Zurk Corps!

[Zurkiba]

It's a fake business... but I am buying servers and server ideas. Basicily it means I'll pay for your server if you agree to a couple of things.

I'm more likely to buy a server idea then a current server. (Server Ideas mean that if you're wanting to make a server and you go with my package, then I buy the server for you, you, and your staff. Then you work on your server).

Of coarse there will be a penality if you do not finish your playerworld. You will be fined a minimum of $20 and a maximum of $50.

We at Zurk Corps have full right to reject anyone who we please. (Read the html document for more info).

Contact information (DNS, Actual Name, Address, Phone, E-mail Address) will be asked if your idea has been approved. This data will not be sold or spread around. They will stay confidential on my hard drive and they will never be accessed unless you owe a fine.

Failure to pay the fines will result in court order. You will be reported to the administration of Graal (Stefan and Unixmad) with proof of our transaction.

Full trust is granted in me. I will not fine you because I want to. If you dont break the terms of conduct then you shouldn't be fined at all.

There is no catch... it's a free server!

[Androk]

Hmm

I might be interested. Bah, I guess my time on comp will be linited to 2 hours after this =(. None or less I am still not decided, have to fight with my parents some more.

None or less, What do you mean "IF PW is closed down at any time", doe sthat mean if after 1.5 years or it being online, Something happense, you will charge the owner/manager?

What is your AIM so I can contact you?

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Zurkiba
It's a fake business... but I am buying servers and server ideas. Basicily it means I'll pay for your server if you agree to a couple of things.

I'm more likely to buy a server idea then a current server. (Server Ideas mean that if you're wanting to make a server and you go with my package, then I buy the server for you, you, and your staff. Then you work on your server).

Of coarse there will be a penality if you do not finish your playerworld. You will be fined a minimum of $20 and a maximum of $50.

We at Zurk Corps have full right to reject anyone who we please. (Read the html document for more info).

Contact information (DNS, Actual Name, Address, Phone, E-mail Address) will be asked if your idea has been approved. This data will not be sold or spread around. They will stay confidential on my hard drive and they will never be accessed unless you owe a fine.

Failure to pay the fines will result in court order. You will be reported to the administration of Graal (Stefan and Unixmad) with proof of our transaction.

Full trust is granted in me. I will not fine you because I want to. If you dont break the terms of conduct then you shouldn't be fined at all.

There is no catch... it's a free server!

1) Sigs too big
2) Are you allowed to make money this way through graal?
3) Court? Your going to pay a lawyer, organise a court trial, get the people to one location, over $20-50?
4) If you dont do the court thing, then how do you collect these monies?
5) People can make up address
6) You will have to send or fax an agreement to be signed by both parties, and I think someone had to witness it?

Someone else with more knowledge can reply...

And I think you have to say the period of time of warning them of changes to the agreement, and what if they no longer agree? Do they have to give you $20-50 or go to court?

And most servers will be UC for a while and either fail or fail when open, so you will just get $20-50?

[Qwert616]

Just curious, have you talked to Stefan/Unixmad about this little service?

[Androk]

Originally posted by Spark910


1) Sigs too big
2) Are you allowed to make money this way through graal?
3) Court? Your going to pay a lawyer, organise a court trial, get the people to one location, over $20-50?
4) If you dont do the court thing, then how do you collect these monies?
5) People can make up address
6) You will have to send or fax an agreement to be signed by both parties, and I think someone had to witness it?

Someone else with more knowledge can reply...

1) I agree.
2) He isn't, if anything he looses money.
3) Sounds silly, I guess he said that just to make people scared
4) I guess he'll trust the people who make the PW, and he will ahve the ultiate control over the server anyway, so he can take it away at any time, and claim ownership of everything that has been created.
5) Which anyone in their right mond would do. Giving your address to people is scary.
6) No, it's just fax and agreement.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Androk


1) I agree.
2) He isn't, if anything he looses money.
3) Sounds silly, I guess he said that just to make people scared
4) I guess he'll trust the people who make the PW, and he will ahve the ultiate control over the server anyway, so he can take it away at any time, and claim ownership of everything that has been created.
5) Which anyone in their right mond would do. Giving your address to people is scary.
6) No, it's just fax and agreement.

On 6 he will have to send it out if they dont have a fax machine, I mean I dont. As only faxing and letter sending are legal ways to get signatures from not 1to1 metting to get a signature.

E-mail and AIM etc wont stand up in court. And if he only says it to scare people, I ask the point of the whole thing?

[Androk]

Originally posted by Spark910


On 6 he will have to send it out if they dont have a fax machine, I mean I dont. As only faxing and letter sending are legal ways to get signatures from not 1to1 metting to get a signature.

E-mail and AIM etc wont stand up in court. And if he only says it to scare people, I ask the point of the whole thing?

To let PWs with potential but absense of money to go online. For Example SA and Oasis didn't have money in the begginning, so they might have taken this offer.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Androk


To let PWs with potential but absense of money to go online. For Example SA and Oasis didn't have money in the begginning, so they might have taken this offer.

True. But he should add a time limit for development.

[Zurkiba]

It works like this... This is like a Scholarship for servers. I'm going to buy servers and rent them out for free. I wont take any of your work or anything. It's just there to help people out.

I dont need Stefan or Unix to approve of this because it's an independant organization.

We have a family lawyer who would help us . And if anything... we'd make you fly in. Mainly all we have to do is send a letter to the parents asking for the money and they would probally send it.

Phone Numbers, DNS, and E-mails will all be certified apon acceptance. Those are the only three things you really need.

Contracts can be signed two ways. Via FAX or Via Mail.

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This is no joke... nor is it a way to trick people into giving me money. It's a way to help those people who's parents wont allow them to spend $50 on a game. (Androk is an example).

It's also a way to introduce promising playerworlds and playerworld projects into the system. Nothing more... nothing less.

I mainly expect the peoples of Graal to pay up if they break one of the terms... which is why I'd most likely approve of a trusted friend then a random stranger. It's just my insurance to make sure that you dont waste my money, and it's to motivate you to do better for your server. See... why should I be so nice and give you a free server if all you do is sit there with it all day and all night? There is no use. I might be using the court issues to scare kids... or I might not. I have the full right to sue or to let it pass.

And to Answer Androk's question... it's like. If you just quit your playerworld project while you're on the server. If you finish the project then you'll keep the server untill it drains out in six months (a good time for you to start fundraising)

And of coarse... the contract ends six months after the server has been bought.

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There is no time limit... it's just mainly if you just sit there for a month or two and there is no progression... that is quitting on it. Or if it takes the whole six months to finish it.

[Waltz5]

Perhaps Hartland isn't dead yet.

[ASouthernMan]

Zurkiba, if so and so doesn't finish a server, you can't sue. You're doing this on your free will, and if you buy the server, it belongs to you, not the people making the server. If they let you down, their is nothing you can do about it.

[davidpsy]

I think when the pay for playerworld thing is out you can only have 1 playerworld per account. So how is this guy gonna buy a playerworld for more then 1 person? Unless he has like 20 accounts but I dont think he would do that...

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by ASouthernMan
Zurkiba, if so and so doesn't finish a server, you can't sue. You're doing this on your free will, and if you buy the server, it belongs to you, not the people making the server. If they let you down, their is nothing you can do about it.

User Agreement states that I can. If you agree to the user agreement then you accept that I can fine you if you fail to go by the agreement.

See... if what you said was true then technically... Graal couldn't ban you from their game even if you killed Stefan.

Originally posted by davidpsy
I think when the pay for playerworld thing is out you can only have 1 playerworld per account. So how is this guy gonna buy a playerworld for more then 1 person? Unless he has like 20 accounts but I dont think he would do that...

I never said I was going to buy more then one server now did I? But if I can fork over $60 then I can sure enough buy another account.

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by Zurkiba


User Agreement states that I can. If you agree to the user agreement then you accept that I can fine you if you fail to go by the agreement.

See... if what you said was true then technically... Graal couldn't ban you from their game even if you killed Stefan.


I never said I was going to buy more then one server now did I? But if I can fork over $60 then I can sure enough buy another account.

I thought you were going to do this for more then 1 persons server?

[Androk]

I guess you guys don't understand. Zurk WILL check how much is done/quality/staff rooster etc, and then decide upon the server thingy.

Hartland might not be dead indeed, however what I am afraid of is the time it will take to complete etc etc etc. But we'll see.

I still don't know if people will support the radical ideas... blah...

[ASouthernMan]

Originally posted by Zurkiba

User Agreement states that I can. If you agree to the user agreement then you accept that I can fine you if you fail to go by the agreement.

There are no user agreements for uncopyrighted sites, etc.
This is like you'd be hosting a site on Geocities, and someone stole content off of your Geocities site, but you can't do anything because Geocities doesn't give a damn. Maybe if you got unixmad's approval and written back-up, etc., maybe you could sue, but until then, ah ah

Originally posted by Zurkiba

See... if what you said was true then technically... Graal couldn't ban you from their game even if you killed Stefan.

They can't ban you unless killing staff members is against the rules in the official rules list on the site.

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by ASouthernMan


There are no user agreements for uncopyrighted sites, etc.
This is like you'd be hosting a site on Geocities, and someone stole content off of your Geocities site, but you can't do anything because Geocities doesn't give a damn. Maybe if you got unixmad's approval and written back-up, etc., maybe you could sue, but until then, ah ah



They can't ban you unless killing staff members is against the rules in the official rules list on the site.

A contract isn't copyright now is it?

and I was just using it as an example (If they had that in their agreement)

[protagonist]

Originally posted by Zurkiba
(DNS, Actual Name, Address, Phone, E-mail Address)

Ok. If I'm going to give that information to you, I'd like you to give me the same information to me.

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by protagonist


Ok. If I'm going to give that information to you, I'd like you to give me the same information to me.

Easy Enough...

[Mykel]

Yay for Heartland.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by ASouthernMan


There are no user agreements for uncopyrighted sites, etc.
This is like you'd be hosting a site on Geocities, and someone stole content off of your Geocities site, but you can't do anything because Geocities doesn't give a damn. Maybe if you got unixmad's approval and written back-up, etc., maybe you could sue, but until then, ah ah

Do you know what a user agreement is?

Or a copyright for that matter?

And who said you could do nothing about it if someone stole it from your free geocities website? You could still take them to court for copyright infringement. It's just very rarely done. Costs/benefits, my friend. It costs a lot of money to go to court, and most people who have their websites hosted on geocities don't have that much important content which they would sue if someone copied.

And what would unixmad have to do with a user agreement between Zurkiba and the prospective person who would use his server space? Assuming that Zurkiba is allowed to do this, unixmad is not directly involved in a contract between Zurkiba and this third party.

They can't ban you unless killing staff members is against the rules in the official rules list on the site.

Actually, if you read the license agreement, they can terminate your account with graalonline at any time for pretty much any reason.

But then again, you'd have had to actually read the license agreement to know that.

[Golbez]

Originally posted by Zurkiba
It works like this... This is like a Scholarship for servers. I'm going to buy servers and rent them out for free. I wont take any of your work or anything. It's just there to help people out.

I dont need Stefan or Unix to approve of this because it's an independant organization.

We have a family lawyer who would help us . And if anything... we'd make you fly in. Mainly all we have to do is send a letter to the parents asking for the money and they would probally send it.

Phone Numbers, DNS, and E-mails will all be certified apon acceptance. Those are the only three things you really need.

Contracts can be signed two ways. Via FAX or Via Mail.

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This is no joke... nor is it a way to trick people into giving me money. It's a way to help those people who's parents wont allow them to spend $50 on a game. (Androk is an example).

It's also a way to introduce promising playerworlds and playerworld projects into the system. Nothing more... nothing less.

I mainly expect the peoples of Graal to pay up if they break one of the terms... which is why I'd most likely approve of a trusted friend then a random stranger. It's just my insurance to make sure that you dont waste my money, and it's to motivate you to do better for your server. See... why should I be so nice and give you a free server if all you do is sit there with it all day and all night? There is no use. I might be using the court issues to scare kids... or I might not. I have the full right to sue or to let it pass.

And to Answer Androk's question... it's like. If you just quit your playerworld project while you're on the server. If you finish the project then you'll keep the server untill it drains out in six months (a good time for you to start fundraising)

And of coarse... the contract ends six months after the server has been bought.

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There is no time limit... it's just mainly if you just sit there for a month or two and there is no progression... that is quitting on it. Or if it takes the whole six months to finish it.

How do we know your not a serial killer or something wrose
I wouldnt trust giving anything to people online I never even meet unless its a big company.

See... if what you said was true then technically... Graal couldn't ban you from their game even if you killed Stefan.

You'd have bigger problems then just getting banned form Graal.

[Zurkiba]

I couldn't be a serial killer because this would be the first place they'd look. Plus if I was a serial killer then I would have to kill a couple of people before I got to you.

But I was inspired by Hannibal... mwuahaha *eats brains*

Nah. It's all prefectly safe. I've never left the proximate states of Georgia (Tenn, South Carolina, Flordia, Alabama)... so I'll probably never even see you. Unless in two years you come to Georgia (For some odd reason) then we could meet... or even if you have to go through Hartsfield.

[Zurkiba]

bump

[TripleE]

Originally posted by Zurkiba
I couldn't be a serial killer because this would be the first place they'd look. Plus if I was a serial killer then I would have to kill a couple of people before I got to you.

But I was inspired by Hannibal... mwuahaha *eats brains*

Nah. It's all prefectly safe. I've never left the proximate states of Georgia (Tenn, South Carolina, Flordia, Alabama)... so I'll probably never even see you. Unless in two years you come to Georgia (For some odd reason) then we could meet... or even if you have to go through Hartsfield.

Who would look on a game chatting forum for a serial killer?who uses the name Zurk?

[MadWolf]

Originally posted by TripleE

Who would look on a game chatting forum for a serial killer?who uses the name Zurk?

Me, I know where you live.

[Mismimicism]

I think it would be better in any case to just like to pay for your own server, instead of risking scamming and/or a 50$ fee =(<.<)= whatever

[Knuckles]

Zurkiba.... name sounds familier... OH thats right, you're one of the most currupt persons on Graal... and we're supposed to trust you?

You can't just buy a server, rent it out for free... and manage a manager. There's definitly some rules in Graal that prevent SOMETHING that you're doing...

[Golbez]

Originally posted by Knuckles
Zurkiba.... name sounds familier... OH thats right, you're one of the most currupt persons on Graal... and we're supposed to trust you?

You can't just buy a server, rent it out for free... and manage a manager. There's definitly some rules in Graal that prevent SOMETHING that you're doing...

No wounder why he treats people like crap... I still think he is a serial killer

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by Knuckles
Zurkiba.... name sounds familier... OH thats right, you're one of the most currupt persons on Graal... and we're supposed to trust you?

You can't just buy a server, rent it out for free... and manage a manager. There's definitly some rules in Graal that prevent SOMETHING that you're doing...

You misspelt CORRUPT... and I'm not corrupt . Look up the word for corrupt in your little dictionary.

And you dont have to trust me... you're loss really.
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And I can buy a server... there is nothing against it. Then I can rent it out again. If what I'm doing is illigal then noone can buy a server

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And tell you what. If your server is like 99% done then I'll take off the fees for not finishing. If I know you then you dont have to give out home information and such.

It's not a scam. I'm not a scammer.

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I'm here to help people who cant pay the $50 for a server. I'm here to help bring dreams. And you people distrust me and doubt me. That's extremely sick.

Hartland was about to sign with me but they raised the funds before hand. So contact Androk if you have questions about me.

And I only have strict rules because for one... I dont want you to upload porn and close the server down. And then I have the rights to overrule the manager because what happens if the server gets about five people per year? I'd step in and improve the server myself.

Hell... if we can get Stefan or Unixmad to moderate my program then you wont have to give personal information.

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And if you think I'm a serial killer then go find Hiyoshi or Dashio. Each live 40-70 miles away from me. And you'll find that they're well alive. In fact I have Dashio's personal information such as first name, last name, city, state, and phone number.

So if you dont want my help then go mow your own lawns. I offer a free $60 and you insult me -_-

[Knuckles]

Originally posted by Zurkiba

It's not a scam. I'm not a scammer.

*caugh* Lier *caugh* Bullcrap *caugh*

As soon as someone submits work that you like, you'll probibly take YOUR server back, and boot the manager right out the way.

What rights does the server-manager have protected by your stupid license agreement anyway. None. They just have to TRUST you. Wow. I have ALOT of trust for people that I don't know (Sarcasm)... I don't know about the rest of you.. :-x

[tlf288]

Originally posted by Knuckles

*caugh* Lier *caugh* Bullcrap *caugh*

As soon as someone submits work that you like, you'll probibly take YOUR server back, and boot the manager right out the way.

What rights does the server-manager have protected by your stupid license agreement anyway. None. They just have to TRUST you. Wow. I have ALOT of trust for people that I don't know (Sarcasm)... I don't know about the rest of you.. :-x

This is exactly how I am thinking. Which is why I am totally sceptical.

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by Knuckles

*caugh* Lier *caugh* Bullcrap *caugh*

As soon as someone submits work that you like, you'll probibly take YOUR server back, and boot the manager right out the way.

What rights does the server-manager have protected by your stupid license agreement anyway. None. They just have to TRUST you. Wow. I have ALOT of trust for people that I don't know (Sarcasm)... I don't know about the rest of you.. :-x

You dont even know me... nor do I know you. So you cant insult me like that.

Plus you dont have to take my $60 if you dont want. Your loss. Because you fail to understand why I have the power in my favor. Because it's my server. I dont want the manager to ruin it or post porno or something like that. It's that simple.

[Knuckles]

Originally posted by Zurkiba

You dont even know me... nor do I know you. So you cant insult me like that.

Plus you dont have to take my $60 if you dont want. Your loss. Because you fail to understand why I have the power in my favor. Because it's my server. I dont want the manager to ruin it or post porno or something like that. It's that simple.

Yes I can...

And uhh... you don't want the manager to ruin WHAT? HIS server? THAT HE CREATED, using YOUR SPACE? And... that's a global rule, not yours. The manager isn't allowed to do somthing like that anyway...

What's your slogan anyway?
Zurk Corps... we provide the cash, you provide the work that we can eventually steal, legally.

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by Knuckles


Yes I can...

And uhh... you don't want the manager to ruin WHAT? HIS server? THAT HE CREATED, using YOUR SPACE? And... that's a global rule, not yours. The manager isn't allowed to do somthing like that anyway...

What's your slogan anyway?
Zurk Corps... we provide the cash, you provide the work that we can eventually steal, legally.

Many have insulted me (Ask Dray) and they've found out that I shouldn't be insulted because I've done nothing to you.

And if you'd acually READ. I buy the Server from the manager and let them use the server.

So lets see here... Why in hell would I want to steal something I allready own?. If I fired the staff then I wasted my money on nothing. I buy servers and that's it. That simple. I dont steal and I dont scam.

The manager can do what ever he/she wants. They can sell it to me if they want. Graal cant do anything against it. Read the Terms of Use and you wont find a single thing. What I'm doing is pro-graal. You're stupid if you say what I'm doing is against Graal's rules because if it was then they wouldn't have the server system. DDURRRR

kthxbai You're a *******. (Oh and question: Why do you hate me?)