Very important announcement - Page 10

Brad · #**361** 04-18-2002, 02:50 AM

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Originally posted by Frolic_rc9
Wonderfull idea Unixmad! I really hope (and believe) that this is the just the thing Graal needed. I really enjoy the part about previous and current P2P subcribers will not have to pay the 15 dollars, although I think I might anyway, just to support graal.

merlin:

if you were trying to support graal would'nt one thing you would have upgraded yourown account and used it for the forums

Sjc2k1 · #**362** 04-18-2002, 03:31 AM

well with eight days on my account and with me not being on sonce xmas i was just going to let it run out but well done unixmad i am reupgrading for another year and then u neva know

Tyhm · #**363** 04-18-2002, 04:14 AM

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Originally posted by Falcor
Its just really funny. Ill do the math for you... Ok graal. It costs 39 a year right? that is $3.25 a month. If you wanna make it every school day. it would be about 21 cents a day for every day you go to school..

Now here is your lunch (its a bout $1.50 a day for the sake of argument) Look at the difference. Even if you get reduced lunch (40 cents) So every year for regular lunch you pay about $270
and for reduced you pay 72 dollars.

Now look at them numbers. Number never lie

Per day
Graal: $0.21
Reduced Lunch: $0.40
Regular Lunch: $1.50

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Per year
Graal: $39
Reduced lunch: $72
Regular Lunch: $270

And that is why it is SO SO SO rediculous to complain about the price.

*kerblink* Yeah, so just, ah, don't eat lunch for half a year...and you can afford Graal?

I think I liked it better in terms of movies. One adult ticket: 7 dollars. At that rate, you could watch 5 or 6 movies a year, or play Graal2002 as much as you like for that entire year.
Even that's not such a good comparison, so look at video games. Find a game that costs less than $39 dollars, and tell me it's gonna give you more than a solid year of enjoyment, or that new things will develop on it even occasionally. Devil May Cry's supposed to be a great game, but it's not $39, and in a year I'd be bored with it. FFVI is still one of the best games I've ever played, and that was for the SNES, and that was like $45 when I got it. A single PS2 game goes for like 60 bucks nowadays...and yeah, okay, so the quality's much better. But you can get lifetime access to Classic for $15 - that's 1/4 the price. You could get 4 people upgrades for the price of Gran Turismo 9 or whatever they're on now.

Milkdude99 · #**364** 04-18-2002, 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by Brad

merlin:

if you were trying to support graal would'nt one thing you would have upgraded yourown account and used it for the forums

O.o I don't use a Staff account here , the account I use is a personal one upgraded , and I have been on G2K umm maybe 4 or 5 times in 6 months , I only did it to support Graal and I see your point Brad.......

Milkdude99 · #**365** 04-18-2002, 05:44 AM

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Originally posted by Romeo2k

Sweet Thanks, im in the USA but ive either not heard of that or payed attention to it ;-)
so how is it triggered? if you try to log on will a prompt come up and ask or something?

It will depend on how it is setup , I'm sure it will be some sort of voice prompt or when dialed a certain phone # it will automaticly bill the number you are calling from much like ....errr hate to put it this way , but its the most commonly way it's used ....those imfamous 900 numbers which charge you discretely as some sort of entertainment company by the minute.... use your imagination on that....

anyway it will prolly prompt you on which upgrade you want so it will charge the correct amount... like if you want the $ 15. press 2 and so on ... this of course is just spectulation on my part on how it will be done...

Faheria_LAT3 · #**366** 04-18-2002, 10:31 AM

mmmmkay: If I eat lunch at school I spend at least Five dollars, but that is only like once every two weeks.

G_yoshi · #**367** 04-18-2002, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Shorty2Dope

Very true.

Phew...you should sit in #graal for a day O.o

Listen to Viper rant on and on about some non-existent illegal money scheme that unixmad supposedly does

I think he's been under the influence too much...a dose of reallity is too good (or too much) for him

View GraalOnline Profile · #**368** 04-18-2002, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Brad

merlin:

if you were trying to support graal would'nt one thing you would have upgraded yourown account and used it for the forums

I have already upgraded before, and am currently unable to again untill this phone service comes out, so go away teh wizad merlin.

Falcor · #**369** 04-19-2002, 04:46 AM

Tyhm, don't be neive... I was trying to compare the price of graal with something most of use have to pay for every day. You don't go to the moveis every day. Some of us go to the movies once or twice a year.

c0nsp1racy · #**370** 04-19-2002, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by Falcor
Some of us go to the movies once or twice a year.

If you have no life.

ZanderX · #**371** 04-19-2002, 07:25 AM

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Originally posted by c0nsp1racy

If you have no life.

*ALERT*

STATEMENT MAKES NO SENSE.

*ALERT*

Faheria_LAT3 · #**372** 04-19-2002, 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

*ALERT*

STATEMENT MAKES NO SENSE.

*ALERT*

mmmmkay: I thought that too, but now that I think of it, he meant if you go twice a year you have no life, you should go much more.

Kaimetsu · #**373** 04-19-2002, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by c0nsp1racy

If you have no life.

I'm beginning to think that having a life and having a brain are mutually exclusive.

Faheria_LAT3 · #**374** 04-19-2002, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by c0nsp1racy

If you have no life.

Some people can't afford to spend cash to go to the movies all the time. I guess they have no lives.

Shorty2Dope · #**375** 04-19-2002, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by G_yoshi

Phew...you should sit in #graal for a day O.o

Listen to Viper rant on and on about some non-existent illegal money scheme that unixmad supposedly does I think he's been under the influence too much...a dose of reallity is too good (or too much) for him

ROFL

I forgot what server the channel was on, so I can't stop by

Falcor · #**376** 04-19-2002, 08:46 PM

Slag that was utterly stupid. I don't go to movies I don't want to see. There are maybe 2 or 3 GOOD movies that come out a year that I will go to. and that is why I myself to go to the movies often. I dont wanna see brittany speras movies or Jean Cloud van Damn starring in the same movies I've seen him starring in before... Or the 300000 war movies that came or are comming out of the box office.

Sjc2k1 · #**377** 04-19-2002, 11:37 PM

i think the fone thing will be like you put ur accoutn name and password into somwhere in the graal website and it gives u a number that will be valid for like 2 days and in that 2 days you have to fone up and pick the $15 or $39 using like press 2 now type thing then you type in the number you got off the website and your accoutn gets upgraded. how else are they gonna know what accoutn name it is unless it had extremly advanced voice regognition with soe of the dumb accoutns people have

AlexH · #**378** 04-19-2002, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by Sjc2k1
i think the fone thing will be like you put ur accoutn name and password into somwhere in the graal website and it gives u a number that will be valid for like 2 days and in that 2 days you have to fone up and pick the $15 or $39 using like press 2 now type thing then you type in the number you got off the website and your accoutn gets upgraded. how else are they gonna know what accoutn name it is unless it had extremly advanced voice regognition with soe of the dumb accoutns people have

Maybe there gonna hire someone to sit there all day and upgrade accounts for them.
I'm sure the pay would be good.

ZeroFXSM · #**379** 04-20-2002, 12:08 AM

a 70 people who pay graal.

is better then..

a 700 people who don't pay for graal.

the end.

Tyhm · #**380** 04-20-2002, 12:57 AM

Unixmad's announcement shocked me. When I joined the Classic LAT I knew I wouldn't be paid for it, and I wouldn't get a free subscription. But I thought at this point, that nobody else was getting money for my work.
Now things are different. I have to fear my play account being reset, since I can't pay. Of course some of you are saying "Hey, you can pay for your internet access, so you'll be able to pay for Graal, too."
Yes, but when my parents would read "GraalOnline Registration - $15" on the phone bill, they'd be very angry, and won't allow me playing this game anymore.
I'm working for Classic, and I have to pay for it?
I'm working for Classic, so other people can get money for it?
If they are taking money for it, I want something in return. At least a free subscription for my play account for the time being a LAT member.

An other problem are the "annoying" newbies. Yeah, I know they are sometimes annoying. When I'm using my LAT tag I get lots of questions like "Can you give me a house?", "I made a cool house, can you put it on the server?", "I deleted my GC prize, can you give it back to me?", "Why aren't you on the staff list?",...
It is a good thing that on Classic the LATs are not on the staff list,
else I'd get lots more of those messages...
But do you want to lock those newbies completly out of the game? When their account is lost each time they disconnect, they have to do the start quest on Classic lots of times. And I bet after the third time they wouldn't play this game online anymore.
And they can't even ask the FAQ or other players for help, since Unixmad's plan was to disable sending PMs from the players list for trial accounts.
Ok, you need money for running severs. And this way most of the current players will register and so you'll get a lot of money. But that was the last time you got money for registering. No newbies will register.

I have other ideas:
You should save the accounts of trial players, but you should limit the time they can be online to two hours the day. After this they'll be put in ghost mode.
To stop them sending mass PMs you could limit the number of PMs they can send (not counting response PMs) to two the minute.
They shouldn't be able to join guilds.

Perhaps this would work to get money without blocking the newbies and people who can't pay at the moment totally out of the game.

Com013, Member of the Classic LAT

Tyhm · #**381** 04-20-2002, 12:57 AM

Yeah, but then people would make 12 accounts and just switch between them every 2 hours.

Spanko · #**382** 04-20-2002, 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by ZeroFXSM
a 70 people who pay graal.

is better then..

a 700 people who don't pay for graal.

the end.

It's better for the players indeed, but it's worse for the business.

And to Com013:
I'm assuming that you'll probably get an account which won't get the trial mode in classic alone.

Psyker · #**383** 04-20-2002, 01:46 AM

ZeroFXSM · #**384** 04-20-2002, 02:39 AM

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Originally posted by Psyker

How the hell do you get pictures of fat people like that

its awesome!

Psyker · #**385** 04-20-2002, 02:43 AM

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Originally posted by ZeroFXSM

How the hell do you get pictures of fat people like that

its awesome!

it's pretty easy.

freddyfox · #**386** 04-20-2002, 02:57 AM

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Originally posted by Tyhm
Yes, but when my parents would read "GraalOnline Registration - $15" on the phone bill, they'd be very angry, and won't allow me playing this game anymore.

$15 bucks ain't that hard to earn. Get a job around the house, save up the money.

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Originally posted by Tyhm

I'm working for Classic, and I have to pay for it?
I'm working for Classic, so other people can get money for it?

Yeah. I'm the Kingdoms Admin, I get to review sub-kingdoms until my head is about ready to split open. And I still haven't gotten RC. And I get to pay for the ability to do that. It sucks, but that's life.

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Originally posted by Tyhm

But do you want to lock those newbies completly out of the game? When their account is lost each time they disconnect, they have to do the start quest on Classic lots of times.

So? They simply see that it looks good and all they need to do to see the rest of the world is pay a measly $15 and they're insured for the rest of their lives. It's not that difficult to shell out $15.

ZeroFXSM · #**387** 04-20-2002, 04:57 AM

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Originally posted by Psyker

it's pretty easy.

Tell me over aim, you changed it again

Shorty2Dope · #**388** 04-20-2002, 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by Tyhm

An other problem are the "annoying" newbies. Yeah, I know they are sometimes annoying. When I'm using my LAT tag I get lots of questions like "Can you give me a house?", "I made a cool house, can you put it on the server?", "I deleted my GC prize, can you give it back to me?", "Why aren't you on the staff list?",...
It is a good thing that on Classic the LATs are not on the staff list,
else I'd get lots more of those messages...

Com013, Member of the Classic LAT

Being a LAT does not have to do with you wearing a tag all day. You make levels and fix levels. Why do you need your tag to do that?

Maybe stefan should add an 'away' or 'busy' message for PMs. So when someone PMs you it will send them a message back or show your status.

Psyker · #**389** 04-20-2002, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by freddyfox
Yeah. I'm the Kingdoms Admin, I get to review sub-kingdoms until my head is about ready to split open. And I still haven't gotten RC. And I get to pay for the ability to do that. It sucks, but that's life.

Heh... we're in the same situation.

Neonight · #**390** 04-20-2002, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by Shorty2Dope

Being a LAT does not have to do with you wearing a tag all day. You make levels and fix levels. Why do you need your tag to do that?

Maybe stefan should add an 'away' or 'busy' message for PMs. So when someone PMs you it will send them a message back or show your status.

If I had an away tag on, and someone got auto-PMed back saying "I am currently away." when they were PMing me someting überimportant, I'd sure as hell be mad.

Otherwise, I agree. You shouldn't need a LAT tag on to work.

Griffyn · #**391** 04-21-2002, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Psyker

it's pretty easy.

pak0

Milkdude99 · #**392** 04-22-2002, 03:18 AM

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Originally posted by Neonight

If I had an away tag on, and someone got auto-PMed back saying "I am currently away." when they were PMing me someting überimportant, I'd sure as hell be mad.

Otherwise, I agree. You shouldn't need a LAT tag on to work.

I disagree , if you are working then your tag needs to be on , if you are not then get on your personal account , then you don't have to be bothered with the PMs. I don't know about your server you are working on but on Npulse they are only allowed to "work" on Staff accounts not play the game . that is not what Staff accounts are for. So if you are working you have to have your tag on otherwise you are on your personal player account .

Neonight · #**393** 04-22-2002, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
I disagree , if you are working then your tag needs to be on , if you are not then get on your personal account , then you don't have to be bothered with the PMs. I don't know about your server you are working on but on Npulse they are only allowed to "work" on Staff accounts not play the game . that is not what Staff accounts are for. So if you are working you have to have your tag on otherwise you are on your personal player account .

Hell, I'd suggest not even having the Graal client even on if you're going to make levels. If you have a crapload of RAM, then that's one thing. If you don't, then don't even bother trying to load 2 Graal clients at the same time. Most of our staff come on as RC accounts, and play on them because they can still warp to players if anyone ever needs it. Staff accounts are for RC--there's no use in giving some FAQ or NAT RC unless they seriously need it. It's just a waste of RC account. (npcserver) is one thing, since both programs are combined.

Milkdude99 · #**394** 04-23-2002, 03:35 AM

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Originally posted by Neonight

Hell, I'd suggest not even having the Graal client even on if you're going to make levels. If you have a crapload of RAM, then that's one thing. If you don't, then don't even bother trying to load 2 Graal clients at the same time. Most of our staff come on as RC accounts, and play on them because they can still warp to players if anyone ever needs it. Staff accounts are for RC--there's no use in giving some FAQ or NAT RC unless they seriously need it. It's just a waste of RC account. (npcserver) is one thing, since both programs are combined.

I agree with that , if you are making levels why even have Graal up?You only need to have Graal up (RC) when uploading said levels , having both up at the same time makes no sense and just drags down your comp ...Then too how do you take care of the players making levels?Players get ignored that way and creates ill feelings toward the server and not good for the server at all.As for RC , only Admins and GPs and the Chiefs have RC no one else does , ET, FAQ and even Lats have no purpose with RC , only the high Lats do because on Npulse only 5 PPL can upload to the server, Moon Goddess and I (Moon God) and the Lat Chief and asst Chief
and one Admin (Saga) who is over the LATs and FAQ that's it no one else has the rights to upload anything to the server and that is how it will stay...Too many ppl uploading only causes real headaches for the server and no one knows who is doing what..in this way I have described everything is done thru the Lat Chief with the help of his Admin and that's it , this way it keeps all organized to what is being done....

shavomombetto · #**395** 04-23-2002, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Well it's called Business and Graal whether you want to admit to it or not IS a Business and unless you OWN a part of it , then you won't have much or any say so in it , that's life and I hate to put it this way but get used to it , life is seldom fair.

without the players there would be no game, therefore, they should listen to the players and their needs

Kamaeru · #**396** 04-23-2002, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
I disagree , if you are working then your tag needs to be on , if you are not then get on your personal account , then you don't have to be bothered with the PMs. I don't know about your server you are working on but on Npulse they are only allowed to "work" on Staff accounts not play the game . that is not what Staff accounts are for. So if you are working you have to have your tag on otherwise you are on your personal player account .

some servers don't have rc/staff accounts for every single staff, so they use their normal - player - account and get tag made for that one...

toad1413 · #**397** 04-23-2002, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
I disagree , if you are working then your tag needs to be on , if you are not then get on your personal account , then you don't have to be bothered with the PMs. I don't know about your server you are working on but on Npulse they are only allowed to "work" on Staff accounts not play the game . that is not what Staff accounts are for. So if you are working you have to have your tag on otherwise you are on your personal player account .

Um, hate to break it to you, but people will pm you even if you are on your personal account.

Timpan3 · #**398** 04-23-2002, 08:15 PM

That would be a great excuse to ask your parents to buy a p2p, saying that you need 15 $ to pay for classic eitherway..
I got a p2p because i heard about this classic stuff..

TehFox · #**399** 04-24-2002, 03:53 AM

can you ask stefan to make it so we can setup our own servers and they will be up while we are online that would own but i doubt he would but still worth a try

ZeroFXSM · #**400** 04-24-2002, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by Timpan3
That would be a great excuse to ask your parents to buy a p2p, saying that you need 15 $ to pay for classic eitherway..
I got a p2p because i heard about this classic stuff..

No its not,

Because if your parents wouldn't upgrade your account for 40 dollars a year. Then they wouldn't upgrade it for 15 dollars a life.

Most parents don't like their children "wasting" time on online games. Its a known fact. And adults who can judge for my selves.. most adults don't "Play Graal"

heh?