Concerning only VIP's being able to make guilds

Unpredlctable · #1 12-06-2003, 04:52 AM

Why in the world are ONLY the users with VIP accounts the only ones allowed to create guilds. Many people who don't care about having the 'benefits' of being a VIP obviously only upgrade thier accounts to Gold. I, and probably many others, are execting to make guilds and such without paying the same amount again.
Seriously, what is the point of it? Exactly: no point. Pointless. Without a point. Lack of a point. k.

tlf288 · #2 12-06-2003, 05:08 AM

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Originally posted by Unpredlctable
Many people who don't care about having the 'benefits' of being a VIP obviously only upgrade thier accounts to Gold.

you obviously are. being able to make guilds are part of the "benefits" of being a vip.

Kappa00p2p · #3 12-06-2003, 05:09 AM

i think that vip accounts should be able to have 5 guild to get a benefit over the gold accounts but i think that active gold accounts should be able to create at least one guild...

deman1171 · #4 12-06-2003, 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by tlf288

you obviously are. being able to make guilds are part of the "benefits" of being a vip.

Exactly, if you want features such as making a global guild, then you need to have a VIP.
You can still get a VIP to make one and pass it on to you, join one, or make a local one.

Unpredlctable · #5 12-06-2003, 05:13 AM

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Originally posted by tlf288

you obviously are. being able to make guilds are part of the "benefits" of being a vip.

Not before the new, new, Guild CP. Though at that time I was still on trial, it stated that you had to have an upgraded account. I upgrade my account, then the guild CP is broke. The fix it. Still can't make guilds. Fix it again. Still can't make guilds BECAUSE THEY MADE IT SO ONLY VIPS CAN MAKE GUILDS. X_X...

Spark910 · #6 12-06-2003, 05:13 AM

I thought this already was the case... when VIP came out?

Unpredlctable · #7 12-06-2003, 05:14 AM

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Originally posted by Kappa00p2p
i think that vip accounts should be able to have 5 guild to get a benefit over the gold accounts but i think that active gold accounts should be able to create at least one guild...

Yes, at least ONE guild for crying out loud.

Unpredlctable · #8 12-06-2003, 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910
I thought this already was the case... when VIP came out?

Yes, when VIP came out, and when the Guild CP was fixed finally, they made it so that only VIP's can create guilds. As earlier stated, before VIP, Gold members could do so. In effect, you are degrading/lowering the benefits of a Gold Memebership.

Kappa00p2p · #9 12-06-2003, 05:28 AM

i thought the guild cp was abandoned so i upgraded my account for 1 year lastweek and before, you only needed a gold account to create a guild...Active Gold Members pay much more than vip members do =/

Minoc · #10 12-06-2003, 05:33 AM

You can create guilds with a VIP account, but not if you already own a guild.

Unpredlctable · #11 12-06-2003, 05:33 AM

I never really upgrade it for the Gold Servers. I only subscribed once. But still, the administration is lowering the value of the benefits of a Gold Membership of what it used to be before VIP's. In my eyes, it just an 'undercover' way to make more money. Just like the acutal invention of p2p's were on Graal.

Divider · #12 12-06-2003, 06:33 AM

I'm glad only VIP members can make guilds, it means I didn't buy a VIP account for no reason, because I already own a gold account.

Not that I want to make a guild..

Judge_S · #13 12-06-2003, 06:43 AM

The poll's options are just a tad biased, so I didn't use them.
Being a VIP member is all about receiving certain benefits that other plans don't get. We have very little as it is, and this is just one of the things that makes the VIP plan useful.

tlf288 · #14 12-06-2003, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by Judge_S

Being a VIP member is all about receiving certain benefits that other plans don't get. We have very little as it is, and this is just one of the things that makes the VIP plan useful.

there is nothing wrong with having vip only benefits. but when those benefits were just old gold benefits moved to vip only then that is pretty stupid. they should of created new vip only benefits, not just make old gold benefits vip only.

bo0ey · #15 12-06-2003, 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by tlf288

you obviously are. being able to make guilds are part of the "benefits" of being a vip.

When I registered my account, it said I would be able to create
guilds. So if they change it, they are violating our contract and
I will be able to sue them. And I will.

Because I can.

tlf288 · #16 12-06-2003, 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by bo0ey

When I registered my account, it said I would be able to create
guilds. So if they change it, they are violating our contract and
I will be able to sue them. And I will. Because I can.

yea, sure you will. how many times have i heard this?

Darlene159 · #17 12-06-2003, 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by bo0ey

When I registered my account, it said I would be able to create
guilds. So if they change it, they are violating our contract and
I will be able to sue them. And I will. Because I can.

It also says somewhere, that they have the right to change things as they see fit (not in those words, but same difference)

bo0ey · #18 12-06-2003, 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by Darlene159
It also says somewhere, that they have the right to change things as they see fit (not in those words, but same difference)

Yes, changing policy.. This does not include removing subscription packages. I expect to get what I pay for, which is why i paid for it.
GraalOnline does not have the right to sell something, and then
as soon as it is paid for, take it away. That would be considered
"conning" The word which also means scamming when done by a con-artist

Admins · #19 12-06-2003, 07:44 AM

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Originally posted by bo0ey

When I registered my account, it said I would be able to create
guilds. So if they change it, they are violating our contract and
I will be able to sue them. And I will. Because I can.

Where did it say that? The guilds stuff is not mentioned in the account creation and upgrading information as far as i know, it was removed one year ago. Please be serious when discussing here, better convince us to improve things instead of saying you will sue us :/

Python523 · #20 12-06-2003, 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by bo0ey

Because I can.

Really?

Birthday September 28th, 1987

Unless your parents are crazy enough to let you sue, then you cannot. Lawyers are expensive, plus the fact that Cyberjoueurs is in France is going to make it even more complicated

unixmad · #21 12-06-2003, 09:53 AM

We had a discussion at cyberjoueurs about who hould be able to create a guild and we have decided that VIP only will be able to create guild:

We don't want all new gold account to create a guild and become a guild manager so we have reserved creation to VIP ( mostly oldbies or very motivated Graal players )

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Originally posted by Unpredlctable
Why in the world are ONLY the users with VIP accounts the only ones allowed to create guilds. Many people who don't care about having the 'benefits' of being a VIP obviously only upgrade thier accounts to Gold. I, and probably many others, are execting to make guilds and such without paying the same amount again.
Seriously, what is the point of it? Exactly: no point. Pointless. Without a point. Lack of a point. k.

haunter · #22 12-06-2003, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by unixmad
We had a discussion at cyberjoueurs about who hould be able to create a guild and we have decided that VIP only will be able to create guild:

We don't want all new gold account to create a guild and become a guild manager so we have reserved creation to VIP ( mostly oldbies or very motivated Graal players )

What if, instead of making it so Gold subscribers have to pay $20 for a VIP account to make a guild, you can charge a few dollars to Gold subscribers to make one? Perhaps that would work out.

Thallen · #23 12-06-2003, 10:12 AM

As a VIP, currently, there aren't too many benefits, so I think it should stay the way it is, with VIP-only creation.

Unpredlctable · #24 12-06-2003, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by tlf288

there is nothing wrong with having vip only benefits. but when those benefits were just old gold benefits moved to vip only then that is pretty stupid. they should of created new vip only benefits, not just make old gold benefits vip only.

Exactly, that's my point. You have taken away a benefit of being a Gold Membership, therefore, decreasing its value, but, for SOME REASON, the price is INCREASED, not decreased ALONG with the value of it. And, that's a much better idea than just changing Gold Membership benfits and making them VIP. It's crazy!

Unpredlctable · #25 12-06-2003, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by bo0ey

Yes, changing policy.. This does not include removing subscription packages. I expect to get what I pay for, which is why i paid for it.
GraalOnline does not have the right to sell something, and then
as soon as it is paid for, take it away. That would be considered
"conning" The word which also means scamming when done by a con-artist

THANK you.

Unpredlctable · #26 12-06-2003, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by Thallen
As a VIP, currently, there aren't too many benefits, so I think it should stay the way it is, with VIP-only creation.

The VIP membership shouldnt have been created in the first place! Its just another way to rake in the cash. Before VIPs, Gold Memberships could create guilds-- as many as they wanted. But now look; they can't make A SINGLE ONE! Only VIP's. To become a VIP, if you were someone who bought the Gold Memership package before VIPs, then you are expecting that your benefits will never be screwed with; that they will stay the same; that you won't be conned, as stated before is what is happening to us.

Unpredlctable · #27 12-06-2003, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by haunter

What if, instead of making it so Gold subscribers have to pay $20 for a VIP account to make a guild, you can charge a few dollars to Gold subscribers to make one? Perhaps that would work out.

Sounds like a great idea to me.

Note: Oh, and sorry for the multiple posts. Not sure how to put more than one quote in a single posting. If someone would just quickly explain how...

Thallen · #28 12-06-2003, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by bo0ey

When I registered my account, it said I would be able to create
guilds. So if they change it, they are violating our contract and
I will be able to sue them. And I will. Because I can.

Go for it. Make sure you tape it, too, I'm sure everyone on Graal wants to see you get 'owned' in court.

superb · #29 12-06-2003, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Unpredlctable

Sounds like a great idea to me.

Note: Oh, and sorry for the multiple posts. Not sure how to put more than one quote in a single posting. If someone would just quickly explain how...

Read the bloody rules...NO DOUBLE POSTING and certainly NO TRIPLE POSTING

Unpredlctable · #30 12-06-2003, 08:05 PM

Allllright sorry. It would make things easier if I would be given an explanation of multiple quotes in one post. I'll remember no double/triple/quaudruple posting. EDIT: *goes to read the rules*
Ha, see I edited. k.

Also, a semi-hypothetical question: If I WERE to decide to purchase a VIP Membership after my Gold Subscription expired (which it will in less than fourteen days), would I still be able to upgrade my membership to VIP status without having to re-subscribe to the Gold Memebership? Or would I be able to upgrade to VIP without doing that?

VeX_RaT_Boy · #31 12-06-2003, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by Unpredlctable
Allllright sorry. It would make things easier if I would be given an explanation of multiple quotes in one post. I'll remember no double/triple/quaudruple posting. EDIT: *goes to read the rules*
Ha, see I edited. k.

Also, a semi-hypothetical question: If I WERE to decide to purchase a VIP Membership after my Gold Subscription expired (which it will in less than fourteen days), would I still be able to upgrade my membership to VIP status without having to re-subscribe to the Gold Memebership? Or would I be able to upgrade to VIP without doing that?

You don't need gold to have VIP and "vice versa"....

MagicalTux · #32 12-06-2003, 09:44 PM

Maybe you should have a look on this page :
http://www.graalonline.com/guilds/gu...p?type=pending

Look how many guilds have only 1 player...

The guilds aren't designed to allow you to have a nice thing after your nickname but to allow you to make a "group" with your friends.
Now look at the suspended guild list... lots of guilds with less than 10 members. I think the quality of guilds should be improved instead of the quantity.

Unpredlctable · #33 12-06-2003, 09:48 PM

So after a gold accout would expire (meaning I would not be able to acess the Gold Servers), I would still be able to buy VIP without resubscribing for Gold. So just the 19 dollars for VIP. Correct?

superb · #34 12-06-2003, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by Unpredlctable
So after a gold accout would expire (meaning I would not be able to acess the Gold Servers), I would still be able to buy VIP without resubscribing for Gold. So just the 19 dollars for VIP. Correct?

Yes...but if you want to play gold servers on days other than the weekend you need to purchase gold time.

Unpredlctable · #35 12-06-2003, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by sYnergy247
We were promised it when we payed for VIP. Paying extra means you get extra.

Didn't you read what I said before? Before VIPs were made, there was Gold, and Trial Memberships. At that time, Gold members could make guilds. But when VIP's came out, they totally took that away from gold members, therefore decreasing the value and benefits of a gold membership. Fine, pay extra if you want, but I am not going to pay extra for something that I shouldve recieved before. Once I had finally got an upgraded account, I came to see that the CP was partially broken, not allowing me to make guilds. Then, when it was finally fixed, I come to find that they changed the rules, letting ONLY VIPs make guilds. Its crazy is what it is. We are barley getting extra. We are getting one extra benefit. Those on Gold lose benefits.

Nitkizi · #36 12-07-2003, 03:27 AM

Unpredictable, here's a nice little antecdote for ya..

Life sucks, and then die.

Sorry, but not everything in life is going to go your way, I paid for VIP so that I may be one of the first to try out the brand new Graal3d..I have about 4 months left of VIP..Other than guild creation, VIP members have nothing right now (or nothing that I can think of?)..Things change over time.

Unpredlctable · #37 12-07-2003, 04:28 AM

Yeah, life may not be fair and it may suck, but why try to make it worse. They shouldve just left it alone instead of degrading the value and benefits of the Gold Membership. But why even try to get them to change it? We know they're not. w/e k.

ETD · #38 12-07-2003, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by sYnergy247
We were promised it when we payed for VIP. Paying extra means you get extra.

from what I remember, VIP's were promised to be able to test new features, and use things, before the other players...

VIP access, and stuff, was given to VIP's first, to test... but was just never given to Gold account members, because they never finnished the guild system.
o.o
I am pretty sure Gold members were supposed to be given full access after it was finnished.

superb · #39 12-07-2003, 11:22 AM

Don't forget that VIP gets one year forum access as well.

Unpredlctable · #40 12-07-2003, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by ETD

from what I remember, VIP's were promised to be able to test new features, and use things, before the other players...

VIP access, and stuff, was given to VIP's first, to test... but was just never given to Gold account members, because they never finnished the guild system.
o.o
I am pretty sure Gold members were supposed to be given full access after it was finnished.

Exactly my point.

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