GFXers under OPPRESSION!

Demon · #1 07-08-2003, 11:02 PM

Ok, I have a question.. GST has Global RC so why don't the GGT? Their GFX panel is broken from what I hear. Even though they are all useless I am just saying.. their job is to fix up gfx in all PW while GST is to fix up all scripts in all PW so isnt.. this kind of not equal? Like scripters are getting more benefits than Gfxers? I mean trust me, only GOOD gfxers should get to be GGT not anyone.. like GST they don't let anyone be GST.. (Even though GGT seems to have let everyone be in it and none of em do anything) What I am saying is this is a case of seperate but equal when they aren't even EQUAL! There could be a scripter panel just like a gfx panel.. it just looks like they went out of their way to keep GGT from having RC. What are your comments on this? I personally think Both GGT and GST should have same rights only GGT shouldn't have access to anything but .bmp .gif and .png/.mng on the RC. however I feel that if GGT has the gfx panel there should be a scripters panel! I want equality here! (of course only after all of GGT are fired cuz they are all a bunch of lazy people who dont do anything :/ )

draygin · #2 07-08-2003, 11:07 PM

GST goes around to help with coding so it doesnt lag down the server which benefits every one.

I've never seen a global graphics person do anything to help any one running a server. At least not on a non cyberjouer server.

Demon · #3 07-08-2003, 11:10 PM

I know but im saying IF they did, like fire everyone currently and say make just 2 peopel GGT who are really good at gfx Im sure all PW would appreciate it. This is just a classic case of Scripters putting down the Gfxers and it needs to stop.. I say get rid of current crappy GGT and create a new one. and the team should only consist of maybe 3 people I say soulblade deek and my brother (only cuz he told me to put that in)

Deek2 · #4 07-08-2003, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by Demon
Ok, I have a question.. GST has Global RC so why don't the GGT? Their GFX panel is broken from what I hear. Even though they are all useless I am just saying.. their job is to fix up gfx in all PW while GST is to fix up all scripts in all PW so isnt.. this kind of not equal? Like scripters are getting more benefits than Gfxers? I mean trust me, only GOOD gfxers should get to be GGT not anyone.. like GST they don't let anyone be GST.. (Even though GGT seems to have let everyone be in it and none of em do anything) What I am saying is this is a case of seperate but equal when they aren't even EQUAL! There could be a scripter panel just like a gfx panel.. it just looks like they went out of their way to keep GGT from having RC. What are your comments on this? I personally think Both GGT and GST should have same rights only GGT shouldn't have access to anything but .bmp .gif and .png/.mng on the RC. however I feel that if GGT has the gfx panel there should be a scripters panel! I want equality here! (of course only after all of GGT are fired cuz they are all a bunch of lazy people who dont do anything :/ )

I agree. The GGT was made to help and improve the graphics that are on Graal. The GST was made to help and improve the scripts that are on Graal. Do you see a connection? Give me a good reason why the GGT SHOULDN'T have RC. I can give you dozens and dozens of reasons why the GST shouldn't have RC, also. The PWA's duty is to moderate what happens and goes on with the PWs, NOT deal with the graphics. There taking and dealing with something that theres a total different development team made to deal with. The reason the GST is soo 'dead' is because they don't have enough power to deal with what happens with the graphics in this game. And I agree, only the more talented and able part of people are allowed to join it, just like the GST. I don't see why we have to be treated soo badly. And I also agree on the rights. Just like the GST, the global RC should have NO RIGHTS unless the manager wants that member to help them. THEN will they be able to have rights to whatever. I don't see what makes the scripters soo better than us. Scripts and GFX coincide with another. Just think of the programmers that make the OSes. Text is a graphic, if text didn't exist then how would we be able to talk to each other on here? Who would make the guis? Who would make there scripts come to life? They both are considered developing teams, it's almost like being racist in a way.

Qwert616 · #5 07-08-2003, 11:13 PM

It shouldn't be a matter of equality.

Do the GGT need the Global RC as much as the GST?

Deek2 · #6 07-08-2003, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by Qwert616
It shouldn't be a matter of equality.

Do the GGT need the Global RC as much as the GST?

Just think: Do you WANT Graal to look crappy? People don't play games based on what the programmer's scripts look like, the play the game depending on what they SEE.
EDIT: That also includes gameplay.

Spark910 · #7 07-08-2003, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by Qwert616
It shouldn't be a matter of equality.

Do the GGT need the Global RC as much as the GST?

Well I doubt Stefan and Unixmad would be so keen on all these RCs after what happened. They may not need RC, but they need authority and to be listend to if they want to do their job.

But as Dragin said, I havent heard of anything where the GGT has helped or sorted out an online problem, okay just because its not said, doesnt mean it doesnt happen, but I havent.

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he PWA's duty is to moderate what happens and goes on with the PWs, NOT deal with the graphics. There taking and dealing with something that theres a total different development team made to deal with.

Then make a post or something to say it, as everyone comes to us, I have no problems about that, as most of the time the PWA can some what sort it out. But I mean when Bravo was accused of stealing all those GFX we, the PWA, made a whole document and brough evidence about it, I never saw or heard of the GGT doing anything about it, and you had a long enough time period to complie or attempt to sort it out. I thinnk you were around then, were you not?

Lyndzey · #8 07-08-2003, 11:20 PM

I thought they were there to check for copyright GFX.

The PW managers decide if the global scripting team gets RC or not...so it should be up to the PW managers to decide.

Qwert616 · #9 07-08-2003, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by Deek2

Just think: Do you WANT Graal to look crappy? People don't play games based on what the programmer's scripts look like, the play the game depending on what they SEE.
EDIT: That also includes gameplay.

I wasn't commenting about the importance of either of the two...

TripleE · #10 07-08-2003, 11:25 PM

Global Graphics Team does not need Global RC. They dont really do anything but check for copywrited material,and upload,delete graphics. The team isnt even active. They used to have a graphics panel to do all their work which connected them with the Graphics Database. Global Scripting Team needs to be on RC to connect with the NPC-Server in order to check for security risks,and anything else they need to help make,or fix. Global Graphics Team really doesnt need RC,and they dont even do work.

Demon · #11 07-08-2003, 11:25 PM

Well, Like I said. the current GGT is not what im talking about there needs to be NEW and improved GGT. The current GGT does nothing. I am talking about Making a GGT branch like the GST branch with only 2 or 3 people. And only the best of the best like in GST.

Deek2 · #12 07-08-2003, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910

Well I doubt Stefan and Unixmad would be so keen on all these RCs after what happened. They may not need RC, but they need authority and to be listend to if they want to do their job.

But as Dragin said, I havent heard of anything where the GGT has helped or sorted out an online problem, okay just because its not said, doesnt mean it doesnt happen, but I havent.

That's because the GGT right now consists of dead *****s who only have the job to show off there tag (except for LordZen, who is the only one recognized of doing work) why do I say this? Because THEY are the ones giving US a bad name. What do you think the GST would be if it consisted of bad scripters? Do you think PW Managers would want THEM working for them? I think not.

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Then make a post or something to say it, as everyone comes to us, I have no problems about that, as most of the time the PWA can some what sort it out. But I mean when Bravo was accused of stealing all those GFX we, the PWA, made a whole document and brough evidence about it, I never saw or heard of the GGT doing anything about it, and you had a long enough time period to complie or attempt to sort it out. I thinnk you were around then, were you not?

What makes you think the GGT team can't do as good of a job as you do? We could easily of taken care of that job if we had the authority to. But graphics makers are soo underrated they think they can just toss us a poorly made broken web applet and think we can get the job done. Yes, I was around then, but as you can clearly see, I'm not part of the GGT . If I was part of it, I would've done something about it immediatley. Because I was fed up of the way that PW was being turned into, and I hate to see graphics being stolen like that. That's someones hard work being stolen and called someone else's. Would you be happy if someone stole YOUR hard work and called it there own? What if someone stole Leonardo Da Vinci's painting of Mona Lisa and called it his own and earned billions for it? How would you think that would make him feel? Not happy, huh? All of these problems are being caused by a poorly run development team. If there was people that are actually going to work for the GGT for the sole purpose of helping others, I don't think they would be underrated below the GST!

Deek2 · #13 07-08-2003, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by Qwert616

I wasn't commenting about the importance of either of the two...

You asked a question, and I answered it.

Spark910 · #14 07-08-2003, 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by Deek2

That's because the GGT right now consists of dead *****s who only have the job to show off there tag (except for LordZen, who is the only one recognized of doing work) why do I say this? Because THEY are the ones giving US a bad name. What do you think the GST would be if it consisted of bad scripters? Do you think PW Managers would want THEM working for them? I think not.

[And rest]

Well thats why, if the team was active, and was.. a team! Then I suppose they could start doing duties. But 'dead *****s' shouldnt be given RC, they should be alive and doing their job.

Qwert616 · #15 07-08-2003, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by Deek2

You asked a question, and I answered it.

I mean that they don't necessarily need the power.

But, from what Lyndzey said, it's pretty much up to the PW managers to decide

TripleE · #16 07-08-2003, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by Demon
Well, Like I said. the current GGT is not what im talking about there needs to be NEW and improved GGT. The current GGT does nothing. I am talking about Making a GGT branch like the GST branch with only 2 or 3 people. And only the best of the best like in GST.

Then apply for the global graphics team Kinatt. Read what LordZen announced in the Graphics Forums.

Lyndzey · #17 07-08-2003, 11:36 PM

Right now, the GFX team looks a little messy. I know Zen is the manager of it and I only see him on 2002. A GFX person needs to go to every single server and be active in every single server.

Right now, unixmad and Stefan are too busy to handle this and Nemesis is gone. Best thing is to wait until Tyhm gets his powers back, then perhaps the GFX team can change a bit.

TripleE · #18 07-08-2003, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by Lyndzey
Right now, the GFX team looks a little messy. I know Zen is the manager of it and I only see him on 2002. A GFX person needs to go to every single server and be active in every single server.

Right now, unixmad and Stefan are too busy to handle this and Nemesis is gone. Best thing is to wait until Tyhm gets his powers back, then perhaps the GFX team can change a bit.

Zen was saying it's mainly messy because he cant get the guild control panel working. So he cant add any new members.

Demon · #19 07-08-2003, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by Lyndzey
Right now, the GFX team looks a little messy. I know Zen is the manager of it and I only see him on 2002. A GFX person needs to go to every single server and be active in every single server.

Right now, unixmad and Stefan are too busy to handle this and Nemesis is gone. Best thing is to wait until Tyhm gets his powers back, then perhaps the GFX team can change a bit.

But you understand, what Kinatt is saying right? Currently I agree with my bro that the GGT does not need global RC, at all. However if they were doing their jobs like GST is then I would say they do. So it seems you agree Lyndzey that if the GGT were as productive as the GST then they should have the same rights as them.

Spark910 · #20 07-08-2003, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by TripleE

Zen was saying it's mainly messy because he cant get the guild control panel working. So he cant add any new members.

A guild tag doesn’t stop the functionality of the whole team from doing what they do. While it aids with recognition of being a GGT, it doesn’t hinder them enough to be in a state they are in now.

Demon · #21 07-08-2003, 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910

A guild tag doesn’t stop the functionality of the whole team from doing what they do. While it aids with recognition of being a GGT, it doesn’t hinder them enough to be in a state they are in now.

Exactly, They are all lazy and just use it for the tag -.- I say wipe em all out and create a new with the best.

Deek2 · #22 07-08-2003, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by Qwert616

I mean that they don't necessarily need the power.

But, from what Lyndzey said, it's pretty much up to the PW managers to decide

You ask the same about the GST. Do they need the power?
Well now they do. Becuase of the marvelous invention of the NC Server, thats all thats keeping them from NOT having global RC. Just think back when you had to get on FTP to do it. Do you think they would need global RC just for that? If that was the case, then I don't see why GGT wouldn't need Global RC for that reason, either. Why should the managers get all of the GFX they need, go come to us and tell us the problem, when we could just easily get on RC and go from there? We could apply the same reason to the GST: Why should the managers go to them when they could go to the managers?

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Well thats why, if the team was active, and was.. a team! Then I suppose they could start doing duties. But 'dead *****s' shouldnt be given RC, they should be alive and doing their job.

THATS the answer I was looking for! If the GGT was alot more productive and helped alot more people, then the game would look ALOT better, maybe even get more players. I don't see why they shouldn't be rewarded for that.

Deek2 · #23 07-08-2003, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910

A guild tag doesn’t stop the functionality of the whole team from doing what they do. While it aids with recognition of being a GGT, it doesn’t hinder them enough to be in a state they are in now.

But see, this is all they get. And some recognition, maybe even a broken web applet that doesn't have a link to it. Lets put the PWA in this situation. If this was all they got, do you think THEY would be able to do there job right?

Spark910 · #24 07-09-2003, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by Deek2

But see, this is all they get. And some recognition, maybe even a broken web applet that doesn't have a link to it. Lets put the PWA in this situation. If this was all they got, do you think THEY would be able to do there job right?

Well we were doing fine, it does help alot I agree, as its hard to communicate and talk to a whole staff team. But yeah I suppose they need a tag, I know the guild database is down, but cant someone like Unixmad change it manually?

superb · #25 07-09-2003, 12:15 AM

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The PW managers decide if the global scripting team gets RC or not...so it should be up to the PW managers to decide.

GSTs have global RC...They just don't have NC unless the manager or staff gives it to them.

Lyndzey · #26 07-09-2003, 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by Demon

But you understand, what Kinatt is saying right? Currently I agree with my bro that the GGT does not need global RC, at all. However if they were doing their jobs like GST is then I would say they do. So it seems you agree Lyndzey that if the GGT were as productive as the GST then they should have the same rights as them.

I think if they did more work and became more like the GST, they could get more power...

I always thought they had global level 1 RC for warpto for checking copyright GFX (which later became a PWA job)

Deek2 · #27 07-09-2003, 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910

Well we were doing fine, it does help alot I agree, as its hard to communicate and talk to a whole staff team. But yeah I suppose they need a tag, I know the guild database is down, but cant someone like Unixmad change it manually?

I don't know. But you see, if we don't have RC, then it'll be very hard to communicate with staff. We'd have to get on the server and PM them, just like the players do. Some staff just ignore PMs completley, and our concerns could be ignored. Besides, I'm sure alot of managers get clogged up with PMs all the time. What if they log off before they even get our PMs? Thered be such a long list they might not even get to it. Why go through all of this mess when we could get on RC and get the problem solved within minutes, maybe seconds even? Why should players/staff have to suffer through they work they have to put up with trying to find our contact information, and then find out all of the trouble they had to put up with trying to get to us when we could be offline!? But it would be alot easier if we could all get something like an AIM account, with global RC, they could come to us, express there problems, and we could log on and solve the problem in seconds! If this wasn't the case, we'd have to wait for Graal to load up, log on to the server, try to find the graphic itself (which could take up to hours), or the Manager would have to email us the graphic to fix (if instant transfer doesn't work on AIM (mine doesn't I can tell you that x.x)) when all of this trouble could be easily solved if we logged on, gave us FTP rights to the graphics folder, find the graphic that has the problem, and fix it. Then they can take our rights away, and we log off. Simple. And I can tell you, alot of people have problems with stuff we can fix without even thinking about it (like transparencies and stuff). I know one manager comes to me ALL the time because he doesn't know how to do trans, and I'm always happy to help him out. Can't you guys see how hard are jobs are without these conviniences?

MaikuMike · #28 07-09-2003, 12:24 AM

Warlord Zen is hiring now, so maybe he is attempting to clean up the team.

Deek2 · #29 07-09-2003, 12:48 AM

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Spark910:Well I doubt Stefan and Unixmad would be so keen on all these RCs after what happened. They may not need RC, but they need authority and to be listend to if they want to do their job.

But as Dragin said, I havent heard of anything where the GGT has helped or sorted out an online problem, okay just because its not said, doesnt mean it doesnt happen, but I havent.

I would also like to add to this: It is not my fault Nemesis did what he did. If I wanted to quit Graal, I wouldn't go around deleting accounts and wreaking havok. Hell, I wouldn't even HAVE that power, since my RC would probably only have a good 1 or 2 rights (warping rights) or maybe even none at all. Nemesis was addicted to Graal soo bad that this was the only way to go. People with enough intelligence and logic should know that there are a million other ways to quit Graal, and causing a nuisance and getting yourself globally banned (plus the fact of your reputation getting a good whacking) is not only showing how stupid you are, it also adds to your profile how trust worthy you can be. He abused the trust he was given, and that shouldn't happen to anyone.

Demon · #30 07-09-2003, 01:58 AM

I don't think Zen should be hiring anyone, I think Zen should not be in GGT. Obviously failed before what makes him think he can fix it? I think we need to rework it completely and make it into a real GGT.

Deek2 · #31 07-09-2003, 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by Demon
I don't think Zen should be hiring anyone, I think Zen should not be in GGT. Obviously failed before what makes him think he can fix it? I think we need to rework it completely and make it into a real GGT.

Whats wrong with Zen? I don't think he's doing a bad job besides the hiring. He IS the only one working in it, I think he deserves to stay.

Demon · #32 07-09-2003, 02:38 AM

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Originally posted by Deek2

Whats wrong with Zen? I don't think he's doing a bad job besides the hiring. He IS the only one working in it, I think he deserves to stay.

I haven' seen him do anything, that's the problem, he hasn't fixed the team or anything.

Deek2 · #33 07-09-2003, 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by Demon

I haven' seen him do anything, that's the problem, he hasn't fixed the team or anything.

That's because the Guild CP hasn't been fixed. That problem would've been fixed months ago.

Demon · #34 07-11-2003, 05:36 AM

I think everyone ended up agreeing with us deek.

Deek2 · #35 07-11-2003, 06:03 AM

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Originally posted by Demon
I think everyone ended up agreeing with us deek.

Or they let the thread die on purpose. They want to keep there stereotypical superiorities to themselves, no?

But on a more serious note, maybe we can prove to you guys that we have the responsibilites (and skills) to handle this type of stuff? Stefan recommended redoing the default tileset, and I was thinking of doing that and adding a fall, winter, spring, and summer tileset to it (so Graal can cycle through seasons ect.) and if Stefan is up to it maybe add like effects into the game like rain, snow, lightning, ect. What do you guys think of this?