New Leadership not working at all

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

The current state of Crescent Pirates is ridiculous. The only people who seem to care for the RPing world in CP now are myself and the Rackham family. Here's a run down of what's wrong with the 3 highest-ranking people in Crescent Pirates right now.

Valder - He's the leader of the kingdom, or rather Governor. He is not and probably cannot spend much/any time on Graal. He said he has computer problems. I think he hasn't posted on the forums lately either. He gave his notice of having to be inactive over 20 days ago. He did come on, and adressed a problem or two somewhat, but didn't stay on long enough to discuss other issues at hand.

TifaKhan - She's the second in command, as a Governess. She is just as inactive as Valder. According to her and other members, you must find her yourself by going to Doomsday if you need action to be taken. She has come online on GK only a little more if not as much as Valder since he gave his notice of not being able to be on much.

Cecilia (account: GoGetter) - This young child seems to be the last person of the rank Captain who has been active. As of late, she hasn't be so active on the kingdom tag either. She has even been seen using strange nicknames such as "Ject's Girl (Crescent Pirates)" and "Princess Cecilia [Nighthawks]". I supposed that means she is also a princess of the Nighthawks, an RPing group that has proved itself to not be worthy of beeing taken seriously. Cecilia does not even have much power and has to get TifaKhan to do things when she needs something done (adding or removing members).

As you can see, what happened is this: A new leadership is formed. Some things occur for a few days, boosting up the activity of the Crescent Pirates. Then, the leader leaves. Activity gradually goes down. And now we're at where we are now.

So, basically, as of now, the Crescent Pirates consist of myself (character: Raghnro Diomora) and the Rackham family (I may as well get into the family at this point, but I won't). Most, if not all of us all, have past experience being pirates. And we are all simply non-leading members. We have all taken notice of how poorly things are being run and are not very happy about it. A kingdom should not have its members left all alone.

I do realize this same scenario can be found in almost every kingdom, but right now the pirates is our problem to deal with first. We request that something be done to fix up our kingdom, whether the solution be that we get help from an outside source or even someone with more power.

[DenoriZakarum]

i was swordsmaster 2 days ago, same in the rank scale as captain i quit though due to vcalder beaing dead and tifa quit

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by DenoriZakarum
i was swordsmaster 2 days ago, same in the rank scale as captain i quit though due to vcalder beaing dead and tifa quit

I had you in mind also as kind of being active, but I didn't bother to mention it. I didn't think you quit though. I didn't know Tifa quit. She still has power. IMHO, that means she didn't officially quit. And I hope you simply mean it figuratively when you say Valder is dead....because that would make my whole thread pointless.

[DenoriZakarum]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec


I had you in mind also as kind of being active, but I didn't bother to mention it. I didn't think you quit though. I didn't know Tifa quit. She still has power. IMHO, that means she didn't officially quit. And I hope you simply mean it figuratively when you say Valder is dead....because that would make my whole thread pointless.

i didnt mean to make your post dead X_X im just stating that cecelia is inactive and i would be the in-line for governor

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by DenoriZakarum

i didnt mean to make your post dead X_X

I don't think you understood what I mean. I was just wondering if you were serious about Valder being dead or not. It does happen you know...usually in a car-related situation.

[fireedragn]

Yes, it is kind of pathetic.

Anyway, yeah it's pretty much just the four of us who come on, me less than the rest of the family probably. The governor needs to appoint a temporary leader until his computer gets fixed.

Well now that my brain is working I should say this before I forget... I think we need a Pirate council (sp?). We need a few elected officials who will lead while the leader is gone and other things. They should also recruit people and vote on each person. Stuff like that.

We probably can't get the kingdom back to the glorious kingdom it was back in the day with Girum as governor, but we should at least attempt to pull it out of the slump it's in.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by fireedragn
Yes, it is kind of pathetic.

Anyway, yeah it's pretty much just the four of us who come on, me less than the rest of the family probably. The governor needs to appoint a temporary leader until his computer gets fixed.

Well now that my brain is working I should say this before I forget... I think we need a Pirate council (sp?). We need a few elected officials who will lead while the leader is gone and other things. They should also recruit people and vote on each person. Stuff like that.

We probably can't get the kingdom back to the glorious kingdom it was back in the day with Girum as governor, but we should at least attempt to pull it out of the slump it's in.

That idea just sounds like something for someone to do if they want power badly. It would be different if Valder had been leader for a long time and suddenly had to be inactive for an unknown period of time. Such is not the case. And even so, the next people in command are supposed to be taking care of things if the first in command is away. As I said in my first post, that's not working out. The whole leadership is inactive. It must be replaced immedietly.

[Valder]

I am not very inactive. I come on every so often to see if anyone needs me and I see noone on and I can't really do anything about that. My computer is still broken so I cannot be on graal almost at all. I am on 10 minutes a day where I can get on graal. I am sorry to see that you think that I suck but it's not my fault. Maybe you could send me $300 USD so that I can buy a new computer. Other than that I am on AIM occasionally. You can message me anytime. My screenname is IamYevves.

If need be I will appoint a leader that can work in my time away. Sorry for not being able to be at your every call.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Valder
I am sorry to see that you think that I suck but it's not my fault.

Noone said you "suck". This is a serious matter. You should not have become leader if you cannot handle the job. It's not appropriate for one to become leader and simply being around. It would be acceptable if one were a good active leader for a long amount of time and suddenly he were to need to be away. In this case, the next ones in command should be in charge. But even if that were the case, the next ones in command aren't doing anything. A whole kingdom should not have to suffer simply because you do due to your computer problems.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Valder

I certainly don't see you as being fit to lead a kingdom. You may be a nice person but your maturity level in below that of what I want to be the next leader. I even have proof so please don't make a futile attempt to say that you are very mature and responsible enough to lead.

You say my maturity level "in" below of what you would expect from a leader, but this is simply the opinion of one who is incapable of leading the kingdom. I am mature enough to not begin begging for the leadership of the kingdom or even begin an argument with you as to why I would be a capable leader. I highly doubt you have proof of me being immature. The only time you have stated any problem with me in the kingdom was when I was angered by seeing how a member was freely engaging in non-roleplaying talk with me while we were both using roleplaying nicknames and the tag of the roleplaying kingdom Crescent Pirates. In other words, you scolded me for expecting a fellow pirate to act IC while being IC- an expectation which should be common sense in the roleplaying world.

I think you have it reversed. I am not a nice person at all. That is what is wrong with the roleplaying world, yourself included- most people are far too "nice". They allow too many inappropriate things to go on. For example, you have a rule that allows people to never act in character, but still use the roleplaying tag. It's ridiculous that I have to inform someone I am RPing when I am doing so. My nickname should be an obvious sign.

This thread is not just some attempt of mine to gain power over the kingdom. I want the kingdom to be restored to a productive state.

Edit: Did you delete your previous post? What happened?

[Zurkiba]

Zurkiba for Governor

[HawkEyeMana]

Wow, isn't it funny how our fellow pirates only come on tag when the governor does? Sad to see that...even sadder when you think of the amount of time the gov has been away and the other pirates have been off tag just because the gov was gone.

I can't really say Valder is a bad governor since I haven't seen him in action a lot. Most of the few active pirates share the same views and feel the same way about how the kingdom has fallen.

I remember the last thing that happened before I left kingdoms for 5 months; everyone had been depressed of Girum's loss of his account and that Jagen couldn't work the pirates as well. But I can remember Jagen being on through the worst of his times.

It's so disappointing that every attempt that Valder has made to even hold CP up by a thread have failed since the people he gave leadership stopped caring.

I mean I check the forums a few times a day just to see if anyone has posted anything to renew my faith in CP's leadership...nothing...

Just out of curiousity, did your computer start having problems before or after you took leadership of pirates, Valder? I don't expect a very positive reaction to anything posted here, but it's not just one pirate, it's everyone. We want Pirates to resume superiority as a kingdom and the past month has been as empty and boring as I can ever remember...

[DenoriZakarum]

im back in pirates now so ill be helping with what i can

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by DenoriZakarum
im back in pirates now so ill be helping with what i can

Too bad that doesn't solve our problem. We still lack great activity.

[Valder]

I am trying my best to do things while my computer is down. I understand that you are mad but you are going to have to cope for the time being. My computer broke AFTER I became gov so it wasn't really expected. My computer is STILL broken and I am using a laptop to try and help get things back on track but you guys are going to have to help me for the time being. I am not a god. I can't do everything you want right away.

I am doing a few things to help get pirates back on it's feet. I don't understand why you are all blaming me for this. I told you beforehand that I wasn't going to be able to get on and yet you still act like a bunch of spoiled children. I have a life you know and I have a job. I can't always see everything and do everything. I will post the things I have done for pirates once they are finished so for the time being please stop complaining and cope.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Valder
I told you beforehand that I wasn't going to be able to get on and yet you still act like a bunch of spoiled children. I have a life you know and I have a job. I can't always see everything and do everything.

A bunch of spoiled children? We simply want to be able to enjoy the game the way people should expect to be able to enjoy it. We just want a functioning kingdom. While you can't always see everything and do everything, you are also not allowed to see nothing and do nothing. The same goes for the whole leadership of the kingdom, which is what is in question at the moment. I hope your plan of having councilmen works out. You said you'd appoint them at noon eastern time, it's now about 4 hours later and noone is on except myself. I was hoping this action would improve things. Over 70 players online and no pirates...that does not look good.

[Valder]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec


A bunch of spoiled children? We simply want to be able to enjoy the game the way people should expect to be able to enjoy it. We just want a functioning kingdom. While you can't always see everything and do everything, you are also not allowed to see nothing and do nothing. The same goes for the whole leadership of the kingdom, which is what is in question at the moment. I hope your plan of having councilmen works out. You said you'd appoint them at noon eastern time, it's now about 4 hours later and noone is on except myself. I was hoping this action would improve things. Over 70 players online and no pirates...that does not look good.

I don't understand how nobody being on tag is my fault. I have recruited and even readded people since I have come back. I cannot force poeple to always be on. To me it sounds like you just want to lead the kingdom because you think you are better than most people. But that's only my opinion. I am trying my best and yet again it's not enough for you.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Valder

To me it sounds like you just want to lead the kingdom because you think you are better than most people.

To me it sounds like you are simply trying to direct the issue at hand away from you. I was simply giving you the first impression I got from the new system in the 2nd, less important part (which is the only part you responded to) of that last post of mine. Acting as if nothing is your responsibility does not help any either.

Edit: As for anything being good enough for me...How can anything be good enough when the server is full of RP groups that don't enforce RPing? Every kingdom lacks the most important rule- players who use IC nicknames MUST be IC. Some may have this rule or one like it, but there are always holes in it. For example: talking and acting OOC while using an RPing nickname AND tag is accepted when it's only conversation between friends; talking and acting OOC while using an RPing nickname AND tag is acceptable when on the main island or in an area where people commonly talk OOC; members of the kingdom must inform other members of the kingdom if they are RPing before engaging in RPing with the fellow kingdom member while using an RPing nickname AND tag (yes, I'm ashamed to say that last one is us).

[TifaKhan]

I apologize for being inactive, running a server is difficult at the best of times.
But i have just removed myself from Pirates, gave mine and my sisters houses and stuff away, and made some people very happy.
<3Crescent Pirates
Good luck

[GoldSri]

Originally posted by TifaKhan
I apologize for being inactive, running a server is difficult at the best of times.
But i have just removed myself from Pirates, gave mine and my sisters houses and stuff away, and made some people very happy.
<3Crescent Pirates
Good luck

i decide that i will come bakc to graal and tifa goes!!!!!! noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo <3 Tifa CP will not be right without you, you are a great person and done your best, i hope you do well in life take care

after much people telling me to come back (and a few telling me to go, well i wont go with out a fight so you can kiss my bottom :P)

i couldn be botherd to read ziro's posts coz he writes way to much, dont pick on valder peps he is the best governor i think CP has had, nate was never on and he was teh only one with power....ghost was quite abusive to people and i didnt feel that was right, but that was his way of dealing with things

I am coming back a bit at a time just now to see if i can stand GK...i would like to come back to CP , but where i get placed is the main question.

As for Cecelia she has not wanted to be on tag due to some bother she has had, from kingdom members and outsiders so she has been with nighthawks as she does not get hurled with abuse

I believe CP can rise again, but it needs more senior members and proper crews set up and some kingdom events that never got done, if i get back in CP i might run some with some stuff i have got

[syltburk]

Originally posted by Zurkiba
Zurkiba for Governor

YES ZURKIBA *votes for zurkiba*

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by GoldSri

i couldn be botherd to read ziro's posts coz he writes way to much, dont pick on valder peps he is the best governor i think CP has had, nate was never on and he was teh only one with power....ghost was quite abusive to people and i didnt feel that was right, but that was his way of dealing with things

Well, I apologize for your lack of a long attention span. I still feel it is rather rude to respond to my post though you did not read it. I bother to read each one of your posts which concern me, the ones I respond to, and some others though you lack the effort to type simple words such as "because".

I am not picking on Valder. Your post is a little late anyways because Valder alredy gave the kingdom a good energy boost to get things up again for some while at least. I still think Ghost Pirate is the best leader the pirates have ever had (counting the time of Pirate Crew as well as Crescent Pirates).

As for Cecilia's inactivity...what you say does not excuse it. I have heard of her problems. She should have brought this to the attention of someone with power who could do something about what other members were doing (after, of course, she tried to do something herself). If still no action were to be taken, she could always simply quit. Inactivity while still being a member is usually not excusable. This is such a case where it is not.

And about your position if you return to CP...it shouldn't be very high since your leave caused us more problems (like the one I started this whole thread for). You put a 10 year old girl in the position of being the highest ranking member of all the active people in the kingdom. That usually does not work out. I think this thread worked out for the best. Hopefully these problems will never occur again.

[GoldSri]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec


Well, I apologize for your lack of a long attention span. I still feel it is rather rude to respond to my post though you did not read it. I bother to read each one of your posts which concern me, the ones I respond to, and some others though you lack the effort to type simple words such as "because".

I am sorry i didnt not feel like reading your post as i was ill yesterday i skimmed over it and just get the jist of it, i am also sorry for my bad spelling but i use shorthand due to my dyslexia because i struggle with the word baceause as i mixed up the letters, i dont appreciate you clearly making fun of my spelling when you did not know my situation

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

As for Cecilia's inactivity...what you say does not excuse it. I have heard of her problems. She should have brought this to the attention of someone with power who could do something about what other members were doing (after, of course, she tried to do something herself). If still no action were to be taken, she could always simply quit. Inactivity while still being a member is usually not excusable. This is such a case where it is not.

she does not know people enough to be able to trust them, she has told people before to be told they dont give a care (well thats the nice way to put it), she would only tell me as she is scared of getting told she is stupid. once bitten twice shy

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

And about your position if you return to CP...it shouldn't be very high since your leave caused us more problems (like the one I started this whole thread for). You put a 10 year old girl in the position of being the highest ranking member of all the active people in the kingdom. That usually does not work out. I think this thread worked out for the best. Hopefully these problems will never occur again.

Cecelia is a good Captain and she done well in my opinion you seem to be the only one with a problem, and if me leaving was such a problem causer surely me coming back will be a good thing then

[HawkEyeMana]

He's not the only one with the problem; the Rackham's had been angry at all the difficulties encountered with the loss of many high-ranked members and the gain of many that don't even know how to get to pirate isle...

Now I don't know of any of the problems that discouraged Cecelia from putting on her tag for pirates, but I do know that she hadn't mentioned the slightest clue to a problem of abuse or any other sort of troubles with another player on graal CP or not. I did notice, however, how she suddenly decided to become a Nighthawk.

I repeatedly asked why she decided to go with that kingdom-wannabe group and I was simply ignored. I hadn't heard of any true explanation as to why she chose Nighthawks as her "kingdom" until your post.

As to the problem with your temporary leaving of graal I hadn't really noticed much difference. Besides the fact that you were the only member with any authority for the longest time and had decided to give your authority to a member not sure of herself and actions she would have made, I can't see any other problems that had occurred...of course I have just recently come back to kingdoms so you may have been of more importance than I know.

He wasn't the only one with the problem concerning the things done in CP, he just was the one to speak out for the active members that had played during Valder's inactivity time.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by GoldSri

i dont appreciate you clearly making fun of my spelling when you did not know my situation

Great. You get as much respect as you give. That is the way of life unless you have great power.

Originally posted by GoldSri

if me leaving was such a problem causer surely me coming back will be a good thing then

Your logic is horrible. Do you have an excuse for that too? You should understand the situation. It's as follows: CP had problems already. You left the game and put a 10 year girl in your place to make matters worse. After some waiting, our problems had to be brought to public attention. Valder had to come back and change a few things. He shouldn't have had to do so in the first place. You, as the highest ranking active member at the time, should have taken more action. For example, talking to the Governess about the problem of noone with enough power being active since you seem to have had some relationship with her would have helped. Valder said he had to be inactive. The next people in power should always do something about it in this kind of situation. The Governess should have appointed Councilmen instead of Valder upon your request as the highest-ranking member. If the correct action where to be taken, you would have been the most powerfull active member of the kingdom. You seem to love power so much. Maybe next time you should think more about how to go about getting instead of having people fix problems you run away from and make worse and decide to return after the problem is fixed. That doesn't work to well.

[GoldSri]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec


Your logic is horrible. Do you have an excuse for that too? You should understand the situation. It's as follows: CP had problems already. You left the game and put a 10 year girl in your place to make matters worse. After some waiting, our problems had to be brought to public attention. Valder had to come back and change a few things. He shouldn't have had to do so in the first place. You, as the highest ranking active member at the time, should have taken more action. For example, talking to the Governess about the problem of noone with enough power being active since you seem to have had some relationship with her would have helped. Valder said he had to be inactive. The next people in power should always do something about it in this kind of situation. The Governess should have appointed Councilmen instead of Valder upon your request as the highest-ranking member. If the correct action where to be taken, you would have been the most powerfull active member of the kingdom. You seem to love power so much. Maybe next time you should think more about how to go about getting instead of having people fix problems you run away from and make worse and decide to return after the problem is fixed. That doesn't work to well.

1) Tifa was active and she had said on numerous occasions how ot contact if anything was needed, i have had brought it up before that there should be more rights evenly spread but nothing was done on it, i was only a captain so i had to respect the choices of Valder.

If Valder has a problem with cecelia being captain he knows what to do, i left her in charge because she was first mate and if captain leave first mate comes up to fill the place
Hawkeyeman- cecelia wouldnt talk to anybody about problems she is too scared to after getting called names for doing so once.

at the time i couldnt stay because of problems at home and i didnt not say before coz i shoudnt need to justify myself to you, things are better so i came back. i will no longer discuss my return with you, maybe somebody important like valder.

on the problems with cecelia....you are one of the main culprates ziro

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by GoldSri

Tifa was active and she had said on numerous occasions how ot contact if anything was needed

We should NOT have to go another Graal server whenever we need to contact the person who is in charge of a kingdom.

Originally posted by GoldSri

i have had brought it up before that there should be more rights evenly spread but nothing was done on it, i was only a captain so i had to respect the choices of Valder.

You can respect the choices of a person while still trying to make the kingdom a better place. You must have not done enough if NOTHING was changed upon your request. Maybe you should learn from me and make use of the public forums.

Originally posted by GoldSri

If Valder has a problem with cecelia being captain he knows what to do, i left her in charge because she was first mate and if captain leave first mate comes up to fill the place

That is just as bad as saying "I'll do whatever I want in the kingdom. If the leader does not like it, even though I am one of the highest ranking members, and noone except my inferiors will be around to see what I am doing, he can do something about it."

Originally posted by GoldSri

Hawkeyeman- cecelia wouldnt talk to anybody about problems she is too scared to after getting called names for doing so once.

If someone is so scared that they cannot even talk to someone about the problems they have with the lower ranking members, they are too weak to even have any power at all. This whole situation sounds ridiculous to me anyways. I doubt it is as bad as it sounds. I have noted how Cecilia can complain far too much about a situation. An example is when she wanted someone to be removed simply for buying an item in the store that she wanted. According to Cecilia's story of what happened, the member who bought the item showed no intention of buying the item simply to be mean to Cecilia.

Originally posted by GoldSri

on the problems with cecelia....you are one of the main culprates ziro

I have heard the situation is about Cecilia being attacked on GK. I believe it was Cecilia herself who told me this. She assumed I was one of the attackers. I don't see why she would assume. She can simply look at her screen while playing to know who is attacking her. It would be impossible for me to attack her anyways because I stay off of kingdom mode as it is more like "PK mode" or "Die mode" instead of "Battle mode" as it used to be called or "kingdom mode" as I think it is now called.

[GoldSri]

[Valder]

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