Okay, lets get this sorted out....

[Spark910]

Should the rule be fully set that if you are on a playerworld and you give them things then no longer want them to use it, that its tuff luck and its theres forever?

Some PWs enforces this rule them selves, but I wondered should it be a full rule?

Yes/No and Why:

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Spark910
Should the rule be fully set that if you are on a playerworld and you give them things then no longer want them to use it, that its tuff luck and its theres forever?

Some PWs enforces this rule them selves, but I wondered should it be a full rule?

Yes/No and Why:

yes, mainly because if people remove their stuff when they get fired or quit (if you are referring to staff), it can screw things up, like scripts, and gfx, and even levels..... even players uploaded items should not have to be removed at their say so, things that are uploaded to a PW are for all the players enjoyment, not only the person that it belongs to...it also states in the graal rules that anything uploaded then belongs to graal, so they shouldnt be able to do it anyway

[Mismimicism]

I think this rule HAVE to be enforced, if people just kept taking back their work, Graal would be full of holes. It kinda would make nonsense if I took back all levels i made on era :/ Half of their world would be gone

I mean, when you upload anything on a server, you GIVE it to them, they cant just say "i take it out" and screw things on the server just cause of a conflict

[Lyndzey]

Yes.

If you submit your work, it's a property of graalonline.com.

[Spark910]

I'll give it some more time, but I think the end choice will be 'Yes'

[Thought]

Yep, it's already in the rules/agreement as Lyndzey stated, anything that is uploaded to Linux Cyberjouerers' Graal servers becomes propety of theirs, thus you cannot have it removed.

[Milkdude99]

Ok lets look at it this way, people are hired to do a job are they not? Does not this job require them to perform some action? For some it is anwsering questions (FAQ), others it is making sure rules are enforced (GPs) now we come to Staff like GAT, NAT , LAT , it is their job to MAKE things for the server. They are not making for themselves but for the server they work for because it is REQUIRED for them to do so , is it not?So all work done does not belong to them , it never did since it is required to be Staff you do this and something you agree to when you take that postion. Regardless if it is said or written or not it is an implied contract.

I know of no server who hires Lats or any Staff to sit around and do nothing. Work is required to be Staff and all work belongs to the server you work for, its that simple. If you don't want your worked used for that server then don't get a job there. Its like you get a job at a Wal-Mart lets say and you make a sign for some promotion, is this YOUR sign? Can you at any time rip it off the wall and take it with you? No it belongs to Wal-Mart doesn't it? It is what you do to work there and nothing you do when you accept that postion belongs to you but rather the company you work for. This is no different than Graal , all work belongs to the PW and in turn Graal, since they own the PW. If you believe anything else you are simply deluding yourself.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Thought
Yep, it's already in the rules/agreement as Lyndzey stated, anything that is uploaded to Linux Cyberjouerers' Graal servers becomes propety of theirs, thus you cannot have it removed.

True. Just some people complain like hell to me, and some let them have the work back, or take it back. Okay well its in the rules, it will reamain in the rules, nobody ask me about it again, as its like that, and thats the way it is...

Im sure they could be exceptions if they were doing something im thinking of, but I wont say it. And it wouldnt apply.

[thesaiyan]

I remember a while back they made a big deal about this on the forums. Some staff member from a server quit and delete all his work and the server went belly up.. I always thought that once uploaded to a server, its Graal's property and that deleting it because they leave was illegal and could result in that person being punished.

[TifaKhan]

Originally posted by thesaiyan
I remember a while back they made a big deal about this on the forums. Some staff member from a server quit and delete all his work and the server went belly up.. I always thought that once uploaded to a server, its Graal's property and that deleting it because they leave was illegal and could result in that person being punished.

The problem is these people are very rarely punished.
And its the servers that suffer.
All we can do is hope when this happens that the word is passed along so other playerworlds know NOT to hire that person.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by thesaiyan
I remember a while back they made a big deal about this on the forums. Some staff member from a server quit and delete all his work and the server went belly up.. I always thought that once uploaded to a server, its Graal's property and that deleting it because they leave was illegal and could result in that person being punished.

If they try that now they can and will be Global banned for it. Causing damage to a server like that (deleting levels or GFX) is a global banning offense.

[davidpsy]

I think that if gfx or levels or npcs go to a server they should stay. But what doesnt make sence is if I made gfx for my server and I pay money for my server to get up that graal owns my server and the gfx I made even though I had to pay to get it up and make everything. unixmad or stefan can just take my playerworld away from me and make someone else manager at any point just for no reason....

[Zurkiba]

Once you turn in a piece of work then it becomes the sole property of Graal and the server.

[TripleE]

Originally posted by Lyndzey
Yes.

If you submit your work, it's a property of graalonline.com.

What she said.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by TifaKhan


The problem is these people are very rarely punished.
And its the servers that suffer.
All we can do is hope when this happens that the word is passed along so other playerworlds know NOT to hire that person.

Every person who has deleted levels like this since I have been on PWA have got a global ban.

[Mismimicism]

Well i dont think it should be a global banable consequence, since you can restore these files in webgifs, just reupload them

[Lyndzey]

Originally posted by Mismimicism
Well i dont think it should be a global banable consequence, since you can restore these files in webgifs, just reupload them

It's not like reuploading them is not a lot of trouble.

Most of the time, this happens on a UC server and they do not have the time to upload backups when they are already working hard to get playable.

[Knuckles]

Originally posted by davidpsy
I think that if gfx or levels or npcs go to a server they should stay. But what doesnt make sence is if I made gfx for my server and I pay money for my server to get up that graal owns my server and the gfx I made even though I had to pay to get it up and make everything. unixmad or stefan can just take my playerworld away from me and make someone else manager at any point just for no reason....

...Now this is an intresting topic. By purchasing a PW, it no longer becomes FULL property of Graal, it becomes the owner of the servers? Therefor he can sell or do whatever he wants with his stuff?

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Mismimicism
Well i dont think it should be a global banable consequence, since you can restore these files in webgifs, just reupload them

You wouldn’t want any punishment towards someone who attacked and deleted your server? There are ALWAYS things that aren’t backed up, no matter how small or large, and sometimes they aren’t replaceable as nobody can remake them like they were.

Or how about this, playing with the rule. Your PW got attacked as somebody wanted their levels and NPCs removed, surly you would want a punishment?

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by Spark910


You wouldn’t want any punishment towards someone who attacked and deleted your server? There are ALWAYS things that aren’t backed up, no matter how small or large, and sometimes they aren’t replaceable as nobody can remake them like they were.

Or how about this, playing with the rule. Your PW got attacked as somebody wanted their levels and NPCs removed, surly you would want a punishment?

Sue for destruction of property

[draygin]

Oops I posted no but I ment yes, blah.

I would say it depends on the circumstances. Like if some one said a level/graphic/npc maker sucked and they didnt want his stuff anyways. Then they shouldn't be global banned since the person said they didnt want them. However in most circumstances it shouldn't be allowed. Otherwise any one any where could potentially ruin a server just because they decided they didnt want to work there anymore.

Personally I make it known that if a person quits or is fired at any time all work will remain on the server and the person who made it will not be able to remove it. Then there are backups having lots of back ups helps against this.

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by Knuckles


...Now this is an intresting topic. By purchasing a PW, it no longer becomes FULL property of Graal, it becomes the owner of the servers? Therefor he can sell or do whatever he wants with his stuff?

I think we should make a thread about this . I mean its a total rip off if we have to pay money for Stefan and Unixmad to actually own our stuff...

Also does this mean if I made a graphic and some yahoo saw it and uploaded it on Graal that means he just gave my graphic to Graal without my say so?!?! How is that legal?!!?

[Mismimicism]

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Originally posted by Spark910


You wouldn’t want any punishment towards someone who attacked and deleted your server? There are ALWAYS things that aren’t backed up, no matter how small or large, and sometimes they aren’t replaceable as nobody can remake them like they were.

Or how about this, playing with the rule. Your PW got attacked as somebody wanted their levels and NPCs removed, surly you would want a punishment?
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Yes, i would ban them from my server, but why should they be forbiden to play the whole Graal game because they took back their work?

[Lyndzey]

Originally posted by Knuckles


...Now this is an intresting topic. By purchasing a PW, it no longer becomes FULL property of Graal, it becomes the owner of the servers? Therefor he can sell or do whatever he wants with his stuff?

PWA/unixmad should probably write up a document explaining what a paid for server can/cannot do.

[NeoJenova]

Originally posted by Lyndzey


PWA/unixmad should probably write up a document explaining what a paid for server can/cannot do.

Yeah, they should.. lets say a PWA/unixmad fires a server manager (for something they did horribly wrong) who is also the person who purchased the server. If they want to take there stuff lets say... 300 levels, 3/4 of the scripts, and some graphics and this playerworld has a large player base what happens then. Do you let the server get shutdown or let him take all his stuff which is pretty much the server and pass the account down to the Co-Manager?

How do you think that would work?

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by NeoJenova


Yeah, they should.. lets say a PWA/unixmad fires a server manager (for something they did horribly wrong) who is also the person who purchased the server. If they want to take there stuff lets say... 300 levels, 3/4 of the scripts, and some graphics and this playerworld has a large player base what happens then. Do you let the server get shutdown or let him take all his stuff which is pretty much the server and pass the account down to the Co-Manager?

How do you think that would work?

Since a Manager and Co-Manager have equal power I don't see a problem if one is removed, regardless who paid the bill the first time. As Co-Manager the power is shared, now if it is an Asst-Manager then no the PW must be shut down because an Asst-Manager is an employee not an owner as a Manager or Co-Manager is. PW should NOT be handed down like a pass around pack of cookies, to be blunt about it unless you are an Owner/Manager you really don't have a say so in what happens to it. If you don't like what happens then you are always free to make your own PW, true?

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Lyndzey


PWA/unixmad should probably write up a document explaining what a paid for server can/cannot do.

I will write up some rules for playerworlds, as people, as we have seen, think they do not apply anymore as Nemesis has left. His rules are in place still, for those questioning them, as nobody has changed/stopped them.

I will then create some rules, and another document I think will be useful for something on the PWA, this weekend, I will probably have to talk to Unix though, which could be hard.

And Paid PWs can be shut down. Personally I feel this was done wrong, and rules and an agreement should have been made prior to release, that you must agree to, and breech of these would be a punishment set out in the agreement you agreed to. But don’t think you have paid and are on a free ride, at the moment, you are different as there are none paid PWs, but soon they will have to pay, so you will be less special and unique. While some rules may be edited, some will remain, and you can and will be shut down if you break certain rules, or continue to do so, and I have no idea about payment refunds. But these rules will have to be drafted up.

[Darlene159]

I will just say that there needs to be some sort of rules for all these PW's...some are under the impression that no rules mean absolutely no rules, there are some I have seen already that are not going to make it because of the way they treat people, like one for instance (not mentioning any names) that I went on, the manager PM'ed me and laughed at me, and 2 staff members attacked me verbally as I came on and continued until I left, not to mention them running around with a level4 sword and 20 hearts. These PW's will NOT make it, and they better get a clue before they waste their money.
Then you have some managers that dont think PWA has any right to come on their server to do anything.
Saying you dont have to have any rules was a bad idea from the very beginning, but it will hurt the PW the most in the long run, people will stop playing, and their PW will die....but, I'm not Unixmad/Stefan, obviously they can run things however they want