Sanstrata: Review

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #1 08-16-2002, 12:44 AM

After being shut down by the old staff members of sanstrata for various reasons, some members of Sanstrata wish to put it back up again with newer levels. There were two parts to this review. The first one was old Sanstrata (what you probably saw on the server) and New Sanstrata, which were the new levels required to have a server taken down put back up again. And so, with those two requirements fulfilled, the server review begins...

You start out at onlinestartlocal with general informaiton about the server. Note: Please remove that sign telling the people "if you don't role-play we will cause doom to you etc etc and stick a glass rod up your pee hole and break it". That is totally unacceptable. This is supposed to be a role-playing server, so you choose your gender, class and karma. The class selection did not do much as far as I can tell, except write your class in the GUI. The karma is the exact same thing as AP it seems.

Despite the fact that they claim it's an RP server, I didn't find one element that would make it such on the overworld. Most of the levels are community type activities (Events house, party room, bars etc) and not one kingdom or RP guild area was to be found. The GUI is modest work, but it's still extremely buggy (still shows hearts beneath it) and it's a little bit cluttered. Including a text folder explaining the jobs, quests and new areas would have been nice, because I couldn't find much to do.

Creativity - 3.5/10 - The overworld was well thought out (it's not a funny shape or anything) but the server is simply not fulfilling the RP requirements and there is not much to do overall except hang out in the main town and mine. It seemed to me the server was trying to mimick the idea of Valikorlia and UN style server combined.

Levels - 3/10 - There were a few nice buildings, but in general the levels were dissapointing. Lots of tile errors and clashing of tiles, especially on buildings. The overworld had lots of cut off boulders and half trees, and the cliff and water edges were mixed up. Lots of empty overworld space. New SAnstrata featured nothing at all, it was just a bunch of empty grass and forest levels with the occasional seaside level.

NPC's - 2.5/10 - There was nothing really unique and special about the server's NPC's. Most of the NPC's on there were quite elementary (clothes changer, system, warp rings etc) but I must give you credit for the GUI, which, although is still very buggy, is modest.

Quests - 1.5/10 - This is where including a text file would have helped. I was only able to find one quest which was in the cave finding the orb, even though I searched almost the entire overworld. That quest was mainly just a "slash teh baddies" except it was a side scrolling quest (like zal labs on 2k1).

Storyline - 2/10 - While having no storyline might not necessarily be a bad thing, in this case it hurt quite a bit. Once again, while you claimed it was an RP server, there were no RP elements to be found, so therefore I couldn't give you much credit here.

Overall - 13.5/50

Sanstrata's Status - Fail

In all honestly, I think that you should remove the RP aspect of the server, of have a lot more of it in the overworld. Personally, trying to bring back the old sanstrata levels might do you more harm than good, because it would require massive hours of work to bring up to par. Do the levels first, then make the NPC's. The NPC's will be much easier to make once there is content.

Jinx · #2 08-16-2002, 12:53 AM

I think the PWA needs to make a set of remake rules, when I was looking at sanstrata(before I forwarded it) I saw many things that made me relize we needed more rules.

Many of those NPCs were made by prozac, and when I asked a member of the staff team, prozac was not helping on the server.

I'm thinking we need a rule that will require the old owner's permission IF the owner shut the server down and had a valid reason to do so. I don't think not getting the permission would prevent a server from being re-made, but it should play a role somewhere.

Another one would deal with old NPCs and Levels made by members of the old server.

I'll talk to Toran and Aftershock on AIM when I see them about it.

-Jinx

Max-imus · #3 08-16-2002, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
Overall - 13.5/50

Sanstrata's Status - Fail

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Thank goodness...

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Originally posted by Jinx

I'm thinking we need a rule that will require the old owner's permission IF the owner shut the server down and had a valid reason to do so. I don't think not getting the permission would prevent a server from being re-made, but it should play a role somewhere.

I agree with this rule, *if* the old owner made all of the npc's and levels himself. Because if another staff member made the stuff, it should be his say not the old owner's... When Delteria got put back up (although we were not considered a remake), we didn't use any of the stuff that Ice supposedly made, so I don't see why it's okay for other servers to try to submit the server with old stuff on it (without the old owner's permission)

Jinx · #4 08-16-2002, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by Max-imus

I agree with this rule, *if* the old owner made all of the npc's and levels himself. Because if another staff member made the stuff, it should be his say not the old owner's... When Delteria got put back up (although we were not considered a remake), we didn't use any of the stuff that Ice supposedly made, so I don't see why it's okay for other servers to try to submit the server with old stuff on it (without the old owner's permission)

We were thinking more that the owner's permission in that case would let the remake use the original name, otherwise they'd have to think up a new one.

We're not sure what will do with old levels and NPCs and other stuff.

I've only talked with aftershock a little bit about this, we'll talk more.

-Jinx

XxxxneosoftxxxX · #5 08-16-2002, 01:29 AM

well, that was a good review, as for sans, don't be lazyasses, make sure the server is complete, and PLEASE don't send in half ass servers. That goes pretty much for every upcoming server. Take the time to complete the server, instead of trying to send it in sooner, with way less quality, because you will probably fail, and your server will jsut look worse.

Spectre1337 · #6 08-16-2002, 02:28 AM

Remmember, a Playerworld cannot get up or even be nice without talented staff.. Remmember that.

Dustey4Ever · #7 08-16-2002, 02:45 AM

Dustey: Ouch =( Keep working at it... one fact that i have seen is most servers that fail is becuase of quests, so spend the time on your quests people, san looks like you just need to work on everything, keep trying if you really into it.

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well, that was a good review, as for sans, don't be lazyasses, make sure the server is complete, and PLEASE don't send in half ass servers. That goes pretty much for every upcoming server. Take the time to complete the server, instead of trying to send it in sooner, with way less quality, because you will probably fail, and your server will jsut look worse.

=)

Torankusu · #8 08-16-2002, 04:22 AM

I didn't want to seem mean or harsh, but I didn't want to review it because of this and my school project I was doing.

davidpsy · #9 08-16-2002, 04:23 AM

Thanks. ill work on npcs quest exc. we do have prozac permission about the npcs i will ask him again if you want. sorry about the glass rod thing ill get rid of that and the rp thing.....

Flamingblaze · #10 08-16-2002, 04:39 AM

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Originally posted by Jinx
I think the PWA needs to make a set of remake rules, when I was looking at sanstrata(before I forwarded it) I saw many things that made me relize we needed more rules.

Many of those NPCs were made by prozac, and when I asked a member of the staff team, prozac was not helping on the server.

I'm thinking we need a rule that will require the old owner's permission IF the owner shut the server down and had a valid reason to do so. I don't think not getting the permission would prevent a server from being re-made, but it should play a role somewhere.

Another one would deal with old NPCs and Levels made by members of the old server.

I'll talk to Toran and Aftershock on AIM when I see them about it.

-Jinx

What about in cases like Elven Lands? That jerk HEYhost took over SOMEHOW that's STILL not explained by even the oldbiest of EL players all we know is SOMEHOW Kamikaze disappeared and HEYhost came and screwed it all up. 'Sides he didn't do ANY of the work on there :/

JrTerrorist · #11 08-16-2002, 06:46 AM

Well we still have a chance for Renegade

davidpsy · #12 08-16-2002, 07:47 AM

im sorry for wasting your time aftershock thank you for reviewing it. ill send it in again when i fix all the bugs and stuff. my staff kept buging me to send it in so i did i also wanted to know what i could fix and add thank you this has been very help full

. sanstrata is sort of a rp server where you get exp for killing baddys and you go around doing quests and buying things its not a big huge rp server so ill try to cut that down on ths system a bit. we do have sabins and prozacs permission prozac can be co owner if he wants.

Jinx · #13 08-16-2002, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Flamingblaze
What about in cases like Elven Lands? That jerk HEYhost took over SOMEHOW that's STILL not explained by even the oldbiest of EL players all we know is SOMEHOW Kamikaze disappeared and HEYhost came and screwed it all up. 'Sides he didn't do ANY of the work on there :/

I don't know, I'm beggining to think we can't just have some set rules for server remakes, and we might need different ones for different servers, nearly all of them seem to have a different story. So confusing

Donald, do you happen to know Prozac and Sabin's AIM? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I just would like to ask them for myself to make sure.

-Jinx

davidpsy · #14 08-16-2002, 10:39 AM

yeah prozac is not on much his aim is prozac4242 and here sabin gave the levels to lamer and here is what lamer said...
donaldshimoda22: hay buddy we are working on hard on sanstrata im rebuilding old sanstrata savant and prozac are working on the system and items and new levels to add to old sanstrata
Andrew5656: hmm
Andrew5656: can you tell them I cant work on it anymore? I got a job today x.x
donaldshimoda22: sanstrata is gonna be so great
donaldshimoda22: ok but we can still use the levels and stuff right
Andrew5656: sure
donaldshimoda22: ok thank you because of you sanstrata will come back and all my old friends from sanstrata will have there beloved server again
donaldshimoda22: what job did you get??
Andrew5656: painter
donaldshimoda22: oh sweet well we will miss you
donaldshimoda22: but can you talk to stefan or psykey about puting it up for us please
Andrew5656: i'll try my best :-)
donaldshimoda22: thank you thats all i want :-);-)
donaldshimoda22: so you pass all the sanstrata levels on to me right
Andrew5656: you and prozac
donaldshimoda22: thank you
donaldshimoda22: ill tell them
donaldshimoda22: :-)

Jinx · #15 08-16-2002, 11:06 AM

Well then you're lucky as heck that I am not staff on sanstrata or reviewing it.

Lamer is the one guy that I just cannot get along with, he can't seem to get along with me ethier. The only staff fight I was ever involved in on old sanstrata, with him, and I honestly don't see what I ever did to make him hate me so much that he would use his staff powers to send out mass admin messages saying I was a ***(and other, expletive things I will not describe). It seemed to be that he could still be staff there on sanstrata because he was GM, he was head level maker or whatever on 2k1, and was cousins with sabin, the owner.

Anyways...

-Jinx

XxxxneosoftxxxX · #16 08-16-2002, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by Jinx
Well then you're lucky as heck that I am not staff on sanstrata or reviewing it.

Lamer is the one guy that I just cannot get along with, he can't seem to get along with me ethier. The only staff fight I was ever involved in on old sanstrata, with him, and I honestly don't see what I ever did to make him hate me so much that he would use his staff powers to send out mass admin messages saying I was a ***(and other, expletive things I will not describe). It seemed to be that he could still be staff there on sanstrata because he was GM, he was head level maker or whatever on 2k1, and was cousins with sabin, the owner.

Anyways...

-Jinx

aww, did he hurt your feelings jinxy?

davidpsy · #17 08-16-2002, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by Jinx
Well then you're lucky as heck

-Jinx

damn straight lol im sorry he was mean to you

your a nice person i have noticed every player world reviewer i have met so far is realy nice

magicbud3344 · #18 08-16-2002, 01:23 PM

break a glass rod in your pee hole.......what teh **** were you thinking?

davidpsy · #19 08-16-2002, 02:00 PM

i dident put that there and it said if you hack what will happen to you i got rid of it

that should never have been put there....

davidpsy · #20 08-16-2002, 03:38 PM

i would like to explain sanstrata is not a rp server it is sort of a little rp where you do quests and kill baddys and you get exp for doing it you can buy things in the up comming shops and play events im gonna start asking my nats to start makeing things.

Cid_Night · #21 08-17-2002, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_

Overall - 13.5/50

Sanstrata's Status - Fail

owies

AlexH · #22 08-17-2002, 01:12 AM

How many points does a server have to get to pass?

Jinx · #23 08-17-2002, 01:56 AM

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originally posted by AlexH
How many points does a server have to get to pass?

37(about a 7.5 average in each catergory)

-Jinx

haunter · #24 08-17-2002, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by Jinx

37(about a 7.5 average in each catergory)

-Jinx

ROFL! ouch for Donald...

davidpsy · #25 08-17-2002, 06:23 AM

it got a low score because he thougt it was rp and it wasent i fixed up the system a bit and im adding to new san i shouldent of had it reviewed it wasent ready my staff kept buging me to send it =\

Dustey4Ever · #26 08-17-2002, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by davidpsy
it got a low score because he thougt it was rp and it wasent i fixed up the system a bit and im adding to new san i shouldent of had it reviewed it wasent ready my staff kept buging me to send it =\

Dustey:
Sorry donald your excuses dont cut it. Thats all they are Reason:
Excuse 1: "it got a low score because he thougt it was rp"

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You cant get a low score, on levels, npcs, and quests for because he thought it was a rp server, those have nothing to do with rp, true they can but they dont have to

Excuse 2: "it wasent i fixed up the system a bit and im adding to new san"

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Whyd you send it in?

Excuse 3: "i shouldent of had it reviewed it wasent ready my staff kept buging me to send it =\"

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It is Your responsibility to know when to turn it in, and nobodys elses

Please dont make excuses =( it just makes me think less of the project

bigkow44 · #27 08-17-2002, 08:13 AM

OoOoOo DISSS

DarkHero2002 · #28 08-17-2002, 10:33 AM

i never played that server much..and it wasnt that good from what i heard, so 13.5 is the lowest i have seen for a server

Sir_Gareth · #29 08-17-2002, 10:38 AM

Um, was anyone hired scince Urizen quit? Or are you going to be hiring any more Playerworld Reviwers in the late future?

ZanderX · #30 08-17-2002, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Sir_Gareth
Um, was anyone hired scince Urizen quit? Or are you going to be hiring any more Playerworld Reviwers in the late future?

They already have four, they don't need more.

LOLIRHYMEDLOL

Dustey4Ever · #31 08-17-2002, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by JrTerrorist
Well we still have a chance for Renegade

Rob:
Renegade's With nemesis right now *prays*

Neglegence2002 · #32 08-17-2002, 11:54 PM

i think old pws shouldnt be able to go up at all :/

bigkow44 · #33 08-18-2002, 04:33 AM

Yeah everyone pray for Renegade.

screen_name · #34 08-18-2002, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by magicbud3344
break a glass rod in your pee hole.......what teh **** were you thinking?

finally something that you said makes sense

j/k

anyways, all you PWA, what was the lowest rated server ever reviewed??

Dustey4Ever · #35 08-19-2002, 04:06 AM

Dustey: If i remeber right I saw one with a score of 11, but I may be wrong

magicbud3344 · #36 08-19-2002, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by screen_name

finally something that you said makes sense

j/k

anyways, all you PWA, what was the lowest rated server ever reviewed??

NOH SCREENOR NAME U DUN MAKE SENSE HORE!
o lol jkjkjkjkjk X')

prozac424242 · #37 08-20-2002, 08:52 AM

Sanstrata staff have my permission to use my npcs on their server. I am working with don on what to fix to get it ready for a quality submission. will take soem time

Androk2k1 · #38 08-20-2002, 09:46 AM

Why are you trying to revive Sanstrata? It's comunity will never be what it was...

davidpsy · #39 08-21-2002, 05:08 AM

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Originally posted by prozac424242
Sanstrata staff have my permission to use my npcs on their server. I am working with don on what to fix to get it ready for a quality submission. will take soem time

thank you prozac you have aways been there for me

well after this is when the fun begins

XxxxneosoftxxxX · #40 08-21-2002, 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by Androk2k1
Why are you trying to revive Sanstrata? It's comunity will never be what it was...

who cares, it might even be good if sans is put back up, so that all the hackers will do all their hacking over there and not do any hacking on other servers, it'd be like sacrificing 1 server for all the rest lol