Graal Ideas

[deman1171]

Well for one, graal needs to work on GTA, and graal2001 too, there official servers and need to be taken care of.
So someone needs to go on there, release something new and fun, maybe a tileset, some sort of new system, i dunno something to keep players happy, and for them to get a good playercount.
Graal online need to hire a third staff member, someone like koni.. i mean koni did alot for graal, helped design GK, helped with g2k1 and all that. and hes even making a new server that he could make into his own game and make tons off of, to put it on graal and help it out alot.
I mean with a little help, hiring someone new like Koni graal could be great.
First, you should get a new layout for the site, finish all the things, add some new things for VIP, finish the guild system, add new and updated info for GK and g2k1, and all that, then you should work on the forums.. maybe add something more then posting, like on some forums these stats like graal have are useful, like for in a RP forum or something, it could be alot of fun and attract new people to the forums, maybe add a better censor program and all that, make sure all this flaming stops.
Then after the site and forums are done, and then oasis is out, lots of new people are on graal and oasis is gold and GK has barely any people, koni would probally like to come back, i mean you should accept him, he has done so much for graal.. then he could do stuff for the graal official servers, like maybe add something new and fun to Graal:The adventure, maybe somehow get them an npc server, then probally by that time Graal2001 will have lots of staff, kingdoms will be out, bomys and all that, new RP events, maybe a advanced graal tileset, new gui, all that will be on Graal2001, and the new bodies too.. it will be all hott and the tons of new players that came for oasis and the forums will check out the two graal official servers, they will be all wow and love it, start playing that when there time is out, and by that time azuretek will be in charge of Delteria, and it will be alot better, and then Shaded Legend will be all cool, and all those other new PW's will be out, then Graal will be filled with tons of people like any other MMORPG, graal the adventure, graal2001, most playerworlds, oasis and all that will be great, have tons of players and things to do, graal will be an awesome fun place, the site viewed daily to see all these things and manage guilds, and then lots of people will come play on the forums, socialize with fellow graalians, stefan most likely will already have all those new things added to GK, then maybe koni/whoever could work on that a little, update the tileset a bit, add a new clothes system and new heads, hairstyles, bodies, better classes, alot of new and cool RP like things, alot of new great fun stuff to do on GK.. then lots of players will be there... and then graal will be great, it will have two totally different but both fun gold servers, a whole ton of great official graal servers, and lots of playerworlds, and each one will be filled with tons of people.

Then of course the new version of graal and scripting will be out, graal client and scripting will be very advanced and easy, a new playerlist and all that set up, tons of better non-buggy stuff.. a new client layout and possibilites i hope.. then maybe a better more advanced tab system, seperating gold, then classic (hopefully called silver) and official or something somehow...


What do you guys think?

[Lance]

Koni was a GM. He quit because he didn't feel the admins listened to enough of his suggestions for graal kingdoms, or something else similarly trivial.

[Scott]

Originally posted by deman1171
Hello, my name is Scott. I like to quote *entire* posts, thus making my post freaking HUGE!
- Galen

The website does not need a new layout, it's fine the way it is. GuildCP will most likely be worked on after v3 is completed. Forums do not need RP elements. This is a communication/argument center, not a role-playing community. Check out this place if you want a rp forum. You have to understand then when Oasis comes out, the gaming community will not know. Dont think that Oasis will make graal alot of money. Most likely a few dozen players will upgrade to gold for it, that's it. I have never seen a graal advertisement in my life. Graal2001 staff are trying their hardest. Shadowless has done two kingdoms by himself. I'm working on the horde project and other mini-things. Gryffon is planning alot for the server. There isn't a big development team, so we are going slow. Graal2001 does not need a new tileset damnitt, it's fine the way it is. It still has a Graal feel to it. GK ruined G2k1. Period. Everyone was wishy washy at the fancy pencil art. Graal2001 does not need a GUI either. Why do you think it needs a gui? WHY? Graal will never ammount to be like a real mmporg. Real ones have updates, large staff groups, and many other things. Other mmporgs have like what, 3000 people per server? We have 200 max average max on a playerworld. If I was to look for a mmporg right now, and saw RO and GO placed beside eachother, which do you think I would pick? This VIP thing was a just a ripoff. All we got was a fancy tag. It takes 1 minute to add the VIP forum, and I know how long it takes because I have used vB before. Did we get it? No.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by deman1171
and hes even making a new server that he could make into his own game and make tons off of, to put it on graal and help it out alot.

Making a Graal PW is considerably easier than making a standalone MMORPG.

[deman1171]

Koni said he'd want to be back on the team, i'm pretty sure graal wants to go pretty big, it's done great so far and i didn't say just rp, i said new things damnit.
And the thing is almost every server uses that same gui and tileset, the same gui and tileset just a little updated would be nice, it's just one idea.
I think my ideas would help alot, and they could use new people.
And actually, graal could be alot better, and i would choose GO.

[Scott]

Graal wont get new people just because of ideas. They need to advertise in magazines, but they wont because that costs money.

[deman1171]

Originally posted by Scott
Graal wont get new people just because of ideas. They need to advertise in magazines, but they wont because that costs money.

Graal has alot of talent, and so many talanted people play it.. i mean if they just hired a few people like Koni, and kaimetsu perhaps to help them out and then pay them, graal could have so much more and be alot funner...
And someone really should get it on magazines, websites, all that..

[Lance]

Originally posted by deman1171
Koni said he'd want to be back on the team,

That's nice. Perhaps tell him to send the letter back in time, to before he stormed out of the scene, when the idea might have had some usefulness. If someone quits an important job over a trivial reason, and leaves with a torrent of criticisms rather than working to improve things, they aren't just going to be welcomed back with open arms. Besides, it's not as though he was that effective a GM.

[azuretek23]

I kinda wonder why people allways say that graal cant compete...

maybe it's because they dont bother to pay people for their work, it's more of a community thing. I'm sure if people were paid to make player worlds the quality would be higher and more people would want to play (making more money for graal)

one difference though, graal isn't a monthly subscription so it cant afford to pay lots of people. I'm sure they dont have very many new users and going off and paying someone to make them good things is a big risk.

I say, how about a referall program? like, instead of paying monthly you can pay in referalls. If your referalls exceed X amount you get a discount on people that sign up through your playerworld. Also if you get alot of referalls per month maybe you can get 10% of sales. A referall system would more than likely increase revenue for graal at no cost to them. Plus if the people making the playerworlds see some feedback they can get more people signing up and the quality of the game higher. This strategy would probably end up being best for graal but I know this post will be lost in the ongoing world which is the graal online forums..

[deman1171]

Originally posted by Lance


That's nice. Mail the letter to several months ago, when it might have mattered (though, considering everything that was going on, it probably wouldn't have anyway). If someone quits over a trivial reason, they aren't just going to be welcomed back with open arms. And, it's not as though he was that effective a GM, anyway.

He did alot, he did whatever he told him to do, he helped design GK and did alot for that from what i heard.
He has done alot for Graal, and actually likes it alot, most people hate it, but he really wants to help out.
I just would like to see something done, but all it seems there doing is wanting money from crappy PW's run by ten year olds..

[deman1171]

(Sorry for double post) :X but cyborjors the company itself could use alot of help, i mean it's a comapny, it needs alot of staff so they can actually get something done.

[Lance]

Originally posted by deman1171

He did alot, he did whatever he told him to do, he helped design GK and did alot for that from what i heard.
He has done alot for Graal, and actually likes it alot, most people hate it, but he really wants to help out.
I just would like to see something done, but all it seems there doing is wanting money from crappy PW's run by ten year olds..

(Side note, I edited my second post in this thread to clarify a bit)

While he was a GM:

Graal Kingdoms: Released overpowered items which further unbalanced the server, while simultaneously preaching about how horribly things were going there, how imbalanced/unfair the server was, how horrible he thought it was dealing with stefan/unixmad, etc. A bit of foresight would have told him that making such strong items would not have improved the balance of the game.

Graal2001: Ignored - Koni was "too busy doing things for 2k2" and later claimed he was ordered to not do things for graal2001.

The forums: Silly words were censored.

Maybe he's done a lot for graal, but that work would definitely come from being a developer, not from being an administrator.

Originally posted by deman1171
(Sorry for double post) :X but cyborjors the company itself could use alot of help, i mean it's a comapny, it needs alot of staff so they can actually get something done.

Naturally. They need more, more active, help in administrating this game. I'll not deny that there need to be more and more active administrators - with the advent of the playerworld-renting system, there is a larger domain of things which need to be watched over, and it seems as though our administration is becoming anything but more active to meet this demand. I've been helping out where I can to assist in filling the gap, but there's only so much I can do. If I don't have the local rights, all I can do is serve as a messenger to convey information about playerworld situations/server problems to higher administrators. I'd say roughly 7/10 of the problems I've passed on have been addressed, though. People're stretched too thin, I guess, but 3/10 is a lot to slip by, especially when at least one of them deals with a server deletion.

[Dach]

The gui and tileset were updated, it was two years ago but if you don't remember that, ohwell

you just need to realize that Unix and Stefan are a bit too busy to tend to these things, and even if they could find someone like Koni (talent-wise) who has nothing else to do but help them, it probably wouldn't fit into their budget

[deman1171]

Oh, and another thing wich is stupid.. always saying "NO NO DONT ADD THAT IT DON'T GOT THAT...FEEELLLLIING LIKE GRAAL SHOULD!"
Sorry, but most things graal style suck and get boring soon.
Tons of servers are saying they want to be classic, but with all these always wanting to stay simple and stuff when they could be big, that isn't the way to go, Graal barely has any players, if graal wants to be popular then it should add new and exiting stuff, just because it was never on Graal does not mean it should not be exiled.
I mean sure, having one "classic" feeling server would be cool, but people like new, fun games.. and when it's nothing but boring old graal stuff.. that's not going to attract players, i mean people get a grip.. it's a game just because something that was never on graal before is added does not mean your life is over, it's a new step for graal and it would make it better, not worst.
If you all keep saying it's not graal and exiling anything new and fun, graal will never go anywhere.

Also a suggestion for a server, would be like "Graal Gamepark" where it's a server filled with tons of events, and it would be filled with multiplayer and single player arcades and events, tons could be added each week and there would always be something to do on graal.
o_o just an idea, or an addon or something.
Maybe an addon for Graal Olypmics.

[Lance]

Originally posted by deman1171
Also a suggestion for a server, would be like "Graal Gamepark" where it's a server filled with tons of events, and it would be filled with multiplayer and single player arcades and events, tons could be added each week and there would always be something to do on graal.
o_o just an idea, or an addon or something.
Maybe an addon for Graal Olypmics.

Except for the impracticality of "tons" of new things being added each week.

[deman1171]

But anyway, graal is a cheap and great game, and if they hired people like konidias who would love to help out graal, it could go far, i mean as of right now i don't see it going anywhere..
It's sad too, it could be such a great game.

[Lance]

Originally posted by deman1171
But anyway, graal is a cheap and great game, and if they hired people like konidias who would love to help out graal, it could go far, i mean as of right now i don't see it going anywhere..
It's sad too, it could be such a great game.

Read: If they hired people like konidias, who bail when things don't go their way.

[deman1171]

Well they need to hire someone, i mean all of todays online games are all 3d and stuff, except for a few ones, and they have tons and suck.. graal just needs to advertise more damnit, i mean i have gotten like all my friends to pay and play for GK, there addicted..
I mean there getting in tons of money, so surely they could hire a pro at this, if people can make all these great 3d games, i'm sure someone could make graal great.

[Lance]

Originally posted by deman1171
Well they need to hire someone, i mean all of todays online games are all 3d and stuff, except for a few ones, and they have tons and suck.. graal just needs to advertise more damnit, i mean i have gotten like all my friends to pay and play for GK, there addicted..

Agreed to the extent of they need to hire someone for administration. They do not need to hire someone for development, if that's what you're saying. Just, name someone capable, not someone incapable.

I mean there getting in tons of money, so surely they could hire a pro at this, if people can make all these great 3d games, i'm sure someone could make graal great.

Wrong. They're not getting tons of money. If you think graal makes a huge profit, you're quite wrong. Bandwidth is expensive.

Also, note Stefan and unixmad's prior announcement that they will not be hiring any more paid GMs (after Koni quit).

[deman1171]

Originally posted by Lance


Agreed to the extent of they need to hire someone for administration. They do not need to hire someone for development, if that's what you're saying. Just, name someone capable, not someone incapable.



Wrong. They're not getting tons of money. If you think graal makes a huge profit, you're quite wrong. Bandwidth is expensive.

Also, note Stefan and unixmad's prior announcement that they will not be hiring any more paid GMs (after Koni quit).

So, basically graal will always be the same..?
UN, Era, GK and the rest..?

[Lance]

Originally posted by deman1171

So, basically graal will always be the same..?
UN, Era, GK and the rest..?

Huh? Your logic is non-existent. It's up to the individual server (not some paid developer) to produce something of high-quality, if they want to be on the public list and thus compete with the big-name servers.

[Kaimetsu]

Konidias' main strength is his graphics-making skill, and Graal doesn't much need another artist. In my opinion there are better candidates for administrative work.

[deman1171]

Originally posted by Lance


Huh? Your logic is non-existent. It's up to the individual server (not some paid developer) to produce something of high-quality, if they want to be on the public list and thus compete with the big-name servers.

I just mean, GK barely has any players, g2k1 and GTA are basically dead..
It seems all graal can depend on now is the players.

[Lance]

Originally posted by deman1171

I just mean, GK barely has any players, g2k1 and GTA are basically dead..
It seems all graal can depend on now is the players.

People get bored when they perceive there is nothing left to do.

GK averages something like what, 50-60 players on weekdays, and 80-100 players on weekends? That in and of itself shows that players are taking advantage of VIP (even though all of these loud people complain about VIP priviledges not existing).

Graal2001 is stagnating due to lack of updates - we are currently shorter on active staff than we have been in some time, and few people are interested/trustworthy enough to work there. In the meantime, we're working on the new content and new kingdoms (target release date: around a month), so for Graal2001 I can only say just wait a while before further commenting.

As for Graal: The Adventure? My knowledge of that server is not too great. Personally, the best recommendation I have for them is to speed up their NPCServer conversion.

[deman1171]

Originally posted by Lance


People get bored when they perceive there is nothing left to do.

GK averages something like what, 50-60 players on weekdays, and 80-100 players on weekends? That in and of itself shows that players are taking advantage of VIP (even though all of these loud people complain about VIP priviledges not existing).

Graal2001 is stagnating due to lack of updates - we are currently shorter on active staff than we have been in some time, and few people are interested/trustworthy enough to work there. In the meantime, we're working on the new content and new kingdoms (target release date: around a month), so for Graal2001 I can only say just wait a while before further commenting.

As for Graal: The Adventure? My knowledge of that server is not too great. Personally, the best recommendation I have for them is to speed up their NPCServer conversion.

Yea, i guess but i don't see how games like RS and Furcadia have more players, graal has alot of stuff, tons of servers.. it's cheap too.. it would be nice to have over 100 people on ever server..
But i guess graal is never going to go that big. Even though it could.

[Lance]

Originally posted by deman1171

Yea, i guess but i don't see how games like RS and Furcadia have more players, graal has alot of stuff, tons of servers.. it's cheap too.. it would be nice to have over 100 people on ever server..
But i guess graal is never going to go that big. Even though it could.

More servers = fewer players per server, fewer staff per server, etc. The more servers we have, the more spread out the talent will be. While this is in theory a good idea (more room for individual talent to flourish, for people to realize their visions for servers), we can't really predict the long-term effects this will have on Graal. I'm not terribly experienced with those other games, but I'd wager they're more centralized, with a more hierarchical developmental and administrative structure. That could explain why they've got more players (if they do). It could also be merely that since there are so many servers here, there are fewer players per server, thus it seems as though there are fewer players overall. However, as Stefan has already pointed out, this is not the case - Graal as a whole has more players now than it did ~6 months ago was it? I don't remember the exact timeframe of the comparison, but it was quite valid.

[Scott]

Emily, can you just say classic instead of GTA? I keep thinking you're talking about Grand Theft Auto.

[konidias]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Konidias' main strength is his graphics-making skill, and Graal doesn't much need another artist. In my opinion there are better candidates for administrative work.

There really is nobody fit to be an administrator if you look at it that way. Seeing as how we're going by people's opinions of the administrator.

Because the harsh reality is, you're always going to be hated by someone. There is always going to be someone thinking you're doing a terrible job, or that they could do it better. You really have no room to talk unless you've actually been in that position before. *looks at Tseng*

My administrative skill was never really known. Not to say I would be a great admin, I'm just saying, I only helped admin the forums, I was more of a developer for GK, and I helped make things for Unixmad that he asked me, along with answering support center tickets.

None of my jobs really involved me being an Administrator. Aside from the forums, which I could only do so much with, as I was working under higher administration. I believe the reason I quit was because I had creative differences with Unixmad about GK. It's not like I just gave up on Graal. I was basically told that I'd have to live with the past decisions made by the higher-ups, even if those decisions would ultimately make Graal less fun.

During my paid job, I mostly did assignments given to me by Unixmad. My job wasn't administrating at all. I was making websites, presentations, guides, a newsletter, graphics for GK, and handling the support center. Sure I had administrative power, but that didn't mean I was allowed to run around using it. So please don't judge my administrative abilities based on my past job.

edit: and ironically, part of the reason why I quit was because I wasn't being assigned to do the job I was hired for (game master of GK), I had no real control over what went on with GK, and I never released any overly powerful items. You know what items I made for GK? I made the dragon amulets, and a couple rings. they were rare, less than 5 of each were given out. the overpowering part came after I left, when the events team people decided it would be fun to released more of the items I made, which then unbalanced everything.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by konidias
There really is nobody fit to be an administrator if you look at it that way. Seeing as how we're going by people's opinions of the administrator.

I'm just expressing my opinion, man. People can value it however they want.

There is always going to be someone thinking you're doing a terrible job, or that they could do it better. You really have no room to talk unless you've actually been in that position before.

I don't think that's true. Anybody can look at a situation and say what they would've done, or what somebody else should've done. By your logic, nobody should be condemning Nemesis for being a corrupt idiot.

My administrative skill was never really known. Not to say I would be a great admin, I'm just saying, I only helped admin the forums

You already know how I feel about your performance as forum admin, so I don't need to go into that.

[deman1171]

I just think Graal could go far, and have alot more people if they just had some help.. i mean how can one person handle Graal Kingdoms? and are you just going to leave the past graal official servers gone?
Graal2001 is being worked on alot as Lance said, so will most likely have a better playercount in a few months.
Graal Kingdoms just needs atleast another person, another devoloper to help out and add new things to help people, and a few of the MUD graphics and things on the tileset are kinda ugly =/
And someone really needs to take care of Classic, tyhm should add some sort of new race system or something.. it's sad to see it die.
Graal could look and be alot better if it just had some help.

[Python523]

Classic had a race system, they voted it down. Emily, an addition to things doesn't mean the addition is good, instead of suggesting so many new things, places should make what they have better first.

[galen]

Zorro and I are thinking about "updating" 2001 and classic or possibly even starting from scratch and whipping out ("whiping out" defined as - going form 0 to a fully functional PW in less than a month) a PW of our own.

As I said, we're still *thinking* about it. Nothing is final. Plus I'd have to get unixmad's approval before I touched any of the existing servers.

[Desolator12]

heh.. i remember back in the day, Koni was workin with somebody else to create a thing called Pokemon Online... POL for short.... Nintendo didn't want that to happen since they are little pricks... so when he asked if he could make POL snd put the nintendo logo on it, they said no.... the beta looked nice... it ain't online, but it was better than the GBA versions nowadays...

hey, when things don't go my way.... i don't get the tears... i get stabby.. (if you guessed i got that from the simpsons, your right! have a smartee!) actually... I have vast knowledge of RP things... i could *cough* possibly help graal get back to the MMPORPG, instead of the nowadays MMPOLF... (massively multiplayer online role paying game ; Massively multiplayer online lame fest)

and the best thing about this idea is... i don't care if I get paid....I just like playing the game... and DMing is something I take seriously (except for when me and some friends make a perverted D&D where we all did the matress mambo with NPCs ... that, and when I invented Red-green water... which explodes on contact... ahh, the good ol' days...)

[Python523]

Originally posted by galen
Zorro and I are thinking about "updating" 2001 and classic or possibly even starting from scratch and whipping out ("whiping out" defined as - going form 0 to a fully functional PW in less than a month) a PW of our own.

As I said, we're still *thinking* about it. Nothing is final. Plus I'd have to get unixmad's approval before I touched any of the existing servers.

pft, Zorro just wants to manage something, he was going around saying he wanted Tseng's job

[Lance]

Originally posted by Python523


pft, Zorro just wants to manage something, he was going around saying he wanted Tseng's job

Zorro's an arrogant fool. He "came back" the other day, and insisted that he would be hired since he's come back. In talking to me, he mentioned nothing about my job, but talked about being the GM of Graal2001 and classic before, and planning on becoming GM again. However, several people came to talk to me about him wanting my job, so I'm apt to believe them. Never once did he think he wouldn't get anything he asked for.

[azuretek23]

I think graal needs a professional at graphics, programing (no I dont mean gscript, how is someone that dosen't play graal know gscript?) and managment, but since they dont have much money they need someone that can do all those things for cheap that dosen't mind wages around 400 a month or less (thats horrible for someone trying to pay rent and food, so dont say it's good) lol


I would since I'm not employed right now, but then again... I'm probably not a professional lol *posts resume*

[Loriel]

Sir, do you not run a company?

[deman1171]

Originally posted by Desolator12
heh.. i remember back in the day, Koni was workin with somebody else to create a thing called Pokemon Online... POL for short.... Nintendo didn't want that to happen since they are little pricks... so when he asked if he could make POL snd put the nintendo logo on it, they said no.... the beta looked nice... it ain't online, but it was better than the GBA versions nowadays...

hey, when things don't go my way.... i don't get the tears... i get stabby.. (if you guessed i got that from the simpsons, your right! have a smartee!) actually... I have vast knowledge of RP things... i could *cough* possibly help graal get back to the MMPORPG, instead of the nowadays MMPOLF... (massively multiplayer online role paying game ; Massively multiplayer online lame fest)

and the best thing about this idea is... i don't care if I get paid....I just like playing the game... and DMing is something I take seriously (except for when me and some friends make a perverted D&D where we all did the matress mambo with NPCs ... that, and when I invented Red-green water... which explodes on contact... ahh, the good ol' days...)

GK Is really MMORPG like, with the new graal3d add on and the new version of graal and stuff it could be alot better, stefan just needs to advertise and get it put into magazines like Computer Monthly gaming or whatever that's called.

They should have DM's instead of EM's and they not only do events such as balls and stuff, but they also manage the RP and do alot of things for the game and add new stuff.

A few trusted people like Tseng for example.

[azuretek23]

Originally posted by Loriel
Sir, do you not run a company?

yea but it dosen't pay my bills lol... (been paying my bills the last 2 months doing programing jobs but I have nothing solid)

also dont call me sir! I'm not old