New Mac version

Admins · #1 01-07-2004, 06:16 AM

Graal v3.04 has been released for Mac. This version fixes a lot of bugs, we have tested it several hours on different servers.
Change log (from v3.02):
- faster network code
- playerlist is sorted and non-transparent
- displaying of the classic weapon screen is fixed
- better transparency for gifs
- fixed problems with warping and freezing
- new scripting variable 'gravity' for influencing projectiles

Download the Mac version from the downloads page.

Update: Also released v3.04 revision 1 for Linux and Windows for fixing a problem that e.g. crashed the client when playing on Zone

Dach · #2 01-07-2004, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan

Update: Also released v3.04 revision 1 for Linux and Windows for fixing a problem that e.g. crashed the client when playing on Zone

And the Peasants Rejoice!

D1ce2 · #3 01-07-2004, 12:03 PM

Why don't you test the new versions when you make them?.. easier then releasing with hundreds of bugs

ZanderX · #4 01-07-2004, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by D1ce2
Why don't you test the new versions when you make them?.. easier then releasing with hundreds of bugs

Because he can't possibly test every environment and test situation. The people are the testers and hence the versions become more and more revised.

superb · #5 01-07-2004, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by D1ce2
Why don't you test the new versions when you make them?.. easier then releasing with hundreds of bugs

You can't expect a 100% rewrite to be completely free of bugs. In this case it's a completely new program. Bugs are a part of software development dude.

D1ce2 · #6 01-07-2004, 03:35 PM

Yes but I'm saying he checked this version why can't he check the others?.

superb · #7 01-07-2004, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by D1ce2
Yes but I'm saying he checked this version why can't he check the others?.

He does check the others.

D1ce2 · #8 01-07-2004, 04:08 PM

So why is there bug's in them?.

narkotic · #9 01-07-2004, 04:18 PM

No amount of testing is going to remove all the bugs.

Every version is obviously tested, otherwise it wouldn't be a valid candidate to be released for use. If it runs, that's a good enough sign. Find the rest of the bugs and then they get fixed.

If you've dealt with any programming before, you'd know that it's almost impossible to write an entire piece of software and have it completely bug free. Plus, it's common knowledge this client was rewritten in a different codebase so that it was platform independent. This is much more complicated, as most programmers have a hard enough time sticking to one platform, and completely rewriting something in a different language is going to cause problems in the first place.

Spark910 · #10 01-07-2004, 06:26 PM

Just wondering if anyone here use the MAC client?
I don't think I know of anyone.

Hevaricubed · #11 01-07-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by superb

You can't expect a 100% rewrite to be completely free of bugs. In this case it's a completely new program. Bugs are a part of software development dude.

100% rewrite? Ha. ahahhahaa.

Ignorance is bliss.

also, <3 for the tribes engine.

superb · #12 01-07-2004, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by Hevaricubed

100% rewrite? Ha. ahahhahaa.

Ignorance is bliss.

also, <3 for the tribes engine.

The original code was delphi. This is C++ if I'm not mistaken.

Python523 · #13 01-08-2004, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by Hevaricubed

100% rewrite? Ha. ahahhahaa.

Ignorance is bliss.

also, <3 for the tribes engine.

The torque engine is a buggy piece of sh*t, Stefan has fixed a ton of stuff already from what he did use of it

Hevaricubed · #14 01-08-2004, 12:17 AM

yeah, what i was getting at that he didnt write 100% of it, not that im saying he couldnt if he wanted to.

superb · #15 01-08-2004, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hevaricubed
yeah, what i was getting at that he didnt write 100% of it, not that im saying he couldnt if he wanted to.

Well, I was talking about the core parts of the client, not the 3D stuff.

dlang · #16 01-08-2004, 03:08 AM

Mac is evil @_@

Fun Fact:
a 1.8GHz PC (Especially Alienware PCs) runs twice as fast as a 1.8GHz Macintosh.

Admins · #17 01-08-2004, 03:10 AM

Graal has been 100% rewitten, from Delphi to C++. Of course we did not code every single byte of assembler code to access gfx cards and sound card, but even when using a good engine there is a lot of work to make things work good. There was no TCP code for Mac, the keyboard handling on Linux very buggy, very limited gif support and no mng support.

Mykel · #18 01-08-2004, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spark910
Just wondering if anyone here use the MAC client?
I don't think I know of anyone.

I download it at school. But for some reason, today when I downloaded it onto a computer, and then loaded, it would always 'unexpectantly quit.'

superb · #19 01-08-2004, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dlang
Mac is evil @_@

Fun Fact:
a 1.8GHz PC (Especially Alienware PCs) runs twice as fast as a 1.8GHz Macintosh.

Completely untrue and it depends on more than just the processor.

HoudiniMan · #20 01-08-2004, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by D1ce2
Yes but I'm saying he checked this version why can't he check the others?.

Yeah he really should check his software for weeks first like the big time developers do.

If there were bugs in Windows i don't know what i'd do!

Spark910 · #21 01-08-2004, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mykel
I download it at school. But for some reason, today when I downloaded it onto a computer, and then loaded, it would always 'unexpectantly quit.'

Ah right. Our school only has windows

They should really get other operating systems on site.

Admins · #22 01-08-2004, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mykel
I download it at school. But for some reason, today when I downloaded it onto a computer, and then loaded, it would always 'unexpectantly quit.'

When you unpack the file, run the setup or when starting hte game or when connecting to a server?

thelostviking · #23 01-08-2004, 03:27 PM

Can you add user list categorys?
Pmming is annoying if you have to search your budd each time outa 20-80 online player.

Mykel · #24 01-08-2004, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan

When you unpack the file, run the setup or when starting hte game or when connecting to a server?

Downloading is fine. Running the setup is fine. Just when I start it up. The screen loads for a split second, then quits.

Admins · #25 01-08-2004, 08:02 PM

Can you check what is in console.log in the Graal folder? You have Mac OSX and OpenGL ?

Mykel · #26 01-08-2004, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan
Can you check what is in console.log in the Graal folder? You have Mac OSX and OpenGL ?

MacOS version: 10.3.2
Accelerated OpenGL display device detected.

Maybe it is the version?

Mykel · #27 01-30-2004, 04:54 PM

*bump*

Well, I re-downloaded it and am still having the same problem.

Admins · #28 01-30-2004, 09:09 PM

Please post the console.log

jake13jake · #29 01-30-2004, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by D1ce2
Why don't you test the new versions when you make them?.. easier then releasing with hundreds of bugs

lmao at other people's responses to this question. Version 3, I believe, is a PREVIEW.... meaning that there's automatically going to be lots of bugs.

And to dlang:
I have an Alienware PC!!

superb · #30 01-30-2004, 09:48 PM

Alienware sucks.

jake13jake · #31 01-30-2004, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by superb
Alienware sucks.

Not that I really care anyways? You don't have to be so hostile.

dlang · #32 01-31-2004, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by superb
Alienware sucks.

Alienware makes the best gaming PCs.. even Microsoft likes them lol, they deffinatly don't suck.

Quote:

Originally posted by superb
Completely untrue and it depends on more than just the processor.

http://www.alienware.com/review_pages/reviews.aspx

Even MacWorld said the Alienware PCs were better, lol.

Quote:

Macworld : December 2003

"We're surprised at how thoroughly the PCs clobbered the Macs..."

"There's no sugarcoating it: PCs are clearly faster."

"The PCs were generally twice as fast as both G5s."

-Gabe- · #33 02-05-2004, 02:00 AM

A friend of mine is having the same problem as the other guy. It DL's and installs fine, just flashes white and quits when she starts the game.
She's using a MAC, Panther ( OSX 10.3.2 ).
Her console log:

//-------------------------- 2/4/2004 -- 15:39:59 -----System & Processor Information:MacOS version: 10.3.2CarbonLib version: 1.6.0Physical RAM: 256MBLogical RAM: 2047MBUnknown/PowerPC G4u ++, 1000 MhzFPU detectedAltiVec detectedMath Init:Installing Standard C extensionsInstalling FPU extensionsInput Init:Basic mouse capture failed to enable!Video Init:Accelerated OpenGL display device detected.applicationdir: /Applications/Graal/--------- Loading MODS ---------Engine initialized...--------- Initializing MOD: Common ---------Activating the OpenGL display device...Activating the OpenGL display device...Cleaning up the display device...

She use to be staff, her name was Evey.
Or something.
Hope you can help, thanks.

superb · #34 02-05-2004, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dlang

Alienware makes the best gaming PCs.. even Microsoft likes them lol, they deffinatly don't suck.

They are highly overpriced.

Quote:

http://www.alienware.com/review_pages/reviews.aspx

Even MacWorld said the Alienware PCs were better, lol.

That's just marketing drivel.

Admins · #35 02-05-2004, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by -Gabe-
A friend of mine is having the same problem as the other guy. It DL's and installs fine, just flashes white and quits when she starts the game.
She's using a MAC, Panther ( OSX 10.3.2 ).
Her console log:

//-------------------------- 2/4/2004 -- 15:39:59 -----System & Processor Information:MacOS version: 10.3.2CarbonLib version: 1.6.0Physical RAM: 256MBLogical RAM: 2047MBUnknown/PowerPC G4u ++, 1000 MhzFPU detectedAltiVec detectedMath Init:Installing Standard C extensionsInstalling FPU extensionsInput Init:Basic mouse capture failed to enable!Video Init:Accelerated OpenGL display device detected.applicationdir: /Applications/Graal/--------- Loading MODS ---------Engine initialized...--------- Initializing MOD: Common ---------Activating the OpenGL display device...Activating the OpenGL display device...Cleaning up the display device...

She use to be staff, her name was Evey.
Or something.
Hope you can help, thanks.

Seems it stops when trying to set the display mode. What screen size and color resolution does her Mac have? The OpenGL initializing code in the Graal Mac version is quite bad right now, may be it works when editing graaldata/client/prefs.cs. You can e.g. set $pref::Video::fullScreen = 1

R0bin · #36 02-05-2004, 09:28 PM

I dont see how this game engine can be ported to all these platforms, as a windows user, this scares me.

Admins · #37 02-06-2004, 03:25 PM

Well it's much easier to port to Linux or Mac than to port a Linux/Mac program to Windows because of all the proprietary
Windows stuff. Mac is basicly a UNIX/BSD, so we can share code between the Linux and Windows version. Also there is OpenGL (gfx) and UNIX sockets (networking) on all platforms. So the biggest difference in the ports is the windowing system and the input devices (mouse, keyboard).

Eclectic · #38 02-06-2004, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Seems it stops when trying to set the display mode. What screen size and color resolution does her Mac have? The OpenGL initializing code in the Graal Mac version is quite bad right now, may be it works when editing graaldata/client/prefs.cs. You can e.g. set $pref::Video::fullScreen = 1

Hi,

I'm -Gabe- and Evey's friend, my registration for the forums just went through.

She said there is no prefs.cs folder in client, but I didn't get her screen size and resolution, so, I'll find that out tonight.

I hope you can help, I'd really like to be able to play with her. I've some bugs of my own with the Mac version, but I think I'd like to wait to bother about them until she can at least play.

Thanks for your time.

dlang · #39 02-07-2004, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by superb

They are highly overpriced.

That's just marketing drivel. [/B]

I did a comparison between my comp and an Alienware and I found I would have a 500% increase in my gaming performance.

Plus they use Alienware on those TechTV shows etc.

And its not just marketing drivel (need to look up that word lol)
All those people on the list (20+) say Alienware have awsome PCs.

ZanderX · #40 02-07-2004, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dlang

I did a comparison between my comp and an Alienware and I found I would have a 500% increase in my gaming performance.

Plus they use Alienware on those TechTV shows etc.

And its not just marketing drivel (need to look up that word lol)
All those people on the list (20+) say Alienware have awsome PCs.

I can build you the statistical equivalent of an Alienware PC for hundreds of dollars less. They are not superpowered computers, they are not made with super ultra parts. They charge you more because you, just like everyone else who buys an Alienware, is gullible and believes marketing hype.