Bravo Online

[anUk]

I am posting here to see what you guys think...i have been working very hard to update the levels and whatnot.
The "Oldbies" if you will keep complaining saying that it isnt Bravo Style...Well I myself had 600+ hours on old bravo and i can understand where they are coming from although it isnt only for them
If bravo online is going to pass the review we need to get our act together and go perform
Please Post here and tell me what you think....

[Boozy_Bravo]

You can preserve, and improve Bravo at the same time, but from what I've seen all you want to do is change the place completely.
If you are going to try to change Bravo so much, then it just disgraces the name even more than it already has been. If we aren't going to preserve Bravo, then why have it online? You're just turning Bravo into an empty shell.

[Torankusu]

Actually, if I review it, I will not exactly base it off of the NPC and level quality, but things that keep the players there. I feel that it should be this way with most online Playerworlds, except for those empty ones. No offense, but, well, when you don't have many players to keep, we can't base it off that, now can we?

[Boozy_Bravo]

Originally posted by Torankusu
Actually, if I review it, I will not exactly base it off of the NPC and level quality, but things that keep the players there. I feel that it should be this way with most online Playerworlds, except for those empty ones. No offense, but, well, when you don't have many players to keep, we can't base it off that, now can we?

Well, thank you, Torankusu. Most of the other members in the Playerworld Administration I've seen go strictly by level and NPC quality, even if the playerworld averages 5 players a day. I mean, Bravo has a high quantity of players who love it for what it is, and changing that means the ultimate death of the playerworld. Besides, Bravo levels and scripts aren't necessarily bad, but they are old. I've tried to convince Anu, and other Bravo managers, that there are ways to raise the quality to an acceptable level and preserve Bravo as well, but they don't listen.

[Torankusu]

I'll suggest my Idea to Jinx. Me and him are equal in this game, so I'll get his views on it and then we'll start.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Boozy_Bravo
Well, thank you, Torankusu. Most of the other members in the Playerworld Administration I've seen go strictly by level and NPC quality, even if the playerworld averages 5 players a day. I mean, Bravo has a high quantity of players who love it for what it is, and changing that means the ultimate death of the playerworld. Besides, Bravo levels and scripts aren't necessarily bad, but they are old. I've tried to convince Anu, and other Bravo managers, that there are ways to raise the quality to an acceptable level and preserve Bravo as well, but they don't listen.

SOME levels, however CAN be fixed.

I've seen a level crammed with tons of ugly grass things.

[Boozy_Bravo]

Originally posted by Torankusu
SOME levels, however CAN be fixed.

I've seen a level crammed with tons of ugly grass things.

I understand what you're saying, and agree for the most part. We can fix them, and edit them for the better, but what the managers of Bravo are trying to do is completely change them, just leaving the name...

[anUk]

Boozy.....we have gone over this 4359845094835098435 times
i am not changing Bravo....You are Admin, I am GM.....Brandon agrees with what i said about increasing the qualitly of the bravo levels....
People will not mind having a few changes here and there....
I changed coast, many said it was "r0xin" well....other than you and a few select people, the tilesets have changed and what not man, style of levels have changed, when you say preserved do you mean leaving absoluty everything the same way....if that is what you mean it wont happen....Bravo is not a shell people admire me for trying to change the PW....Ever since i have hired you i have seen you do nothing to improve the server other than shut down peoples ideas and sit in rc....I am not saying you havent done n e thing, i just havent seen you do n e thing....If you think your job as Admin is to sit in rc and "Preserve" bravo....than you are wrong...
I have seen you hold no events or n e thing
People like Viktor make the server work, without him i dont know where we would be, as with thak, both of them entertain people even though they have different jobs and have RC....I have seen RC spoil people as in make them very lazy, I havent seen that from Thak or Viktor, My hat is off to both of you. The have been holding guild wars, RPing, making events, and making levels and NPCs in the mix of things, They along with me and Brandon want the best thing for Bravo Online, but it must start somewhere, those levels will not make the server go n e where but down...the only people that are basically interested in not changing bravo is the oldbies....well to inform you, people grow out of graal(at least they should n e way) because it is only a game, what happens when that happens? The answer is we are left with a hole, a hole with no meaning and a whole with no pride....Bravo Online was built and the owners had much pride in it all the way from Coondog to Aeryn, and finally to Brandon, Bravo deserves changes and that is just what i am going to give it, i am backed 100% by brandon and brent and sky(and most other staff)
Changes will make Bravo better

-anU (Bravo_GM)

[Graal518]

Originally posted by anUk
Boozy.....we have gone over this 4359845094835098435 times
i am not changing Bravo....You are Admin, I am GM.....Brandon agrees with what i said about increasing the qualitly of the bravo levels....
People will not mind having a few changes here and there....
I changed coast, many said it was "r0xin" well....other than you and a few select people, the tilesets have changed and what not man, style of levels have changed, when you say preserved do you mean leaving absoluty everything the same way....if that is what you mean it wont happen....Bravo is not a shell people admire me for trying to change the PW....Ever since i have hired you i have seen you do nothing to improve the server other than shut down peoples ideas and sit in rc....I am not saying you havent done n e thing, i just havent seen you do n e thing....If you think your job as Admin is to sit in rc and "Preserve" bravo....than you are wrong...
I have seen you hold no events or n e thing
People like Viktor make the server work, without him i dont know where we would be, as with thak, both of them entertain people even though they have different jobs and have RC....I have seen RC spoil people as in make them very lazy, I havent seen that from Thak or Viktor, My hat is off to both of you. The have been holding guild wars, RPing, making events, and making levels and NPCs in the mix of things, They along with me and Brandon want the best thing for Bravo Online, but it must start somewhere, those levels will not make the server go n e where but down...the only people that are basically interested in not changing bravo is the oldbies....well to inform you, people grow out of graal(at least they should n e way) because it is only a game, what happens when that happens? The answer is we are left with a hole, a hole with no meaning and a whole with no pride....Bravo Online was built and the owners had much pride in it all the way from Coondog to Aeryn, and finally to Brandon, Bravo deserves changes and that is just what i am going to give it, i am backed 100% by brandon and brent and sky(and most other staff)
Changes will make Bravo better

-anU (Bravo_GM)

But the players probably won't like it.
-Wind

[anUk]

no the player will like it, i have already talked it over, i am doing what is best for bravo, and my god boozy is flippin, we arent even really changing the levels that much, i am adding paths and more detail, this is a highly used server for pling, i wont add n e thing that lags it/or disracts the pking
Give Bravo time, you will see

[Boozy_Bravo]

Originally posted by anUk
Boozy.....we have gone over this 4359845094835098435 times
i am not changing Bravo....You are Admin, I am GM.....Brandon agrees with what i said about increasing the qualitly of the bravo levels....
People will not mind having a few changes here and there....
I changed coast, many said it was "r0xin" well....other than you and a few select people, the tilesets have changed and what not man, style of levels have changed, when you say preserved do you mean leaving absoluty everything the same way....if that is what you mean it wont happen....Bravo is not a shell people admire me for trying to change the PW...

Look, when I preserve I don't mean leave everything "absolutely the same." We can edit levels and fix them up. Adding detail, fixing paths, etc, but when you have uploaded these "edits" they are completely different. :/
I'm not saying they're bad levels, but I don't think they fit into Bravo, and I don't know what you're talking about, the majority of the players agree with me. Just about the only people that supported your Coast today were Crono, and Cloud, neither being from Bravo mind you.

Ever since i have hired you i have seen you do nothing to improve the server other than shut down peoples ideas and sit in rc....I am not saying you havent done n e thing, i just havent seen you do n e thing....If you think your job as Admin is to sit in rc and "Preserve" bravo....than you are wrong...
I have seen you hold no events or n e thing
People like Viktor make the server work, without him i dont know where we would be, as with thak, both of them entertain people even though they have different jobs and have RC....I have seen RC spoil people as in make them very lazy, I havent seen that from Thak or Viktor, My hat is off to both of you. The have been holding guild wars, RPing, making events, and making levels and NPCs in the mix of things, They along with me and Brandon want the best thing for Bravo Online, but it must start somewhere, those levels will not make the server go n e where but down...

I don't even know why I'm going to bother to reply to this. You know I have done my fair share of work on Bravo, especially considering I've barely worked there a week, uploading stuff, fixing bugs (which because MD had it uploaded so prematurely, there are a ton of. :x), helping people, etc. Though true, I don't really hold events or anything like that, you've got me there. Quite honestly, I don't mind whether you fire me or not, but don't think that means I'll stop fighting for Bravo.

the only people that are basically interested in not changing bravo is the oldbies....well to inform you, people grow out of graal(at least they should n e way) because it is only a game, what happens when that happens?

So you're going to deny Bravo to the people who matter the most, the people who wanted it up the most? Why, because one day they'll "grow out of Graal"? For the most part, most of the players now I have returned from a long absence from Graal, because Bravo was brought back. If you want to do that, then why not create your own playerworld, separate from Bravo?

The answer is we are left with a hole, a hole with no meaning and a whole with no pride....Bravo Online was built and the owners had much pride in it all the way from Coondog to Aeryn, and finally to Brandon, Bravo deserves changes and that is just what i am going to give it, i am backed 100% by brandon and brent and sky(and most other staff)
Changes will make Bravo better

There is nothing wrong with change, I agree with that, but why do it this way? We can add on things, or better yet, create two alternate versions of Bravo, and incorporate it into a storyline. Yes, you have people backing you up, but they are people from Andor.

[anUk]

OK then this argument is over.....wait and see until i update bravo cliffs, you will see how good they look and they are bravostyle
Bravo is goign to have updates, whether you or n e one like it, me and viktor and thak have been working our asses off to make this server work, i am working on the levels in between posting, i am mostlikely going to upload them tonight
the updates stay as well... do not remove them, talk to me before you upload ANY old levels, we are here to amke the past, not hinder in the current one

[Mykel]

reviewing servers, wha? they are reviewing all the servers? thta is a good idea...heh...

[ParadiseAdmin3]

overall, bravo can't get that "90+ players a day" anymore

[Boozy_Bravo]

From Alk *Leader* (DSK)

excuse me for not tossing myself into this way earlier...

What matters most is the quality for both Bravo oldbies, and newcomers. anU, I though that your version of coast was of good level quality, probably better than I could do.

But one thing struck me - it isn't the same. I don't know about anyone else, but I liked coast for its easy to see, easy to manuver sense it had, unlike any place I've seen. Even UN or Xone didn't have a really good place for PK, or to just hang out in like Bravo coast.

There is just a certain 'feel' that it has, and if you just take the time to enjoy the simplistic nature of Coast, you know what I'm talking about... Or maybe you see something I don't? Whatever the case, coast is a classic level that should not be messed with.

Well, I don't want to make it seem like coast is all I care about... There are plenty of spots to expand upon, and to do what you guys wish, and that would probably be the best. I mean, sure, make changes to all the NPCs, definately.

Well, I do not know, and frankly do not care who supports you, or who has your back. Brandon, sky, whoever has your support, that is irrelevant. The server is in need of much work, and I know that changes will be for the better.

Why not expand instead? I know some houses need to be updated, and some tiles cleaned-up... but Bravo and its people are not supportive of a total remake of levels, like you have demonstrated with coast.

"From Alkaiser, a former oldbie that fell onto Bravo, shortly from my 8th grade summer. I'm in my 10th grade summer right now, and look where it has put me again"

-Alk