
You people are idiots. Look at yourselves. Ziro, you're never getting Governor, neither are you Cyrin. Keep creating these useless threads, and I assure you, you will be banned.

MarkB, every argument you give us shows us how horrible you are at what you do. Noone wants a leader who attacks those that are concerned for the well-being of the group and gently pushes away any arguments with petty name-calling.

You can threaten to ban us all you wish and even guarantee it. Your guarantees mean nothing as you've proven yourself to be full of empty promises. You havn't done a single positive thing since you've become Governor. You have no power to ban us. We are doing nothing we should not be doing.

These threads are not useless. Your responses are rather useless as you simply resort to flaming and bickering.

You corrupt the kingdom by buying out people with items. You also spread lies to control the minds of those who you can. An example is you making it sound like others are horrible by saying they did things they in fact did not do.

You see these threads as being useless? Here's the use: You ruined OUR kingdom and we want it back to how it's supposed to be. We're not a group of PKing idiots who just hang out and trade items all day. We're a group of brilliant Graal players who can ROLEPLAY as idiots, thieves, treasure-hunters, sailors, or just pirates.

[R0bin]

*wanders into the conversation late and without knowing all the facts as usual*

People its a game. Realise this and set yourselves free.

*wanders off*