Clarification upon a matter:

[EliteDeath]

Last I checked sharing Graal accounts, giving Graal accounts, using someone else's Graal account was illegal. Is it still that way?

[Dude6252000]

From what I've heard, yes.

[SaitoHajime]

Yep.

[Dark_Zeratul101]

Originally posted by EliteDeath
Last I checked sharing Graal accounts, giving Graal accounts, using someone else's Graal account was illegal. Is it still that way?

I dont think that giving accounts is illegal. Its illegal if somebody gets caught getting on it many times after like 2 months of being given.

[SaitoHajime]

Originally posted by Dark_Zeratul101


I dont think that giving accounts is illegal. Its illegal if somebody gets caught getting on it many times after like 2 months of being given.

Where the heck did you pull that from? Not only is it wrong, but it makes absolutely no sense.

[Torankusu]

What makes no sense is why people say doing this is Illegal, and yet one of Stefan and Unixmad's closest staff member persons is using an account that she does not own.

[Lyndzey]

Originally posted by Torankusu
What makes no sense is why people say doing this is Illegal, and yet one of Stefan and Unixmad's closest staff member persons is using an account that she does not own.

Who are you talking about? Angel?

Stefan told me it's ok if you let a friend use an account temp. to let them test the game or test 2002. It is not ok if you let someone use your account on Classic while you play on 2002 perm. If you give your account to someone, you cannot get it back.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Lyndzey


Who are you talking about? Angel?

Stefan told me it's ok if you let a friend use an account temp. to let them test the game or test 2002. It is not ok if you let someone use your account on Classic while you play on 2002 perm. If you give your account to someone, you cannot get it back.

Ok, so now to make things harder, we have to listen to "oh, I am just letting so and so use it to test the game"
Isnt that what a trial account is for?
If this is going to be the case, then I'm not even going to bother

[osrs]

Originally posted by Dark_Zeratul101


I dont think that giving accounts is illegal. Its illegal if somebody gets caught getting on it many times after like 2 months of being given.

I agree.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Until you hear directly from Stefan that such things are allowed, you should probably continue to enforce the rules as they're stated in the EULA. It's pretty much the only concrete guide an admin has nowdays :-/

I know, and I will continue to inforce the rules as they are there, but I am saying if Stefan changes it so that people can get on others accounts to try out graal, it will be too hard to inforce the rule. Blah

[Spark910]

Well thats everyones excuse from now on, and how don't you know that peoples accounts you have banned was because of that reason too?

[syltburk]

no, you are not allowed to share.

And i hope you never will, every time you give away a p2p acount you get 1 tiny tiny step closer getting graal in a economic disaster.


:grrr: This is a message to all sharers!!!!!!!!!!

IM AFTER YOU GUYS!

[zell12]

Stefan said on debug you can go on someones account to try out graal. So, bleh.

[Lyndzey]

I'm not really talking about Classic PWs.

2002 doesn't look that great when you are a ghost and can't use anything which is why account sharing is ok as long as it isn't permanent.

You are allowed to give an account away (according to Nemesis) but you cannot get it back.

[EliteDeath]

What I'm not understanding is how ignorant you people can be. With your construing of the rules I could do this in theory:
I could hack Torankusu's brand new account that he never played, say he gave it to me, and it's now mine since he can't "get it back". And regarding the subject of Angel: she's a *****. The girl knows nothing and most likely gets others to do all her work. She and her ***** friend Drakaden accused me of using my nonexistent RC to check server flags on Era and steal money from Drakaden's "gang's" account. Even after I pointed out the idiocy of this since I have never had an RC there, they maintained to their *****ic beliefs. She should be impaled then crucified.

[Python523]

Originally posted by Torankusu
What makes no sense is why people say doing this is Illegal, and yet one of Stefan and Unixmad's closest staff member persons is using an account that she does not own.

she has her own account now

[Darlene159]

The problem is there are too many "Nemesis said this....", "Stefan said this...."
We need a clear cut message from Stefan, not him telling people here and there...we cannot run PW's correctly if we arent enformed, until then, I will follow the original rules.
If/when rules are changed, it needs to be put in the rules, the information needs to be accessible to everyone, not just people who come to these forums.

[NovaNET]

I agree aswell.... I wouldnt enforce anything till i saw it in stone
ie: Stefan or Unixmad made a post about the issue.

[Neglegence2002]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


It's not a matter of agreeing. The rules are clearly stated in the EULA: Accounts cannot be transferred after purchase.

I dont want to get techical, but even Stefan and Unixmad cant stop someone from using another players account. Since more than half the people that play graal are from the U.S., theres a law thats states, if you have legal papers, if you bought it with your own money, and have proof, it makes it your property. Thus, making the account, the person who bought it. If they take measures to globally ban the account, it could be brought to small claims court, but i dont think no one will go that far.

[unixmad]

The only rule is the rule written on the Web site and agreed by player when they subscribe.

If there is any change in the rule it will be made officially on the web site.

And please, stop speaking about your mastering degree in law, neither you, neither me are able to understand all the special cases in the law. Then right now the only law is the law you have accepted when you have signed Graal.

[konidias]

Originally posted by unixmad
The only rule is the rule written on the Web site and agreed by player when they subscribe.

If there is any change in the rule it will be made officially on the web site.

And please, stop speaking about your mastering degree in law, neither you, neither me are able to understand all the special cases in the law. Then right now the only law is the law you have accepted when you have signed Graal.

You're right, the only rules you follow are the ones that you agreed to when making your account. If it says NO SHARING, it means NO SHARING. It doesn't matter if the account belongs to you and it's your property, you agreed not to share it.

[Angel]

i have my own account? WOW no one told me :/. And Elite/KA I never said anything about that. I said the logs should you withdrawing from anthoner account. But it was my mistake. The two accounts have very close account numbers. Im sorry and im not *****

[zell12]

How come Stefan said we can share accounts to "show" someone what its like on gold servers then Unixmad? Again, providing us with innaccurate information leads to threads like this.

[unixmad]

zell12 my patience have limits, i control myself each time i read your message to not ban you.

If you remember well i have unbanned your account not so long ago, not to speak on the number of players that complain about you.

That's the last warning !, next one it will be the door.

[zell12]

My account was not banned ever by anyone. -_-
I'm stating what is the truth, you provide is with inncorect information sometimes.
[edit] Well it was by koni for disrupting an event on GraalKingdoms, which I did not do, since it was unintentional, but still. Stefan unbanned me.[/edit]

[tlf288]

Originally posted by zell12
My account was not banned ever by anyone. -_-
I'm stating what is the truth, you provide is with inncorect information sometimes.
[edit] Well it was by koni for disrupting an event on GraalKingdoms, which I did not do, since it was unintentional, but still. Stefan unbanned me.[/edit]

I'm not trying to tell you what to do zell but yu may what to lay low for awhile. You seem to be upsetting some very important people.

[zell12]

Oh well, ban me Unixmad, it will give me a reason not to play graal no more.

[tlf288]

Originally posted by zell12
Oh well, ban me Unixmad, it will give me a reason not to play graal no more.

After a week you'll go through withdraws then you'll settle for a trial account untill you pay for a classic one. You know you will .

[MysticalDragon]

You bought the account.That Makes it your account.Stefan nor Unixmad should give a rats a*s on who uses your account or not.If you bought it that Makes it yours.If you give out your pass and the one you gave it to gives it out to some one else thats your problem thats your lose.Thats how i think it should be.

//Edit i Agree alot with Excalibur is saying

Why Ban him for speaking his mind.Just because you dislike what he says you ban him to me thats the only thing curropt.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by MysticalDragon
You bought the account.That Makes it your account.Stefan nor Unixmad should give a rats a*s on who uses your account or not.If you bought it that Makes it yours.If you give out your pass and the one you gave it to gives it out to some one else thats your problem thats your lose.Thats how i think it should be.

Uh...by letting other people always play on your account, for like gold servers and such, you're losing Stefan and Unixmad money.

For example, you pay $40 for one account and 4 people, including yourself, use it for a year. $40 * 4 = $160. They could be making $120 more than they are if you let people share.

Obvious!

you also said...
//Edit i Agree alot with Excalibur is saying

Why Ban him for speaking his mind.Just because you dislike what he says you ban him to me thats the only thing curropt.

He's causing problems. He called unixmad a liar, when, in truth, he's right. We signed up and agreed to something, and the "U.S." law is just as likely to say you signed and agreed to abide by what you signed for, rather than pull out some "IT'S YOUR PROPERTY, DO WHAT YOU WANT" stuff.

FOR EXAMPLE...When you buy a DVD or Movie, the Federal Warning thing comes up and tells you can't make unauthorized copies and distribute it. "But...it's my property, why can't I do what I want with it...?!" Because they say you can't.

Obvious!

[MysticalDragon]

Originally posted by Torankusu

Uh...by letting other people always play on your account, for like gold servers and such, you're losing Stefan and Unixmad money.

For example, you pay $40 for one account and 4 people, including yourself, use it for a year. $40 * 4 = $160. They could be making $120 more than they are if you let people share.

First if you let some one use your account thier are side effects you can go on the same server as them.o if you let more peoepl use your account thier is a chance of less servers you can log onto.Not Every one has a CC.So some people can afford accounts and Unixmad is gonna ban peoples accounts for being nice and letting a friend use thier account.

Originally posted by Torankusu


He's causing problems. He called unixmad a liar, when, in truth, he's right. We signed up and agreed to something, and the "U.S." law is just as likely to say you signed and agreed to abide by what you signed for, rather than pull out some "IT'S YOUR PROPERTY, DO WHAT YOU WANT" stuff.
Obvious!

So if you call some one a liar you get banned. THat makes apsolutley no sence.So if i call you a liar are you gonna get me banned from forums.Umm No.So why is Unixmad gonna ban him for calling him a liar ,Unixmad should be more mature to let what he says go threw one ear and out the other.

I Guess Miracles will never happen

//EDITED
//Excalibur aka zell12
Excalibur: Tell them all to read what I friggin said. I am saying that Unixmad shouldn't of posted inncorect information because it causes things like this, I ment no harm x.x

[konidias]

Originally posted by MysticalDragon


First if you let some one use your account thier are side effects you can go on the same server as them.o if you let more peoepl use your account thier is a chance of less servers you can log onto.Not Every one has a CC.So some people can afford accounts and Unixmad is gonna ban peoples accounts for being nice and letting a friend use thier account.



So if you call some one a liar you get banned. THat makes apsolutley no sence.So if i call you a liar are you gonna get me banned from forums.Umm No.So why is Unixmad gonna ban him for calling him a liar ,Unixmad should be more mature to let what he says go threw one ear and out the other.

I Guess Miracles will never happen

//EDITED
//Excalibur aka zell12
Excalibur: Tell them all to read what I friggin said. I am saying that Unixmad shouldn't of posted inncorect information because it causes things like this, I ment no harm x.x

It also clearly states in the rules that staff have the right to disable your account at any time. You agreed to these things, so why complain about them now? Don't sign up if you dont' agree, because you're only making it hard on yourselves and wasting people's time in the process.

[SaitoHajime]

Originally posted by MysticalDragon
You bought the account.That Makes it your account.Stefan nor Unixmad should give a rats a*s on who uses your account or not.If you bought it that Makes it yours.If you give out your pass and the one you gave it to gives it out to some one else thats your problem thats your lose.Thats how i think it should be.

There's a thing called the rules. You agreed to them when you purchased your own account and clicked the 'agree' button. By agreeing to those terms, you agreed to follow them, and to pay the consequences if you didn't follow them.

Why Ban him for speaking his mind.Just because you dislike what he says you ban him to me thats the only thing curropt.

Stefan and unixmad reserve the right to ban people who violate rules. By advocating breaking the main rule, Excalibur is breaking the rule himself and in danger of being banned.

As for him asking to be banned...Well, I hope he gets what he asks for

[RTelvecho]

Originally posted by Torankusu

Uh...by letting other people always play on your account, for like gold servers and such, you're losing Stefan and Unixmad money.

thats like saying,
by downloading mp3s the artists are loosing money =/ yet people still do it

[SaitoHajime]

Originally posted by RTelvecho

thats like saying,
by downloading mp3s the artists are loosing money =/ yet people still do it

Just because any number of people do something does not make it right.

[DragonX]

Excalibur is banned, for a month.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by RTelvecho

thats like saying,
by downloading mp3s the artists are loosing money =/ yet people still do it

Where were you during the year-long napster debate...?

[MysticalDragon]

This is MysticalDragon Just posting stuff for Zell or you might ban me i forgot graal is full of curropt son of a guns
Excalibur aka zell12
For konidias:
"Well, so your saying that I was banned for nothing? Or because
Unixmad just disliked me and got stressed because he knows
that he made the mistake and led us to talk about inncorect
informating? If so, there is a problem here"

For Tseng: "I was banned you nub -_-"

[XxxxneosoftxxxX]

Originally posted by MysticalDragon


First if you let some one use your account thier are side effects you can go on the same server as them.o if you let more peoepl use your account thier is a chance of less servers you can log onto.Not Every one has a CC.So some people can afford accounts and Unixmad is gonna ban peoples accounts for being nice and letting a friend use thier account.

First of all Stefan and Unixmad are business men trying to make money. They don't care if someone can't pay or not. If that person is using someone else's p2p account they will ban it. Why? They are losing money, plain and simple. Im sure you would get mad too if people were robbing you of money. Wouldn't you?
Their not out to make firends. Their here to make money for a living. Don't get the two confused. Don't like how they make the rules? Leave.

[MrCharles]

Wait so Zell is getting banned for saying Unixmad said incorrect info? errr what?