Idea for Anti - Inflation

Tim26 · #1 07-09-2003, 07:58 PM

Well.. Diamond prices and everything else's price has risen to %50 more platinum coins then lets say 10 months ago. I know alot of people have improved weapons such as me. What if weapons could get damaged more and more based on a percent system, when it reaches 0 instead of being destroyed it would miss every hit. Inflation happend because people had ALOT more money and could afford almost anything, soon others cought up, but if weapons would get damaged, you could get them repaired once in awhile which would take a good amount of money, maybe 1000-3000 plat depending how bad your weapon is hurt. This would lessen amount of plat for people and increase its value, over some time the prices would go back, since now Lucky Tooth charm is only +1 luck instead of +15 so money is harder to get.

What do you guys think? Stefan?

-Albus · #2 07-09-2003, 08:04 PM

Yes, the idea is ok, but this should be in the suggestion forum.

ag0ny · #3 07-09-2003, 08:06 PM

Yeah! i think thats a very good idea

! Stefan you should learn from tim

Matin · #4 07-09-2003, 08:08 PM

Yeah it's a quite nice idea...

Satrek2000 · #5 07-09-2003, 08:20 PM

Sounds good. As long as prices go with the weapon's damage and slots in some way, and take into account that some day, maybe, there's less money arround so the prices can be lowered. Also, unprepared weapons should suffer much less damage from being used, to keep newbies and non-physical fighters from going bankrupt.

Tim26 · #6 07-09-2003, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by Satrek2000
Sounds good. As long as prices go with the weapon's damage and slots in some way, and take into account that some day, maybe, there's less money arround so the prices can be lowered. Also, unprepared weapons should suffer much less damage from being used, to keep newbies and non-physical fighters from going bankrupt.

Yes, non-improved weapon should suffer less damage, not by alot, but to give enough time for newbies to get somewhere..

Butz · #7 07-09-2003, 09:10 PM

Or perhaps the non-improved weapons don't suffer damage, and it's merely the improvement that wears away through time.
Like say you have a:

player's Generic Weapon (improved 4/10) (dam +27)
(condition: 100%)

That's how the weapon would hit when normal.
As the weapon is used though, the condition drops, so when it's completely worn out, it would be:

player's Generic Weapon (improved 4/10) (dam +7)
(condition: 0%)

Then they can go somewhere and use plats/diamonds/other gems/iron/coal/etc, to repair the weapon back up to 100%
Like maybe any damage under 10% can be repaired at 50 plat per percent, but as the damage gets greater, it starts to require minerals and other things to repair it.

Tim26 · #8 07-09-2003, 09:13 PM

Yes, good addition to my idea, using minerals with platinum to fix a weapon would work, it might cause players to mine more instead of buying from newbies... hopefully.. but i dont think that the damage should go to +7 instead of +27 it should be same, the only thing that should happen when you get to 0 percent should be that you would miss every hit.

busyrobot · #9 07-10-2003, 06:51 AM

although not use diamonds.....they are too much in demand already.

I like the idea, but the key to the inflation problem is in how money is made, and what everyone needs but is rare.

money is easy, stuff is rare, cost goes up.

that's basically okay, except people just sit around and make money...............or get forced out of the new economy

Satrek2000 · #10 07-10-2003, 11:33 AM

It might be some use for emeralds or rubys... I think they are underrepresented...

Tim26 · #11 07-10-2003, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by Satrek2000
It might be some use for emeralds or rubys... I think they are underrepresented...

Yes they arent really used for anything but extra shiny stuff in your inventory

--Chris-- · #12 07-11-2003, 05:36 AM

Better idea - EM's could use the raffle more which will destroy the plat and Stefan could hold auctions for super rare items like forest shield, blood ring, war axes and such then destroy the plat.

DragonX · #13 07-11-2003, 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by --Chris--
Better idea - EM's could use the raffle more which will destroy the plat and Stefan could hold auctions for super rare items like forest shield, blood ring, war axes and such then destroy the plat.

He doesn't want anymore strong items being given out so I doubt he would hold auctions for the items you listed.

Also I have mail for you on GK, GET ON!

Satrek2000 · #14 07-11-2003, 11:14 AM

Then hold auctions for improvement potions, immense etc... maybe even script based... only once a day, random item...

Tim26 · #15 07-11-2003, 04:12 PM

Trust me.. more super rare items might be good OR VERY VERY bad to the economy. And if you have another idea Chris make a different thread in the suggestions forum which i should have done instead of putting them in my thread.

Tim26 · #16 07-12-2003, 04:25 PM

Anyways what does stefan, and the rest of you people think about this idea?

DevilsDice · #17 07-13-2003, 06:34 AM

Umm, I typed a big ol' thing while servr was down, but uhh, it aint there... I agree with Zallan, and I think the rare auction thing ish good and bad

People are gonna go about offerin 45 k for a war axe, and not have it, causing more trouble..

i'll post on it l8r

TripleE · #18 07-13-2003, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by DragonX

He doesn't want anymore strong items being given out so I doubt he would hold auctions for the items you listed.

Also I have mail for you on GK, GET ON!

They would not be givin out at free will. Only to those who bid high. But then again...the people who would win are the people who can bless to Gov+4,or who have already sold glitched armour,or event weapons...

ApeHex · #19 07-13-2003, 12:55 PM

i say make it whoever has over 10k gets there money deleted to 10k
all rare alchemy items deleted (like mithril of berwean and others) and possibly all events items
i know i came to this server as a newbie and such
it was hard to get started but i finally did
i have about 16k of platinum, yet i can barely buy anything worth having!
i mean if you look at it
all of the items on here go in one big circle to whoever wants the item more
i mean its not really that bad, but i bet anything that 90% of the money and items on GK were glitched
i mean i heard that someone had almost 2 million platinum and a bunch of rare stuff
either that or just reset everything except levels on GK because at least you know the levels were hard worked for

DragonX · #20 07-13-2003, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by ApeHex
i say make it whoever has over 10k gets there money deleted to 10k
all rare alchemy items deleted (like mithril of berwean and others) and possibly all events items
i know i came to this server as a newbie and such
it was hard to get started but i finally did
i have about 16k of platinum, yet i can barely buy anything worth having!
i mean if you look at it
all of the items on here go in one big circle to whoever wants the item more
i mean its not really that bad, but i bet anything that 90% of the money and items on GK were glitched
i mean i heard that someone had almost 2 million platinum and a bunch of rare stuff
either that or just reset everything except levels on GK because at least you know the levels were hard worked for

I worked hard for ALL my stuff. I never abused any glitches or anything to get my stuff. I earned it all through events and stuff. How is it fair to me? Or other people that earned their stuff, worked hard for over a year and a half and just get reset because other people are jealous? If I came to the server today and I was new, I would just work hard and eventually I'd be strong and have everything. I see new people that are like level 20+, how? Hard work, and they have event items even though they weren't here back when they were held.

thelostviking · #21 07-13-2003, 01:52 PM

Damn whiny baby drag =//.

I know you worked hard but ever thought of newbies or whatever?
In the last bug nearly all oldbies made Hundrets of k, and the prices grew and grew. Newbies have to work like 10 times harder now to buy the same stuff.
And btw i thought you got your current axe by cali, you call that worked hard?
And btw iam sure the lvl 20 doods abused glitches and IAM SURE that you use MITHRILL.

Satrek2000 · #22 07-13-2003, 02:02 PM

GK isn't about being the best in the way of strength and power. It's certainly okay to try, but not at the expense of ruining it for others. I, that is all the three Horns, have worked hard to get their stuff, and we did get started without glitches or abuse. Why take that away from us, while you can still get started now the same way you could get started if there was a reset?
Also, why does anyone with a level above 20 must have abused a glitch in your opinion? I know people way up higher who work for it - treasure maps and all - and in comparison to others they do rp. I'm lv22 and never used a bot, abused a glitch or used any alchemy item. How does that fit in your view?

ApeHex · #23 07-13-2003, 02:34 PM

i didnt say all
ive had about 40k and only have about 170 online time and im level14 almost 15 and have some event items i know you have to work hard
but there are just as many (if nore more) people who used the glitch instead of doing it legit

DragonX · #24 07-13-2003, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by thelostviking
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Ok, that is it, I am tired of people saying I didn't work for my stuff. Since the beginning, I've worked very hard. To get to level 5 (which at the time was the highest level and everyone was like woah sweet) I had to kill shell bomy, you know how hard that is? No, you do not. Nowadays, level 5 is NOTHING. People ask me to level them up one day, the next they are level 10+. How am I whining, you try doing something for a year and a half then have it deleted for no reason.

Newbies don't have it 10x harder, they have it 10x EASIER. The 'oldbies' as you put it, help the newbies and they level up fast, and those 'newbies' that level up fast help the other newbies, etc. I didn't get my current axe from anyone, I found it. Did I say I worked hard for my axe? No. Although I had a war axe before that I sold, and how did I get it? Winning a 6 way kingdom spar tournament. I do not use mithril, but who cares if I do? I don't see how using armor is a glitch. Yes, Shrimp and I found random alchemy, we didn't know it was illegal and so we just made lots of stuff then we told other people how to do it and so began the random alchemy phase.

Also, I don't remember using a bug to get hundreds of thousands of plats, others did, they should be punished, not I. Yes I have thought of newbies, but not for long, I think of how easy they have it and how hard I had it when I started. So please, shut your mouth if you have no idea what is actually going on, on Graal Kingdoms.

tc_topcat · #25 07-13-2003, 03:35 PM

I think prices have become unreasonably high as people can aford the stuff...and how do they do that?

buy blessing weapons and selling them to NPC's
or using alchemy spells such like the sapphire one everyone is abusing just now

I think that people who choose that class alchemy should be the only one allowed to do alchemy spells and sell them...other classes should have alimit on how much they can sell and make as they are not alchemists

priests and sorcerers should be the only ones allowed to bless weapons. And blessed weapons cannot be sold to NPC's they must be reset in the pool..or the weapon should only be worth the value of the weapon before blessing

Tim26 · #26 07-13-2003, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by tc_topcat
I think prices have become unreasonably high as people can aford the stuff...and how do they do that?

buy blessing weapons and selling them to NPC's
or using alchemy spells such like the sapphire one everyone is abusing just now

I think that people who choose that class alchemy should be the only one allowed to do alchemy spells and sell them...other classes should have alimit on how much they can sell and make as they are not alchemists

priests and sorcerers should be the only ones allowed to bless weapons. And blessed weapons cannot be sold to NPC's they must be reset in the pool..or the weapon should only be worth the value of the weapon before blessing

Maybe a shop should be opened where 4 rare items are a available for purchase (War axe, ice bracers) then the next week 4 different items, and each one costs ad least 50.000 platinum coins, or maybe this idea wouldnt help, instead we should just have the events we had before, where you SPAR, to get the event items.

Satrek2000 · #27 07-13-2003, 05:20 PM

Sparring isn't the best kind of event, as those already high up get even stronger - even if you limit it to "weak" players.

And for newbies having it harder - I crafted all my tools - scythe, pickaxe, lumber axe, pliers, peg, saddle, etc etc, by myself. Now I see people massing "buying saddle" or "buying pickaxe." While a saddle is easy to craft, it sure is harder to get a pickaxe as it requires quite a few irons and stuff to be kicked out of rocks. Still, these masses show one thing in my opinion: people are lazy. It's not too hard to get it, and doing so can be fun. What's the game worth if you just sit and buy everything? And that isn't the "unfair" server's fault, but the player's. So don't whine to get a reset, but work hard and have fun.

By the way - the way I see it, you get less and less exp from the same monster when you level up. Given that the amounts of exp required to level raises, too, one day we will all be at the same level, just mathmatically speaking

Androk · #28 07-14-2003, 07:06 AM

Inflation happense when something is rare and there is a large demand on it... Diamonds is that thing! Want to fix the prices? increase amount of diamonds.

Tim26 · #29 07-14-2003, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by Androk
Inflation happense when something is rare and there is a large demand on it... Diamonds is that thing! Want to fix the prices? increase amount of diamonds.

That is also a good idea but im sure stefan has thought about that before

DevilsDice · #30 07-14-2003, 08:30 PM

You people need to lay off of DX.

He is one of the highest ranked people amoung Graal, and when I ask for stuff from him, he makes me feel like I can get it on my own... He may be uber strong, and have *****en stuff, but dont cry over it and try to get every1 reseted. He is right. I got too lvl 5 on Rex's, because I was good enuf to have people bless for me to GoV... Nowadays we have it ez, and jus because the Prices are high, doesnt mean that we have it hard... If you all would just think about it for a second, and figure, that the EXP earned today is like, 200x then back then, then obviously, then prices are gonna be tripled, or so on...

Yes I agree, we should do something about 500 per diamond, and 10k per IWD, but we cant. People dont want to listen, nor will they...

So, dismissing the idea of restarting all of us with Mith and over 10k was the stupidest thing I have heard of in my life, and on this, I completly agree with DX (unlike other things). Lets just let the nub's who sell Diamonds for 500 each have their fun... We can do nothing about it, and Zallan, your pretty hypocritable for even making this thread. Your the one who masses "Buying IWDS for 12k!".... Why not just say "Buying IWD's" ?. Or better yet, why not run around and LOOK for them... ****, your all lazy...

I know I have nowhere to speak, but as of on this thread, I do... I have bought every ring I have in stores ( two RoT, 1 RoC, 2 Rings of Int + 2) and most of my scrolls... If you just put some work into searching for them, you can find them. Plus, you can run into some nice lords on the way, which is better for you lazy bums if you cant kill them, since then you'll run faster. LO

Satrek2000 · #31 07-14-2003, 08:53 PM

In addition, it really isn't too hard to get diamonds - the three of us made it to more than 200 diamnds in several months, enough for two weapons and then some. We didn't need to buy a single one, we even sold some when they were for 100 each. It's just that - some are just too lazy.

Tim26 · #32 07-15-2003, 10:34 PM

Stefan read this thread