Very important announcement

[DarkPyro_2001]

Originally posted by Warcaptain

well get over it, something has to keep these servers up, and unless you are gonna start paying 15,000k a month for T4's, shaddup.

15 MILLION DOLLARS!? HA HA HA HA!!

[DarkPyro_2001]

Originally posted by unixmad
Graal 2001 will be renamed. Your ideas on that will be welcome, we want something that will show new players that Graal 2001 is a big game Park - the first idea was to name it Graal Game Park, but I’m sure you can come up with something better!

I have a great idea for G2k1's new name: Graal New World.

[GrowlZP2P]

Personally I think this is a bad idea. I can see the plusses (only people who genuinely like Graal will play it, thus eliminating a large amount of the unproductive population) but I honestly can't see how this will help anything.

For example, as I'm signed on right now, there are 20 people on Graal p2p servers. There are 287 people on non-p2ps at the same time. Those servers will soon become cost-y, as outlined in Stefan's grand scheme. However, those people are NOT on those servers for the content (although that's kinda an added bonus). They're NOT on there out of loyalty to a certain PW either. Wanna know why they're on there?

Because it's free.

We will lose a sizable chunk of skilled Graal players who disapprove of this idea. Call them freeloaders, or people who don't contribute, or whatever the heck you like, but hundreds, perhaps even thousands of people who keep the free playerworlds up, yet don't want to pay, will quit. And if all the free playerworlds lose this many people, pretty soon, there will be just 20 people on there too.

... Then again, that's just my opinion. And if I'm entitled to mine, you're entitled to yours. Feel free to argue with it at great length.

[DarkPyro_2001]

Originally posted by GrowlZP2P
Personally I think this is a bad idea. I can see the plusses (only people who genuinely like Graal will play it, thus eliminating a large amount of the unproductive population) but I honestly can't see how this will help anything.

For example, as I'm signed on right now, there are 20 people on Graal p2p servers. There are 287 people on non-p2ps at the same time. Those servers will soon become cost-y, as outlined in Stefan's grand scheme. However, those people are NOT on those servers for the content (although that's kinda an added bonus). They're NOT on there out of loyalty to a certain PW either. Wanna know why they're on there?

Because it's free.

We will lose a sizable chunk of skilled Graal players who disapprove of this idea. Call them freeloaders, or people who don't contribute, or whatever the heck you like, but hundreds, perhaps even thousands of people who keep the free playerworlds up, yet don't want to pay, will quit. And if all the free playerworlds lose this many people, pretty soon, there will be just 20 people on there too.

... Then again, that's just my opinion. And if I'm entitled to mine, you're entitled to yours. Feel free to argue with it at great length.

For once, somebody understands me!

[Shorty2Dope]

Originally posted by GrowlZP2P
They're NOT on there out of loyalty to a certain PW either. Wanna know why they're on there?

Because it's free.

Freeloaders



They will find out later in life they can't have everything for free. When you go to a game store, do they hand out all the games for free? I think not. Learn to live with the fact, everything cost money.

[GrowlZP2P]

Originally posted by Shorty2Dope


Freeloaders

They will find out later in life they can't have everything for free. When you go to a game store, do they hand out all the games for free? I think not. Learn to live with the fact, everything cost money.

I'm aware of that, but if you walk into a game store, when you possess a perfectly functional game, do they prod you and say "Upgrade your game now for only $15 or all your save games will be gone and you won't be able to talk to anybody!"? Last I checked, no.

I know Graal has to make money... it is a company, not a charity, after all... but I believe it should be like we have at the moment, with the option to pay rather than the requirement.

[Shorty2Dope]

Originally posted by GrowlZP2P


I'm aware of that, but if you walk into a game store, when you possess a perfectly functional game, do they prod you and say "Upgrade your game now for only $15 or all your save games will be gone and you won't be able to talk to anybody!"? Last I checked, no.

I know Graal has to make money... it is a company, not a charity, after all... but I believe it should be like we have at the moment, with the option to pay rather than the requirement.

You pay 15 bucks to play the game and keep your data. If your gonna whine and be a freeloader and not pay, you lose your data and play trial mode.

They are giving everyone a 2 month warning and time to upgrade to p2p or upgrade to the $15 lifetime deal.

Many new things will be added including a new version. They most likely have staff there already working on this stuff.

[GrowlZP2P]

Originally posted by Shorty2Dope

You pay 15 bucks to play the game and keep your data.

Yeah, I got that.

If your gonna whine and be a freeloader and not pay, you lose your data and play trial mode.

And I got that too.

They are giving everyone a 2 month warning and time to upgrade to p2p or upgrade to the $15 lifetime deal.

And guess what? I got this too!

Many new things will be added including a new version. They most likely have staff there already working on this stuff.

And voice conferencing, your own space on the server, skins, yadda, etcetera.

In principle I agree with these ideas... Graal needs improvements, and if it needs more money to get 'em, then that's fine by me.

But hold on one second!

(Here is a long and probably provocative section. If you don't agree with it then that's okay; I don't make you accept my point of view.)

If Graal is switching its price policy, I'm assuming the old plan was not successful. And if introducing a system whereby you can't play most of the time was unpopular, then why do you think that might be? Not extreme enough? Personally, I think it was too extreme! Think about this for a second. Why might you not have upgraded? Because you resented there being more restrictions, instead of more features, to provide an incentive to pay for a game which up until then you could play free? When ghosting was announced there was literal outrage among free players. Now they've got used to it and it turned out to be not bad. But having everything you've done wiped at regular intervals? Don't you think this might get an even worse reaction?

(Provocative-ness ends.)

Note I assume the old plan was unsuccessful. If it was actually functional then I apologize. But, as the old saying goes, "If it ain't broke - don't fix it.".

Don't get me wrong, I like Graal, and personally will (probably) fork out the $15. (If you're wondering, this account was upgraded with a fake CC. No, I did not know this at the time. I believed I was getting a legitimate subscription to a fun game. The first I heard of it was when I woke up one Sunday, went down to play Graal and found my account was disabled.) But on behalf of those who won't, I don't believe they should be forced to.

[DarkPyro_2001]

Eh.. maybe I can get my account upgraded for my birthday.

[DragonX2]

I think more people will upgrade instead of quit because remember you can use the phone to upgrade and most people would rather use a phone than use a cc they do not have.

[GrowlZP2P]

Originally posted by DragonX2
I think more people will upgrade instead of quit because remember you can use the phone to upgrade and most people would rather use a phone than use a cc they do not have.

I don't know about that. I know a lot of people who view upgrading as a kind of surrender. =P

[SaijinGohan]

This whole post is argueing back and forth over the same thing, if you actually sit down and read it all you notice the same thing is repeated repeatedly by different players.

[Spanko]

Originally posted by SaijinGohan
This whole post is argueing back and forth over the same thing, if you actually sit down and read it all you notice the same thing is repeated repeatedly by different players.

Most people don't read it completely, so the same thing get's said again, getting around the same replies from other people who only read the last page of the thread. Which is probably why the repetition has set in.

[Psyker]

Originally posted by Psyker
People are too used to Graal being free.

[Tyhm]

Hey kids, guess what! Having seven thousand loyal players on a free server is NOT, in fact, a good thing! Having seventy paying customers is actually MORE PROFITABLE! Gasp! Zooks!