Musings of a Staff Member

[Lance]

Originally posted by TripleE


That's all a joke to me...why are the names hidden?they arent real? o.O

I respect their privacy. Here's another:

[person7] (12/18/2003 5:20:44 PM):
Wow man, that's heavy what ppl say to you. If you ask me, TripleE is just mad
at the fact that he got banned for harassment, and I do believe in the rules that it
is fair and he is interupting you.

[TripleE]

Originally posted by raymond


I think I speak for everyone when I say: Shut up...

I think I speak for myself, and the other person this concerns when I say, Mind your own business.

Originally posted by Lance


I respect their privacy. Here's another:

Ive never been refered to as TripleE, these are obvisouly your suck ups. Let's tlak to the people youve banned in the past, or pissed off in the passed.

[greeno]

After reading through this I realize this is a good example of what my english course is teaching me about right now. It's called Naturalism.
Naturalism (for you who don't know) states that men are powerless agaist a natural force, the second part is that men assume the worst of each other which, from what I have read so far is what is happening to Tseng, it seems everyone is assuming the worst of him. I don't know who started the agruement, or why but we can assume is that it won't stop untill Either Tseng quits or TripleE (sorry, can't recall your graal name) gets his account back.

[TripleE]

Originally posted by greeno
After reading through this I realize this is a good example of what my english course is teaching me about right now. It's called Naturalism.
Naturalism (for you who don't know) states that men are powerless agaist a natural force, the second part is that men assume the worst of each other which, from what I have read so far is what is happening to Tseng, it seems everyone is assuming the worst of him. I don't know who started the agruement, or why but we can assume is that it won't stop untill Either Tseng quits or TripleE (sorry, can't recall your graal name) gets his account back.

I'm Black Sabbath.Yes I will not stop until I am unbanned. If I was banned for something lawful, and fair, I dont think I would be complaining. But he was distracting and harassing em from my play by Disconnecting me for no reason. And I still have yet to see these PM's and Masses that say I was massing somthing lol, dont knwo what,but Jagen keeps talking about it.

[disaster]

Personally, I think, actually, I know Tseng is not corrupt. I have known him before he was ever staff on graal2001. Then when he did Become staff such as Events Team Admin and Manager, he never did a single thing that could be called "being corrupt". Why would he change from being an awesome staff member to a corrupt person who bans people he does not like? If he did ban you, you most likely deserved it. I'm sorry, but it is true.

But, I also do believe in second chances. I don't know the full story behind what happened and I don't know if the person who got banned did in fact get a second chance but if he didn't, I feel he should have if he understood what he did was wrong.

People lose their temper sometimes. They get angry and upset because they are having a bad day or things just aren't going their way. In fact, I remember one time Tseng and I got in a argument which grew into a huge fight. It resulted in me losing me job as an ET on graal2001. (This was back a long time ago when it was still popular). Later on, I realized I said things I shouldn't have said and I told him I was sorry and he did give me a second chance. I got my job back.

Obviously people who hack don't deserve second chances because thats their own idiotic mistake, but people who lose their temper do deserve one because sometimes you can't hold yourself back from saying things you will regret later. Maybe Tseng will wait about a week then unban you or maybe he will
never. Just remember, it is his decision so don't talk about him badly anymore, show him you deserve a second chance and maybe you will get it.

(This is Gladiator (Hybrid))

[greeno]

Black Sabbath... that sound familiar...
Oh hey I think we used to spar in the trade house...

Anyway, I'm going to just watch from now on unless something really makes me wanna post, good luck... err both of you... (I'm neutral on sides right now)

[Lance]

Gladiator: Yes, I do remember that.

If Black Sabbath realized his error in dealing with the problem he perceived, I'd be glad to give him another chance. But, I really don't think he will, though. And, at this point, if he did, I would wonder if he really meant it - especially after all he's said on the forums and in PMs. *sigh*

[TripleE]

Originally posted by disaster
Personally, I think, actually, I know Tseng is not corrupt. I have known him before he was ever staff on graal2001. Then when he did Become staff such as Events Team Admin and Manager, he never did a single thing that could be called "being corrupt". Why would he change from being an awesome staff member to a corrupt person who bans people he does not like? If he did ban you, you most likely deserve. I'm sorry, but it is true.

if you dont remember...I worked with you all on Graal 2001 for a very long time! I know what Tseng used to be like. He changed when he started banning players, and adding things to his account. He has given his friends things, and he has given me gold keys before.

[TripleE]

Originally posted by Lance
Gladiator: Yes, I do remember that.

If Black Sabbath realized his error in dealing with the problem he perceived, I'd be glad to give him another chance. But, I really don't think he will, though. And, at this point, if he did, I would wonder if he really meant it - especially after all he's said on the forums and in PMs. *sigh*

I believe I purposed an agreement. And it would be the same for anyone who you banned,though they might not voice it like I did. I did appologize, and I promised you Id remove all the "harmful to you" stuff. Wait wheres that bad sig tseng? I was kind and removed it! You dont give second chances, if you did, would I still be typing right now? No, Id be playing.

[Lance]

Originally posted by TripleE


if you dont remember...I worked with you all on Graal 2001 for a very long time! I know what Tseng used to be like. He changed when he started banning players, and adding things to his account. He has given his friends things, and he has given me gold keys before.

You worked there for a while, but did almost nothing.

What have I "added to my account" other than the changed graphic shield?

What have I "given to my friends"?

And, I gave you those gold keys to reverse a bug which affected your account. See, this is where intelligence comes into play - If you had some, you would remember more than what suits you.

[Lance]

Originally posted by TripleE

I believe I purposed an agreement. And it would be the same for anyone who you banned,though they might not voice it like I did. I did appologize, and I promised you Id remove all the "harmful to you" stuff. Wait wheres that bad sig tseng? I was kind and removed it! You dont give second chances, if you did, would I still be typing right now? No, Id be playing.

I appreciate you acquiescing to follow the rules and removing your offensive signature.

But, you don't believe you've done anything wrong, though - herein lies the problem. You don't get a second chance if you don't deserve it, and a prerequisite for getting one is acknowledging that you did something wrong. Spreading rumors of corruption and harrassing me are two no-nos.

[TripleE]

Originally posted by Lance


You worked there for a while, but did almost nothing.

What have I "added to my account" other than the changed graphic shield?

What have I "given to my friends"?

And, I gave you those gold keys to reverse a bug which affected your account. See, this is where intelligence comes into play - If you had some, you would remember more than what suits you.

There you go again, harassing em about my intelligence level, just because you dont think it is up to yours Explain the Brutals, everyone says you and Jagen give them, explain how Padren,Wren,and Zoe appear with items, when they WERENT EVENTED OFF!We talked about this in the PM's which you just replied with dumb stuff like calling me a twit or w/e.... I still have no idea why the other admins are not reading this...you are corrupt, I have no commited any violation of the graal online user agreement, or code of conduct. You still do not have any proff to show me of my actions, and I still ahve no idea what mass messages jagen is talking about, and I still wanna see PM history of me harassing you.

lol and about em doing nothing, I asked you almsot every week...anything cant help with, anything you want redone?You know imnot jsut sfx I can do everything...you alwasy said...nah nothing at the moment...or something like that...then you asked for some monster sounds...bush,rock monsters? correct? ever finsih thoughs?well i had uploaded the sounds...any thanks or anything for them? no, so i said. screw this place, im done. none of my work was thanks,or appriciated. I helped Krakken, Cheetos with some things. You underestimated my work.

[disaster]

I would like for you to answer me something. Do you honestly think that EVERYBODY who plays Graal Kingdoms is power hungry and will only do things that benfit themselves? Because if you do, your sadly mistaken.

In fact, right now, I am helping a player build 3 houses. You may remember him as Setez on graal2001. His name now is Ashtin. I offered to help him because honestly, I was bored and I like making new friends. I did not ask for anything in return, not even one of the houses I am helping to build. As of now, I have gave 450 boards, 88 stone, and 180 nails.

Most of the powerful players probably say, "Why do this if you get nothing?". I will just simply respond, "Because I like to and this server isn't just about becoming as powerful as you can".

If Tseng wants to give out items that he got himself to players, don't say, "Oh man, hes giving out expensive items, he must be corrupt". Instead say, "Thank you" because maybe he just is giving it to you from his own inventory and not from his RC.

[TripleE]

Originally posted by disaster
I would like for you to answer me something. Do you honestly think that EVERYBODY who plays Graal Kingdoms is power hungry and will only do things that benfit themselves? Because if you do, your sadly mistaken.

In fact, right now, I am helping a player build 3 houses. You may remember him as Setez on graal2001. His name now is Ashtin. I offered to help him because honestly, I was bored and I like making new friends. I did not ask for anything in return, not even one of the houses I am helping to build. As of now, I have gave 450 boards, 88 stone, and 180 nails.

Most of the powerful players probably say, "Why do this if you get nothing?". I will just simply respond, "Because I like to and this server isn't just about becoming as powerful as you can".

If Tseng wants to give out items that he got himself to players, don't say, "Oh man, hes giving out expensive items, he must be corrupt". Instead say, "Thank you" because maybe he just is giving it to you from his own inventory and not from his RC.

No he wasnt adding them to his inventory, I asked him where he got them, he said he was adding them to his account. I just want an admin to read those logs before they destory them, and I am greatly ashamed at Jagen right now, I just uncoverd something that I cannot share. But Tseng, I do think I deserve another chance, and you not coorperating with anything I ask wont make things better. And Gladiator, you cant take Tseng's side because he has changed, I have no idea what happened between me and him,but ever since I defended some friends who got banned,he has changed on me,and now he took it to far and banned me.

[Lance]

Originally posted by TripleE

There you go again, harassing em about my intelligence level, just because you dont think it is up to yours

This one's simple - it isn't.

Explain the Brutals, everyone says you and Jagen give them,

Jagen traded anU 50 stacked brutals for 50 regular brutals. I've said it before. I have made ~10 brutals in my LIFE, the logs can be checked for this one. Get one of your 'buddies who checked logs to verify that i was creating items (sidenote: bviously I make items, it's my job) to look through it to prove that.

explain how Padren,Wren,and Zoe appear with items, when they WERENT EVENTED OFF!

-What items?

We talked about this in the PM's which you just replied with dumb stuff like calling me a twit or w/e

You were acting like one.

.... I still have no idea why the other admins are not reading this...

Me neither. You should have been forum-banned several hours ago.

you are corrupt,

I am not.

I have no commited any violation of the graal online user agreement, or code of conduct.

Read the subsection on harassment, please.

You still do not have any proff to show me of my actions, and I still ahve no idea what mass messages jagen is talking about, and I still wanna see PM history of me harassing you.

Here's one: "Corruption is dirty, you bastard." Want me to find others? Like the one where you asked me to read your profile, and when you told me that I was going to be fired soon?

[Zurkiba]

Here is the deal...

The players can lie about what they did... but so can the administration.

[protagonist]

Just ignore stupid people. That solves everything. If they get too stupid to stay on Graal, ban them.

[disaster]

Your right, Tseng did change but not in the way that you think. He has grown more mature and responsible. For somebody to get the staff positions he has, you have to be.

He has done great things for the servers he has worked. And the fact of the matter is, you do not know what Tseng has been doing or why he has been doing it because your not him. Who knows, maybe he is the most corrupt staff in the world, which I dont believe he is, you still don't know anything.

I believe there is reasoning behind whatever he has done. If you don't believe this, you should find and submit real evidence stating otherwise. However, if you can't find anything that proves Tseng has been corrupt all this time, maybe, just maybe, your wrong. Has that thought ever occured to you? Because if it hasn't, you won't win this fight.

If you have realized you are wrong and wont admit it because you don't want to say your wrong and sorry, then I feel bad for you. You can't win everything and by admitting your wrong and you honestly mean that, Tseng will most likely show respect towards you and unban you. You never know, eventually, you two could become friends again.

(P.S. - look! its Zurkiba!!!)

[Lance]

Originally posted by Zurkiba
Here is the deal...

The players can lie about what they did... but so can the administration.

When I am accused of something that logs can disprove, there is no question at hand.

[TripleE]

Originally posted by Lance


Read the subsection on harassment, please.



Here's one: "Corruption is dirty, you bastard." Want me to find others? Like the one where you asked me to read your profile, and when you told me that I was going to be fired soon?

Im talking about in game not on these forums gosh damnit. Why should I have been banned several hours ago? I removed the offensive content from my profile, be happy it's gone, you seemed pretty upset when it was in there. I said I wanted you fired soon, you are corrupt, I did say Corruption is dirty...IT IS, and I did call you a bastard, I was RP'ing? lol Youve cursed at players before, dont act like it's something bad, but if you want to have me banned for calling you a bastard heh, I dunno what to say.

[TripleE]

Originally posted by Lance


When I am accused of something that logs can disprove, there is no question at hand.

How is making items your job? Making items for events at certain times is your job. not giving them out to people, when there isnt even an event going on. Let's move to Jagen then if the logs disprove you. Explain where the stuff he gives out comes from? You guys ban james forbeing corrupt, but when 2 admins hold hands and do the same thing, it is acceptable. Wow, I dont see why kingdoms is run by silly players,and not by admins.

[disaster]

Read my last reply on page 4....... Because you might realize something.

[TripleE]

Originally posted by disaster
Read my last reply on page 4....... Because you might realize something.

Searching for your point? I didnt see anything that helps me any. Im sorry.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tseng...
He could have asked me: "Why are there stacked brutals floating around?" and I could have responded with "There are stacked brutals because Jagen traded someone ~50 stacked brutals for 50 regular brutals. The person had complained about inventory space. Do I think Jagen should have done it? Nah. But, he did, and there's nothing that can be done about that now.

Weird, after re-reading all that from page 1, I checked my PM's box,and Jagen sent me a PM saying anU had an account bug... now hmm inventory space/account bug/more corruption? That is giving an advantage to a player...other players done gte stacked maps made?

[disaster]

Once again, read my last reply on page 4. Maybe Jagen is tell the truth. Just maybe he didn't think he had to tell you about all the player bugs and how he had to fix them. Player Bugs do happen, you have to realize this.

[TripleE]

Originally posted by disaster
Once again, read my last reply on page 4. Maybe Jagen is tell the truth. Just maybe he didn't think he had to tell you about all the player bugs and how he had to fix them. Player Bugs do happen, you have to realize this.

Stop trying to cover the admins alright. You arent really involved in this, and I already told you, you post just supports Tseng, which is something im not doing right now. And it doesnt help either way. Ido not believe Tseng is a good admin anymore. Im also trying to think why he doesnt help 2k1 anymore. Remeber when he set the countdown for released to 2 weeks?It got to 0 and it still wasnt open ROFL...how many weeks later till it opened?lol yes a very committed manager. So just stop Gladiator, Maybe Tseng will give you some hats or w/e on 2k1, or mayeb some items he will make will be heading your way soon,you never know, do you?

[TripleE]

Well this is my concluding post. For tonight, and forever in this thread. Stefan just sent me a PM, that I just need to be confrencing with him until he figures out whast going on. Good Lucky Tseng

[Lance]

And another corruption allegation, how moorishly predictable.

The 2k1 countdown was ruined because Stefan took a vacation and could not reset all the accounts, and we were counting on that to reopen. Wow. That's really my fault, yaknow?

Regardless - I give you an A for effort. Good luck, indeed.

[disaster]

I would like to add that even though it seemed I was on Tseng's side, I wasn't. I was just trying to show you that there is usually reasoning behind peoples actions. You were only determined to destroy Tseng and fire him. You did not look on both sides of the situation, only your side.

You say I am not involved, I say I am. If Tseng does get fired because of the stuff your saying which I think is *bleep*, it would affect the whole server. Tseng does lots of work and if he got fired, things would not get done. Its the truth.

(P.S. - Look at the new 2002 God's thread I posted, it may create new blessings and new choices of Gods other then Ogma, govannon, and bile.)

[zell12]

All I can say is wow. I thought Tseng would of turned out to be another one of those staffers like Jagen, who give out free potions and items to *******s like Brad. But I don't think he is. Mabey his judgement is blurred by the retardness of some of the people on the server too slow enough to realise what they are doing is wrong. But whatever the punishment, for whatever the wrong-doing, it is always right, because the Administrator is god.

Woo, i'm tired, just got home from that LoTR movie, its cool...

Anyway, Tseng, you should just close this with some final words, like mabey a full account of the actions Black sabawhateverhisname is did, and what you did in return? Mabey it will stop this, I don't know.

[Python523]

Originally posted by zell12
All I can say is wow. I thought Tseng would of turned out to be another one of those staffers like Jagen, who give out free potions and items to *******s like Brad. But I don't think he is. Mabey his judgement is blurred by the retardness of some of the people on the server too slow enough to realise what they are doing is wrong. But whatever the punishment, for whatever the wrong-doing, it is always right, because the Administrator is god.

Oh nos. the guy who asked me for free items is calling me corrupt Quit the harassment Cali, I'm SICK of the bs you're giving me on the forums.

[Splke]

Wowza... thats alot of readding... i wanna goto sleep now

Anywhom, my 2 cents... Black accused Tseng of being corrupt, not "politely" asking or politely asking, simply with a hint of sarcaism, (or repeatedly asking)... But, I dont have any 2 cents really...

Padren = has a hammer now... He's never had one before, I keep track of hammers :O
Zoe / Wren / Ana (Renis friend) = All have hammers as well

Zoe says she got hers from her sister, or daughter. Wren says she got hers from her Daughter. Ana says she got hers from Wren... *boggles* Its kinda, like, a triangle of "I got from"'s.. anywhom, im tired, and am not making much sense...

bai

o, and gladiator... **** and gtfa (shut the **** up and go the **** away)

[zell12]

Silly Jagen, trix are for kids.

[Satrek2000]

Originally posted by TripleE
Weird, after re-reading all that from page 1, I checked my PM's box,and Jagen sent me a PM saying anU had an account bug... now hmm inventory space/account bug/more corruption?

You know what happens when you have a large number of items in your inventory? It glitches, displaying the whole bunch several times, sometimes in a loop, which can be quite annoying. Bags can help, but I see the point in that.

I also see how this thread developed into one where you desperatly try to blame Tseng for whatever you did, because I'm rather inclined to believe him and some others here than your accusations.
Tseng is doing a good job - if that means he has to do things you don't like, you'll have to cope with it.

[--Chris--]

Ahoy! I've gotta be a bit brief here, 4:40am and I gotta run ;-;

Triple<what's his face> - Dude I don't blame anyone for questioning your intelligence nor insulting you in relation to it. You deserve to be banned on GK, you constantly + intentionally harrass staff members, ruin events, bluntly ask to be penalised as if you believe you can't be then whine about things using false, unthought information (sometimes justbased on assumptions.)

As for Tseng - I've been a friend of his for quite some time, I doubt there is alot of people on Graal that knows him as well as I do and let me tell you:
He's just about the least corrupt (and least likely to go corrupt) person I know on Graal. He sincerely enjoys helping and is quite capable of efficiently managing all of his current jobs simultaneously. Oh and if he indeed gave away all of those extremely useful items unjustly (which he didn't,) I believe I would have known first hand

[dlang]

When I first started reading this thread I thought Tseng is corrupt.

But now, after reading it all, I think that he isn't.
And whoever got banned paid the price.

kay thx bai

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by Splke

Padren = has a hammer now... He's never had one before, I keep track of hammers :O
Zoe / Wren / Ana (Renis friend) = All have hammers as well

Zoe says she got hers from her sister, or daughter. Wren says she got hers from her Daughter. Ana says she got hers from Wren... *boggles* Its kinda, like, a triangle of "I got from"'s.. anywhom, im tired, and am not making much sense...

I got mine from Zoe and Ana, and I can assure you they worked hard to purchase it, as well as the others.


Zoe, Wren and Ana all work quite hard for their plat, and before anyone attacks Zoe for making plat blessing weapons or such, just remember that without her around there would not even be anyone with the wisdom lvl to bless weapons so high in the game - players would have one less plus at least on their freshly prepped weapons if she hadn't worked so hard, so recognize her contributions to the game, don't attack her for them.


Based on this thread, I would say there should be an admin script that lists all event items in the game that staff can check weekly just to see who added what items.

Then they can quickly retort they know for a fact, the number of hammers last week and this week are the same.

Afterthought: If you don't know how anyone got their hammers, you can't be keeping track of hammers too well, did you consider asking the people you tracked previously had them if they or when they sold them?

[Lance]

My sincere apologies for my exhibited lack of patience earlier in this thread.

If anyone has a question about some items, or about an administrative action, they can contact me. I would much prefer being asked than to have rumors spread about me, especially untrue ones such as the allegation that I was responsible for the brutals that were passed out. As long as your question isn't worded in an accusatory manner, and sometimes even if it is, I've got no problems with answering a friendly question.

TripleE took the wrong path - He decided me to be corrupt, spread this rumor to everyone he knew, listened to every rumor that was floating around about me, assumed they were true, spread those rumors too, and then started harrassing myself and others about it.

The alternative to TripleE's behavior is the one I described - the path to find the truth, rather than to spread lies, beliefs, and twisted versions of the truth. I'll be the first to admit that sometimes things can seem suspicious, such as the stuff with the stacked brutals. However, I talked to Jagen, asked if he knew what was up with those, and he explained what happened to me, as I already explained in this thread. I didn't go "HEY JAGEN YOU MADE A BUNCH OF BRUTALS WTF IS UP U R CORRUPT", as that would not only be unprofessional, unkind, untrusting, but also very unproductive as well.

In closing, I just ask that people think about what they do and what they say, as the wrong approach can lead to adverse consequences. If people would just put some thought into their actions, the world (and graal) would be a much nicer place.

[TripleE]

Originally posted by Lance
My sincere apologies for my exhibited lack of patience earlier in this thread.

If anyone has a question about some items, or about an administrative action, they can contact me. I would much prefer being asked than to have rumors spread about me, especially untrue ones such as the allegation that I was responsible for the brutals that were passed out. As long as your question isn't worded in an accusatory manner, and sometimes even if it is, I've got no problems with answering a friendly question.

TripleE took the wrong path - He decided me to be corrupt, spread this rumor to everyone he knew, listened to every rumor that was floating around about me, assumed they were true, spread those rumors too, and then started harrassing myself and others about it.

The alternative to TripleE's behavior is the one I described - the path to find the truth, rather than to spread lies, beliefs, and twisted versions of the truth. I'll be the first to admit that sometimes things can seem suspicious, such as the stuff with the stacked brutals. However, I talked to Jagen, asked if he knew what was up with those, and he explained what happened to me, as I already explained in this thread. I didn't go "HEY JAGEN YOU MADE A BUNCH OF BRUTALS WTF IS UP U R CORRUPT", as that would not only be unprofessional, unkind, untrusting, but also very unproductive as well.

In closing, I just ask that people think about what they do and what they say, as the wrong approach can lead to adverse consequences. If people would just put some thought into their actions, the world (and graal) would be a much nicer place.

Did you not get the PM from Stefan like I did, saying that you dont need to be degrading me once more? My behavior was fine, Stefan should ahve sent you PM's last night, like he did me. This is supossed to be settled.So stop saying my behavior was uncalled for or whatever, it wasnt, I dnt jump to conculsions off impulses, I make questions,and have them answered. I dont place blame if I dont have a reason to. And I was not harassing others. And for the last time, you said I harassed you, which I didn't because we only had 2 PM's before you banned me. Dont start lying more.

[TripleE]

Originally posted by disaster
I would like to add that even though it seemed I was on Tseng's side, I wasn't. I was just trying to show you that there is usually reasoning behind peoples actions. You were only determined to destroy Tseng and fire him. You did not look on both sides of the situation, only your side.

You say I am not involved, I say I am. If Tseng does get fired because of the stuff your saying which I think is *bleep*, it would affect the whole server. Tseng does lots of work and if he got fired, things would not get done. Its the truth.

(P.S. - Look at the new 2002 God's thread I posted, it may create new blessings and new choices of Gods other then Ogma, govannon, and bile.)

What work exactly does Tseng do, that would affect the whole server?Please tell me soemthing he does. Anyone can be an EM, and anyone can make items,and idle on RC. But please inform me of his work on Kingdoms,and his own server 2k1. This is over so, just stop posting in here Gladiator,you defending Tseng doesnt show much, espically when you dont even know what happened.

[thelostviking]

CAN YOU STOP THAT ON THE FORUM? GET AIM I DONT THINK MANY PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THIS!