Idea to get PWs Noticed:

Spark910 · #1 03-15-2003, 05:11 PM

Now the chances are everyone on here is going to hate this idea. People who work on or Manager popular PWs will be thinking ''**** spark'' but I dont care. I think its a good idea.

Edit:
That **** was not a swear word

Okay well at the moment there are many PWs online, some of which dont get their work noticed. And I think I have an idea to get them all equally noticed. I know the top PWs are happy as they get players and have worked hard to keep them but I think there should be some sort of day when you can only acess a few PWs.

For e.g:

SL is always at the bottom when I see it. But what if we take the bottom three PWs and for one day you can only go on them, of course Gold would still be open as usual. So if you dont like them three you can:

1.) Go play a gold server
2.) Just go on them anyway its only for 24 hours why not go and PK for a bit?

I think it will get old PWs noticed for new work, some PWs noticed for devleopments they make and it will allow players to see everything graal has to offer and then it can have a more even player spread.

Also for the PWs that are closed you will get your turn one day so its all fair. And anyway while you are off-limits from players you could just develop in peace for a while and offer something new when all PWs are back or when you are open with a few others.

Tell me what you think... Think about what it could do for graal, i think it will be great. Dont jsut say NO because you want acess to a certain PW for a few hours, they'd all come back anyway.

Someone please support me

CheeToS2 · #2 03-15-2003, 06:08 PM

bad idea, forcing non-gold people to play isn't cool (not a perfect statement, don't gimme any "you don't have to play at all" cheese)

konidias · #3 03-15-2003, 09:27 PM

Bad idea. It's the player's decision to play or not play on a server. If nobody wants to play on it, maybe it's because it SUCKS.

Don't force people to play crap. Period.

Plus it would cause a tremendous uprising of angry playerworld owners who keep having their perfectly good servers shut down so that crappy servers can get more attention.

If a playerworld wants more players, it needs to be good. The playerworlds at the bottom of the list are there for a reason. It's because they suck eggs, not because people just don't know they exist.

Jeff · #4 03-15-2003, 10:48 PM

The only servers that would benefit from this are Kingdoms, Bomy Moon, and Classic (as a main server, it would have to be left out of this). So Classic would have lots of pking for one day, newmain would have a semi-revival, and maybe a couple people would drift over to Kingdoms. Big whooptedoo; there is a reason that most playerworlds have no players and that is because few of them are very good.

Spark910 · #5 03-16-2003, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
If nobody wants to play on it, maybe it's because it SUCKS.

Thats the exact stupid reason why people dont look on other PWs, they say 'it SUCKS' but never give it a chance.

And okay whatever it doesnt matter, it would have worked for the lower PWs. But hey who cares you three dont work, support or play for either of these type of PWs.

tlf288 · #6 03-16-2003, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910

Thats the exact stupid reason why people dont look on other PWs, they say 'it SUCKS' but never give it a chance.

Every time a new server comes out it is the number 1 server for 1-2 days. Everyone is trying it out. So every server has a chance.

G_yoshi · #7 03-16-2003, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910

Thats the exact stupid reason why people dont look on other PWs, they say 'it SUCKS' but never give it a chance.

And okay whatever it doesnt matter, it would have worked for the lower PWs. But hey who cares you three dont work, support or play for either of these type of PWs.

Konidias has a point, though. They are there because they have not put enough time and effort to attract a larger crowd. You're trying to turn the PW system into a socialistic system where everyone is equal regardless of thier quality which is dumb. If it sucks, it sucks. There's no denying it and trying to comfort someone just because it sucks. If they want more attention, then they have to work for it.

The playerworlds are not supposed to be equal or the same. That is why they are called playerworlds! Each represents a person(s) ideas on how things should work and be done. Mind you, though, that it isn't very much different considering that most are just power gluts and are only concerned about getting that RC.

Controlling peoples' choices will only drive them away because they won't be able to play what they want. This will in turn cost Stefan and unixmad a lot of business from discontented players.

In short, its a flatout dumb idea. Although, I commend your attempt, this is just not something that can be done and result in overall positive effects.

Kaimetsu · #8 03-16-2003, 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910
SL is always at the bottom when I see it. But what if we take the bottom three PWs and for one day you can only go on them

Hell no. They're at the bottom for a reason.

Your suggestion might benefit the poorly-made, unplayable servers, but it would harm almost every player. How the heck would it be good for Graal as a whole?

G_yoshi · #9 03-16-2003, 08:44 AM

I think we've made it more than clear how this will go over. :x

Very much like a lead balloon...

Devil · #10 03-16-2003, 02:01 PM

It's the playerworld's managers fault for not being able to make people go to their playerworld, the fact is, if people don't want to play it, they wont play it, simple as that.

konidias · #11 03-16-2003, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910

Thats the exact stupid reason why people dont look on other PWs, they say 'it SUCKS' but never give it a chance.

And okay whatever it doesnt matter, it would have worked for the lower PWs. But hey who cares you three dont work, support or play for either of these type of PWs.

Like everyone else including me has said. They suck. Case closed.

I KNEW somebody would say "well that is the reason people don't look at them! they never give it a chance!" That's ridiculous. I have went on those bottom of the list playerworlds, and they couldn't hold my interest long enough for me to wait for other people to come on.

azuretek23 · #12 03-17-2003, 11:02 PM

I think its safe to say this idea is no good...

but maybe they can have a weekley PW spotlight... have it up at the top for a week....

Devil · #13 03-17-2003, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by azuretek23
I think its safe to say this idea is no good...

but maybe they can have a weekley PW spotlight... have it up at the top for a week....

Hell no, people have seen them at the bottom, and think they should stay there for a reason, I don't think any server should be given special treatment.

azuretek23 · #14 03-17-2003, 11:28 PM

uh it isnt special treatment, its just each playerworld gets a day at the top... I dont see why anyone would be against a playerworld up at the top for a week

it would be alphabetical order or something so that playerworlds can tell when their turn is coming up so they can try and snag some new players

this would hopefully increase the effort put out by the pws on the bottom... if they know they are going to be at the top X day they will work over time to get some good stuff during that time

tlf288 · #15 03-18-2003, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by azuretek23

it would be alphabetical order or something so that playerworlds can tell when their turn is coming up so they can try and snag some new players

It used to be like that. I didn't like it.

Kaimetsu · #16 03-18-2003, 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by azuretek23
uh it isnt special treatment, its just each playerworld gets a day at the top...

That's not what he suggested. He suggested that those playerworlds should be the only ones we can play for a period of time.

Devil · #17 03-18-2003, 12:50 PM

There is no way this is going to be brought in, their at the bottom for a reason, let them stay that way, if they can't get players on, I say, laugh at them.

adam · #18 03-18-2003, 08:42 PM

If the playerworlds really wanted attention they would find a way to get it. By posting a lot of updates. some nice screenshots. And working on making the server a fun place to be....

That isn't GO's responsibility it's the server managers..

azuretek23 · #19 03-18-2003, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

That's not what he suggested. He suggested that those playerworlds should be the only ones we can play for a period of time.

what I posted was my suggestion lol because his was stupid
apperently no one understood what I was saying

Recap of my idea:
There should be a week at the top for each playerworld, it cycles through the playerworlds alphabetically so that people will know when they are going to be at the top.

If people take the time to read what I just posted maybe they would agree that it is a good idea

, it dosent stop anyone from entering a PW but it makes it so that people notice the so called "unseen" playerworlds at the bottom

it isnt a big change but it puts to rest the stupid idea that those PWs dont have people because they are at the bottom

Devil · #20 03-18-2003, 10:29 PM

Ok, I went on the "unseen" playerworlds.

Shaded Legend: Boring.
Frolic: Back under construction.

All the rest were boring. Game Over.

azuretek23 · #21 03-18-2003, 11:36 PM

I agree they are boring but why not just give everyone an equal chance? it wouldnt hurt anyone and it would probably make the lower playerworlds work harder because they know they will be on top some day..

Falados · #22 03-19-2003, 03:29 AM

Devil · #23 03-19-2003, 03:56 AM

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Originally posted by azuretek23
I agree they are boring but why not just give everyone an equal chance? it wouldnt hurt anyone and it would probably make the lower playerworlds work harder because they know they will be on top some day..

How about no, if they want to get noticed, they can post in the playerworld section of the forums with screenshots and blah blah blah, there's no "special treatment" here, so it's going to stay that way.

G_yoshi · #24 03-19-2003, 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by azuretek23
I agree they are boring but why not just give everyone an equal chance? it wouldnt hurt anyone and it would probably make the lower playerworlds work harder because they know they will be on top some day..

Ok...
Here's something for ya':

If you give someone money without any strings attached for a long period of time what do you think is going to happen the moment you stop giving them money?

That is what this idea is like. You're basically making this out to be something similar to "class warfare" where democrats here in the US go round to all the poor or low class citizens telling them its the fault of the rich that they are in such low standards. Then they vow to make them equal to the rich but do you know how? By making the rich poor or by handing out free money which becomes expected after so long. Why work for free money? Same thing applies to making a playerworld at the bottom up at the top for a day or a week. It won't encourage them to do better if they'll be put up there again within so many days. If they really want that spotlight then they have to work for it otherwise the consequences they get are because of what they have done.

azuretek23 · #25 03-19-2003, 06:35 AM

free money? how is that? maybe I am not making myself clear, no one is taking away access or forcing anyone to do anything its just a week at the top... not because they did anything special but because it gives them a little bit of chance

Also if their quality dosent go up and its a trend that no one goes there even when they are at the top why not just shut them down? I'm sure unixmad would enjoy not having so many servers to worry about....

this would give the servers that care a chance and the ones that dont give a damn would get shutdown, I dont see a downside... your free money analogy didnt even make sense...

btw, if no one is going to your server it would kind of discourage you...

Kaimetsu · #26 03-19-2003, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by azuretek23
what I posted was my suggestion lol because his was stupid
apperently no one understood what I was saying

Hah, yes, we all just didn't understand.

"uh it isnt special treatment, its just each playerworld gets a day at the top... I dont see why anyone would be against a playerworld up at the top for a week"

'It' isn't special treatment. How could you have been talking about an idea that you hadn't explained yet? Why would you be baffled at people being against an idea that you hadn't explained yet? Completely misinterpreting the thread is bad enough, but inventing such a flimsy lie to redirect the blame onto others? That's just cowardly.

Soul-Blade · #27 03-19-2003, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by G_yoshi

Ok...
Here's something for ya':

If you give someone money without any strings attached for a long period of time what do you think is going to happen the moment you stop giving them money?

That is what this idea is like. You're basically making this out to be something similar to "class warfare" where democrats here in the US go round to all the poor or low class citizens telling them its the fault of the rich that they are in such low standards. Then they vow to make them equal to the rich but do you know how? By making the rich poor or by handing out free money which becomes expected after so long. Why work for free money? Same thing applies to making a playerworld at the bottom up at the top for a day or a week. It won't encourage them to do better if they'll be put up there again within so many days. If they really want that spotlight then they have to work for it otherwise the consequences they get are because of what they have done.

It is good to see someone with the same views as me on the forums. Everything I want to say, it seems, you always already say before me.

I am in complete agreement with G Yoshi. Playerworlds must work to get recognized. They are in perfect order based on the playercount.

Devil · #28 03-19-2003, 02:40 PM

Stupidest idea ever

G_yoshi · #29 03-19-2003, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by azuretek23
free money? how is that? maybe I am not making myself clear, no one is taking away access or forcing anyone to do anything its just a week at the top... not because they did anything special but because it gives them a little bit of chance

Also if their quality dosent go up and its a trend that no one goes there even when they are at the top why not just shut them down? I'm sure unixmad would enjoy not having so many servers to worry about....

this would give the servers that care a chance and the ones that dont give a damn would get shutdown, I dont see a downside... your free money analogy didnt even make sense...

btw, if no one is going to your server it would kind of discourage you...

It was an example that had some paralells to this idea. To translate: treating low or "poor" PWs as though they were worth the time and putting them at the top of the list on a consistent basis will eventually convince the manager that they are entitled to it regardless of whether or not the improve thier server. You make it sound like the PWs at the top are responsible for the ones at the bottom. Technically, yes, but that is because they were able to capture the interest of players more than those at the bottom. They had thier chance to capture an audience of players. Unfortunately, if they had any large mass of players, they were enticed onto other servers which obviously provided more. I do not understand how hard it is for many people to grasp these concepts.

Also the free money example: that money isn't "free"

Something called taxes is where that "free" money comes from.

azuretek23 · #30 03-20-2003, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Hah, yes, we all just didn't understand.

"uh it isnt special treatment, its just each playerworld gets a day at the top... I dont see why anyone would be against a playerworld up at the top for a week"

'It' isn't special treatment. How could you have been talking about an idea that you hadn't explained yet? Why would you be baffled at people being against an idea that you hadn't explained yet? Completely misinterpreting the thread is bad enough, but inventing such a flimsy lie to redirect the blame onto others? That's just cowardly.

sorry but what are you trying to say? I said something and then changed it to sound better? I've lost my respect for you yet again

but I guess you dont care... that post that you quoted means that the original idea wasnt very good and that this was my solution.

Well anyway, it wont happen either way and even though I dont understand everyone being against having a PW at the top just for one week... it wont only be the bottom PWs it would be all of them, and if everyone elses argument is that the PW isnt seen than this would show them that it is actually the PW

if anything it would help unix because if they are at the top and no one is playing them it should be shutdown making the servers less laggy

Devil · #31 03-20-2003, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by azuretek23

sorry but what are you trying to say? I said something and then changed it to sound better? I've lost my respect for you yet again but I guess you dont care... that post that you quoted means that the original idea wasnt very good and that this was my solution.

Well anyway, it wont happen either way and even though I dont understand everyone being against having a PW at the top just for one week... it wont only be the bottom PWs it would be all of them, and if everyone elses argument is that the PW isnt seen than this would show them that it is actually the PW

if anything it would help unix because if they are at the top and no one is playing them it should be shutdown making the servers less laggy

Finally you see the light, ofcourse it won't be brought in, but you still don't understand that the fact that they're at the bottom is because they don't show anyone any proof that they should be a good playerworld, no one cares, because no one knows anything about the playerworlds, it is THEIR problem they're at the bottom, why can't you understand this?

azuretek23 · #32 03-21-2003, 05:05 PM

who said it wasn't their fault? I'm just saying that maybe if they knew they would be on top it would give them motivation because they can gain new players during that time.

I know if I had a PW that was at the bottom and no one visited I would kinda lose my motivation to work on it....

G_yoshi · #33 03-22-2003, 07:43 AM

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Originally posted by azuretek23
who said it wasn't their fault? I'm just saying that maybe if they knew they would be on top it would give them motivation because they can gain new players during that time.

I know if I had a PW that was at the bottom and no one visited I would kinda lose my motivation to work on it....

That is your problem then. We shouldn't be held resposible for your lack of motivation.

Again, putting a PW at the top for a day or a week isn't going to encourage them to improve because they know they'll be back up thier when the cycle comes around. Those at the bottom are there because the staff don't appear to care much. It is unfair to the servers that have worked to achieve thier spot to take it away and give it to an otherwise empty one. Just because it would be up there doesn't mean people will go there. Players go where they like to go and I'm pretty sure that new players have scanned through the serverlist to find out which one they will call "home".

azuretek23 · #34 03-22-2003, 05:32 PM

I being here for about a year or so have only gone to about 5 PWs...

and plus I dont see how it affects anyone else, anyway I dont care. I wont be replying anymore.

G_yoshi · #35 03-22-2003, 08:08 PM

I don't need to visit other playerworlds, I can look at them from these forums and make my opinions based upon what I see.

I also could care less about how long you've been here. You still do not grasp the negative points that greatly outweight the positive points.

azuretek23 · #36 03-25-2003, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by G_yoshi
I don't need to visit other playerworlds, I can look at them from these forums and make my opinions based upon what I see.

I also could care less about how long you've been here. You still do not grasp the negative points that greatly outweight the positive points.

by saying I've been here a year and only to 5 of the many playerworlds I mean... nothing drives me to go to them, I would normaly only go to the worlds where people are at, either way I understand what you are saying and it just dosent really make sense because there is no negative.... at least in my variation of the original idea

G_yoshi · #37 03-28-2003, 11:57 PM

If being here for so long has any impact then I would be better off than you.

Been here since late 2000 (Mid-Novemberish).

Its a nice idea to waint to aid people, but if you keep doing it they will rely on it and not do things for themselves. In the long run it does more harm than good. However, it might work better if there was a server spotlight of somekind put on the main Graal site rather than doing the Serverlist Shuffle (tm).

This way it gives a better opportunity to lacking worlds if some of thier "top stuff" is showcased for a day or a week on the site and the only way to get back up there is to crank out more stuff worthy of the spotlight. Does this compromise not sound better? It would essentially achieve the same effect of what the thread's topic post wanted but in a less detrimental way because it will actually encourage playerworld managers to try and make things better or more impressive to attain the limelight for even a brief period.