Matin Scamming

UnwantedPolice · #1 09-10-2003, 04:43 AM

well, matin asked me if he could use my Full helment of might +6. I was nice and said sure, considering he had a nice reputation. but then he said "hmm gives me a lil more HP, I think ill keep it." then ran away. I have witnesses such as Tanaris of zormite,etc. I also have like 5 pics. Ill post some. Stefan, this should be enough proof. please return my helm back. his account is "Matin" I believe.
My account is "UnwantedPolice".

Kaimetsu · #2 09-10-2003, 04:52 AM

That's not a scam, that's just exploiting your naivety. I admire the fact that you're willing to help others, but giving away valuable items is simply a terrible, terrible idea.

UnwantedPolice · #3 09-10-2003, 05:05 AM

well its thieving. My comp isnt allowing me to post pics. let me try again. at least others will know... and stefan may help. If I dont get it back Im going back to RO and gunbound since nothings done about it like it is on RO. if I may get it back I will get another upgrade and continue. but let me try and post a pic again.

KyJe27 · #4 09-10-2003, 05:09 AM

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Originally posted by UnwantedPolice
I was nice and said sure, considering he had a nice reputation.

Dont trust people on graal... Save staff. Because they are the only ones with something to loose. People can be cruel animals.

Zethar · #5 09-10-2003, 05:19 AM

Matin has a good reputation?
There was only a ouple of people I trusted on graal: Argo, sliq, Dhaen, a.K, and Toran

DenoriZakarum · #6 09-10-2003, 05:22 AM

even IF the item was scammed you cant get it back, sorry dude your lucks run out

graaliholic · #7 09-10-2003, 07:20 AM

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Originally posted by UnwantedPolice
well, matin asked me if he could use my Full helment of might +6. I was nice and said sure, considering he had a nice reputation. but then he said "hmm gives me a lil more HP, I think ill keep it." then ran away. I have witnesses such as Tanaris of zormite,etc. I also have like 5 pics. Ill post some. Stefan, this should be enough proof. please return my helm back. his account is "Matin" I believe.
My account is "UnwantedPolice".

You should never, ever trust anyone you don't know well. Even if they have a 'good rep', you still can't trust anyone. I learned that lesson like you, a long time ago

DragonX · #8 09-10-2003, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by Zethar
Matin has a good reputation?
There was only a ouple of people I trusted on graal: Argo, sliq, Dhaen, a.K, and Toran

So neither you nor Justin trust me?
Also, Stefan already said this.
Scamming is legal if you drop it on the floor or whatever.
If someone uses a bug in the trading tables or trading system (player to player) that is illegal.

graaliholic · #9 09-10-2003, 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by DragonX

So neither you nor Justin trust me?
Also, Stefan already said this.
Scamming is legal if you drop it on the floor or whatever.
If someone uses a bug in the trading tables or trading system (player to player) that is illegal.

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Originally posted by graaliholic

You should never, ever trust anyone you don't know well.

I know you fairly well, so I would lend you things of moderate value, but I think Chibi is the only person on Graal who I'd ever lend my *good* items to.

--Chris-- · #10 09-10-2003, 11:49 AM

This reminds me of when me and Brad told DX I'm keeping his blood ring permanently cause I liked having dual and he flipped (of course I was just playing and returned it 10mins later.)

GoZelda · #11 09-11-2003, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by --Chris--
This reminds me of when me and Brad told DX I'm keeping his blood ring permanently cause I liked having dual and he flipped (of course I was just playing and returned it 10mins later.)

Getting pked ain't fun

Thallen · #12 09-12-2003, 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
That's not a scam, that's just exploiting your naivety. I admire the fact that you're willing to help others, but giving away valuable items is simply a terrible, terrible idea.

Wow, so all those times people called me a scammer, it was just me exploiting their naivety.

Zethar · #13 09-12-2003, 03:35 AM

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Originally posted by DragonX

So neither you nor Justin trust me?
Also, Stefan already said this.
Scamming is legal if you drop it on the floor or whatever.
If someone uses a bug in the trading tables or trading system (player to player) that is illegal.

I don't know you

Tseng · #14 09-12-2003, 03:40 AM

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Originally posted by Zethar
There was only a ouple of people I trusted on graal: Argo, sliq, Dhaen, a.K, and Toran

ahahaha

GoZelda · #15 09-12-2003, 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by UnwantedPolice
well, matin asked me if he could use my Full helment of might +6. I was nice and said sure, considering he had a nice reputation. but then he said "hmm gives me a lil more HP, I think ill keep it." then ran away. I have witnesses such as Tanaris of zormite,etc. I also have like 5 pics. Ill post some. Stefan, this should be enough proof. please return my helm back. his account is "Matin" I believe.
My account is "UnwantedPolice".

The only thing that you could do to him was if he was on-tag. You could boot him outta his kingdom, but...
Since he's quite strong, any other kingdom will take him
If no Kingdom will take him he'll just stay on b-mode and PK around.

draiden0 · #16 09-12-2003, 10:22 AM

Unfortunally the more complex the game the more you can mess with their minds. Are we stupid? Like that time I was pked in PSO because I didn't reply to IWILLKILU. Maybe if I talked to him he wouldn't have killed me. Maybe if we are all paranoid jerks we will never lose anything.

Online games force players to think and learn. If they avoid this they will be destined for only one thing. Taken advantage of by some ass. But isn't real life just as harsh sometimes?

syltburk · #17 09-12-2003, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by Tseng

ahahaha

i laugh with you

Judge_S · #18 09-12-2003, 07:20 PM

Torankusu isn't as bad as you think if you're not in the receiving end.
*shrugs* I trust him.

Matin · #19 09-12-2003, 07:53 PM

Hey you i like you too hehe

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Tseng · #20 09-12-2003, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by Judge_S
Torankusu isn't as bad as you think if you're not in the receiving end.
*shrugs* I trust him.

I trust him too!

To always cause trouble wherever he can...

Judge_S · #21 09-12-2003, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by Tseng

I trust him too!

To always cause trouble wherever he can...

I was being serious. I do trust him. However, I don't condone what he has done, so don't go getting the wrong ideas.

Like I said, he's a lot different if you aren't on the receiving end.

Tseng · #22 09-12-2003, 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by Judge_S

I was being serious. I do trust him. However, I don't condone what he has done, so don't go getting the wrong ideas.

Like I said, he's a lot different if you aren't on the receiving end.

Hey, he never scammed me, but I still don't trust him.

syltburk · #23 09-12-2003, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by Judge_S

I I do trust him. However,

he use cc fraud and i still trust him!!

Kaimetsu · #24 09-13-2003, 03:11 AM

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Originally posted by Judge_S
Torankusu isn't as bad as you think if you're not in the receiving end.

I think a more accurate version would be:

Torankusu isn't as bad as you think until you're on the receiving end.

brock128 · #25 09-13-2003, 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by KyJe27

Dont trust people on graal... Save staff.

Even some staff.

Nemesis comes to mind.

Back on topic...
Your loss. Never let sombody random borrow somthing, unless you trust them. You gave them somthing, and they desided to keep it. If you said "I want it back in an hour." it would be dishonest, but it wouldn't be scamming. Scamming if they say "I'll give you your (blah) for my (blah)" and you don't get yours.

Zethar · #26 09-13-2003, 06:28 AM

Yah, so letting him hold my HSoD and him giving it back is non-trust worthy? If you did something to him of course he'd do something back, as would I. If someone was an ass to me or scammed me i'd scam them back if I had the chance.

Kaimetsu · #27 09-13-2003, 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by Zethar
Yah, so letting him hold my HSoD and him giving it back is non-trust worthy? If you did something to him of course he'd do something back, as would I. If someone was an ass to me or scammed me i'd scam them back if I had the chance.

Dude, you can't validate trust with a single honest act. For him to be described as trustworthy, he has to never abuse a person's trust. That's not the case here.

Judge_S · #28 09-14-2003, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
I think a more accurate version would be:

Torankusu isn't as bad as you think until you're on the receiving end.

Oh well. For what it's worth, I doubt that will ever happen to me - as I have given up on Kingdoms.

Tseng · #29 09-14-2003, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by Judge_S

Oh well. For what it's worth, I doubt that will ever happen to me - as I have given up on Kingdoms.

If you have no idea what's going on there, why would you attempt to argue for his trustworthiness?

Judge_S · #30 09-14-2003, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng
If you have no idea what's going on there, why would you attempt to argue for his trustworthiness?

I do have an idea, but an idea only. I suppose I stopped playing when things started to go from bad to worse. It is clear to me that in a general sense, he would be untrustworthy. I was merely trying to get across that trust has been put into him by me, and he hasn't betrayed that trust.
I am in no way trying to wipe away what has been done, and said to have been done, seeing as that would be naive and imbecilic of me.

GoZelda · #31 09-14-2003, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by UnwantedPolice
"hmm gives me a lil more HP, I think ill keep it."

lol XD

Tseng · #32 09-14-2003, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by Judge_S

It is clear to me that in a general sense, he would be untrustworthy. I was merely trying to get across that trust has been put into him by me, and he hasn't betrayed that trust.

Um, frequently thieves have friends they don't rob, man. It doesn't prove anything.

mhermher · #33 09-14-2003, 04:51 PM

I'll change jaffers quote to: I'll laugh at you

That was totaly uncalled for, just because Torankusu is a asshat to you doesn't mean he isn't trusted and loved, i infact trust him so much i could give him all my items and he would return it... the one i don't trust is you, Toran is a good guy, just because you don't like him doesn't mean you get any rights at all to laugh at people who do.

Please keep your grudges(sp?) for yourself.

Tseng · #34 09-14-2003, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by mhermher

I'll change jaffers quote to: I'll laugh at you

Mis-quoting people is bad.

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That was totaly uncalled for,

As was your post. As is your mere presence at these forums.

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just because Torankusu is a asshat to you doesn't mean he isn't trusted and loved,

Every criminal has his good friends, and sometimes even his family. These people will trust and sometimes even love him.

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i infact trust him so much i could give him all my items and he would return it...

That's nice.

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the one i don't trust is you,

Becuase I serve to disprove you and/or make you look like a fool at every opportunity you give me? (And, it's not like you make it terribly hard)

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Toran is a good guy,

Again: hahahaha

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just because you don't like him gives you any rights at all to laugh at people who do.

How does whether I like him or not affect how much I trust him? I trust people I don't like; similarly, I have people whom I like but do not trust. They're independent, man.

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Please keep your grudges(sp?) for yourself.

Please keep your 'words of wisdom' to yourself. Fool.

Judge_S · #35 09-14-2003, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by Tseng

Um, frequently thieves have friends they don't rob, man. It doesn't prove anything.

Well, it's always open to interpretation. I'll leave it at that.

mhermher · #36 09-14-2003, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by Tseng

Mis-quoting people is bad.

www.dictionary.com, look up "change".

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As was your post. As is your mere presence at these forums.

This shows who the uncalled one is, saying i'm uncalled to be here is just childish.

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Every criminal has his good friends, and sometimes even his family. These people will trust and sometimes even love him.

Indeed.

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That's nice.

Sure is.

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Becuase I serve to disprove you and/or make you look like a fool at every opportunity you give me? (And, it's not like you make it terribly hard)

No, because my heart and brain tells me not to trust you.

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Again: hahahaha

Again: Just because you dislike him don't make him a bad guy.

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How does whether I like him or not affect how much I trust him? I trust people I don't like; similarly, I have people whom I like but do not trust. They're independent, man.

Originaly said by Tseng: Literacy skills is good.

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Please keep your 'words of wisdom' to yourself. Fool.

If they are words of wisdom how am i a fool?

Kaimetsu · #37 09-15-2003, 06:11 AM

Tyrial, stop, for your own sake. You suck at these arguments, you're just making it all the more fun for him.

Tseng · #38 09-15-2003, 07:16 AM

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Originally posted by mhermher

www.dictionary.com, look up "change".

I find it so ironic that you later tell me to look up literacy. You said you are "changing his quote" - altering quotes is bad, man. That's called 'misquoting'. I'm sure you were trying to say something else, but I'm starting to believe that you fail to comprehend even the meaning of the word literacy. Perhaps try http://www.dictionary.com yourself?

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This shows who the uncalled one is, saying i'm uncalled to be here is just childish.

Nice English. Too bad that sentence makes no sense.

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No, because my heart and brain tells me not to trust you.

What untrustworthy acts have I performed which would make you think/feel that? I'm curious.

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Again: Just because you dislike him don't make him a bad guy.

You just made my brain stop for a minute. You just finished saying how I'm a bad guy, and your only basis for saying this is because you don't like me. And now you're saying this? -_-

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Originaly said by Tseng: Literacy skills is good.

Indeed, they have proven useful several times throughout my life. Please refer to the above comments related to you saying this.

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If they are words of wisdom how am i a fool?

I will refer you yet again to dictionary.com which you so cleverly forwarded me to. This time, look up: 'sarcasm'.

mhermher · #39 09-15-2003, 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng

I find it so ironic that you later tell me to look up literacy. You said you are "changing his quote" - altering quotes is bad, man. That's called 'misquoting'. I'm sure you were trying to say something else, but I'm starting to believe that you fail to comprehend even the meaning of the word literacy. Perhaps try http://www.dictionary.com yourself?

Wrong, i ain't misquoting, i'm changing his quote so it can be my own.

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Nice English. Too bad that sentence makes no sense.

Once again: English is my fourth language, i'd like to see you make any sense with it as your fourth language.

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What untrustworthy acts have I performed which would make you think/feel that? I'm curious.

It's not about acts, it's how you behave... you keep harassing torankusu and you got HIM banned for something he didn't do...

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You just made my brain stop for a minute. You just finished saying how I'm a bad guy, and your only basis for saying this is because you don't like me. And now you're saying this? -_-

Well, you were posting offers on a log, harassing me, and what not because you don't like me.

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Indeed, they have proven useful several times throughout my life. Please refer to the above comments related to you saying this.

Not this time, as if it would, you would of known that my original post didn't have anything with trust to do.

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just because you don't like him doesn't mean you get any rights at all to laugh at people who do.

Now tell me where the word trust comes from?

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I will refer you yet again to dictionary.com which you so cleverly forwarded me to. This time, look up: 'sarcasm'.

Dito.

Kaimetsu · #40 09-15-2003, 09:51 AM

Dawgs, if you want to continue to argue on this point (and for one of you that's a bad idea), please try to keep it clean.