Illegal or not?

[royce]

SL has this on the floor.

[royce]

And number 2 with Chris here currently iin/oon SsLL.

[Torankusu]

level name?

[fugitive316]

That effect is produced by using an NPC. it has nothing to do with pics1.png or adding more tiles. Therefore I believe it is not illegal.


TILEZ IS NICE BUT SERVAR BLOWS@@#@

[Torankusu]

It's a ton of NPCs, but I'm not allowing it.

[Crono Illusion]

Originally posted by Torankusu
It's a ton of NPCs, but I'm not allowing it.

seconded.

[Faheria_GP2]

Toran, dont be a dumbshit, the NATs at shaded legends are pretty skilled, so it's probably just one NPC controlling the tiles, as in like, a giant for-loop scanning every tile to see if it is "X" tile, and if so, putting a showimg over it

which ISN'T illegal in any way

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Faheria_GP2
Toran, dont be a dumbshit, the NATs at shaded legends are pretty skilled, so it's probably just one NPC controlling the tiles, as in like, a giant for-loop scanning every tile to see if it is "X" tile, and if so, putting a showimg over it

which ISN'T illegal in any way

Uh, it's a seperate NPC. Want to see the level?

[Essenity]

That level is not how the tiles were layed...

[Essenity]

Thats how the tiles were layed. tiledef was not used, and I feel its a bit unfair having to take the script down. With the exception that the image itself was from Graal2001 (which I wasnt aware of until today) and coould be replaced.

// NPC by Sky (Rawr)

if (created||playerenters) {
noplayerkilling;
this.b = 1;
for (this.x = 0; this.x <= 64; this.x++) {
for (this.y = 0; this.y <= 64; this.y++) {
checktile();
if (this.test = 1) {
showimg this.b,tiles_applefloor.png,this.x,this.y;
changeimgvis this.b,0;
this.b++;
}
}
}
}

function checktile() {
this.test = 0;
this.getb = board[this.x+64*this.y];
this.getbx = this.getb % 16;
this.getby = int(this.getb / 16);
if (this.getbx==0 && this.getby==110)
this.test = 1;
}

[Essenity]

Next theyll ban us from using NPCs all together. And only allowed to have the playerdir facing down. And only allowed to use 3 tiles from pics1.png

Oh and while your at it make it a rule all servers must give out free hearts as soon as you log on! Thatll make things ALL BETTER.

*hate for Graal grows by the minute*

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Essenity
Thats how the tiles were layed. tiledef was not used, and I feel its a bit unfair having to take the script down. With the exception that the image itself was from Graal2001 (which I wasnt aware of until today) and coould be replaced.

// NPC by Sky (Rawr)

if (created||playerenters) {
noplayerkilling;
this.b = 1;
for (this.x = 0; this.x <= 64; this.x++) {
for (this.y = 0; this.y <= 64; this.y++) {
checktile();
if (this.test = 1) {
showimg this.b,tiles_applefloor.png,this.x,this.y;
changeimgvis this.b,0;
this.b++;
}
}
}
}

function checktile() {
this.test = 0;
this.getb = board[this.x+64*this.y];
this.getbx = this.getb % 16;
this.getby = int(this.getb / 16);
if (this.getbx==0 && this.getby==110)
this.test = 1;
}

Okay, so, with that script, even though it is 'laggy and not near as nice as p2p's', people can make their own tiles and use them on free playerworlds. It's one less feature for P2P. It's not fair.

[Essenity]

p2p's are still 10x nicer =\

your not really LOSING a feature on p2p

I mean if it was an exact replica of p2p's, and it wasnt buggy, glichy and hella laggy then yea I would understand. But its not, its a sad attempt at making the best out of what you leave us with.

I mean, it sucks as it is not having ALOT of the features p2p has, taking what you leave us with away sucks. We're not using any p2p commands.. I just dont think its fair. Theres nothing I can do, your in charge, but I still just dont think its right. What more can I say? =\

[Faheria_GP2]

Originally posted by Torankusu
Okay, so, with that script, even though it is 'laggy and not near as nice as p2p's', people can make their own tiles and use them on free playerworlds. It's one less feature for P2P. It's not fair.

the fact is, that it should be allowed, because it simply has been done on certain servers (not any online that I know of) before the command was even added, and now, because this command by fate was added, I am going to have to go back and make my goddamn server P2P, which means i'll get like ****ing 1 people online! I worked damn hard to design a new tileset and incorporate it into graal BEFORE any addtiledef stuff even EXSISTED, i did not know that 2 months later, a command for this would be created, much less that it would be P2P.

PS: the lag's not that bad unless your on something less than a pentium IV or your doing the tiling effect server-side

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Faheria_GP2


the fact is, that it should be allowed, because it simply has been done on certain servers (not any online that I know of)

Would you like to know the reasonings behind that?

Insulting and arguing isn't going to do anything. It's been stated, so don't get out of hand.

[Faheria_GP2]

Originally posted by Torankusu
Would you like to know the reasonings behind that?

Insulting and arguing isn't going to do anything. It's been stated, so don't get out of hand.

what I'm saying is it's like getting rid of the old showimg king/queen hat on classic, merely because G2K1 now has hats

[DeathChill]

er it is an original script so I think it should be allowed..It's a loophole and those are nice and legal + it's not using any of the commands that are banned..The commands are banned not the effects

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by DeathChill
er it is an original script so I think it should be allowed..It's a loophole and those are nice and legal + it's not using any of the commands that are banned..The commands are banned not the effects

So, if I found everyone's account passwords through a bug(loophole, basically) at the site, I could destroy the accounts completely? After all, it's nice and legal + it's not hacking.

Example: I refresh twenty times and it shows every account and password, etc etc. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

[Faheria_GP2]

you would be banned from graal for violating the TOS, which basically says "we can ban you for whatever **** we please"

[DeathChill]

Originally posted by Torankusu
So, if I found everyone's account passwords through a bug(loophole, basically) at the site, I could destroy the accounts completely? After all, it's nice and legal + it's not hacking.

Example: I refresh twenty times and it shows every account and password, etc etc. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

Nope nope you could be banned because you're illegally accessing the accounts which you do not own, nothing illegal is really going on here ;p
But it's a g2k1 graphic so bust down on them for that and that's all :P

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Faheria_GP2
you would be banned from graal for violating the TOS, which basically says "we can ban you for whatever **** we please"

That isn't really a violation, considering it's not a specific rule targetting the recieval of passwords, unless used by trojans or virii.

Who are you to determine the punishment anyway?

This is just like the light effects thing. If people were allowed to do this, we'd have to allow them to take screenshots of light effects or whatever (in offline mode on the level) and let them use them as an image online.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by DeathChill

Nope nope you could be banned because you're illegally accessing the accounts which you do not own, nothing illegal is really going on here ;p
But it's a g2k1 graphic so bust down on them for that and that's all :P

Even if it was accidental? I mean, It's not like I am hacking or anything. It's just a loophole of a mistake in the staff's part. Etc etc. Just like this damn tile issue.

[Essenity]

A screen shot of a lighting effect is useless. Completely useless.

To add to that, its also cheating to get use of a command that didnt exist before.

[Essenity]

You cant event begin to compare that with what we did.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Essenity
You cant event begin to compare that with what we did.

Or, you cannot begin to compare it.

It was simply screenshot and alteration. It would allow everyone to just screenshot and alter things (script wise) so that they could use it on their free playerworlds.

The light effect example is a fine example, by the way.

Case closed.

[Essenity]

Thats like compairing pety theft to murder -_-'

Case not closed, its just begun.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Essenity
Thats like compairing pety theft to murder -_-'

Case not closed, its just begun.

Actually, crono has chosen to not allow it. Case closed.

Ask Stefan, if you can get ahold of him. I am sure he'll be real fond of the idea that you used graal2001 tiles as "your custom tiles."

[Faheria_GP2]

Originally posted by Torankusu
Actually, crono has chosen to not allow it. Case closed.

Ask Stefan, if you can get ahold of him. I am sure he'll be real fond of the idea that you used graal2001 tiles as "your custom tiles."

these are g2k1 tiles? well, I suppose that changes things

it's not like I play that crap anyways :o

[royce]

Originally posted by Torankusu
Actually, crono has chosen to not allow it. Case closed.

Ask Stefan, if you can get ahold of him. I am sure he'll be real fond of the idea that you used graal2001 tiles as "your custom tiles."

Yah Go Toran! Think I can be a pw checker that is not really on the team but constantly is checking non-p2p playerworlds of illegal stuff?If not then :grrr: .Lol. Anyways, the pw team needs to buckle down and re-inforce these rules for non-p2p a little more strictly. For example, no matter what you you can do it without tiledef2 should not be allowed at all. Etc. Not the greatest example but I hope you get the picture.

[Slaktmaster]

Why shouldn't free server be allowed to make smart solutions?

First of all, that floor script is very laggy. It doesn't use the addtiledef commands. The addtiledef commands are the commands that are illegal. Not showing images on top of the floor.

Second of all, the Non-P2P "lights". Of course they should be allowed as well! They don't light up the dark like real lights, it's just an image, so I don't see whats wrong with it...

[James205]

All I have to say is oh my gosh. The original script that is illegal is not the one we used so how can it not be allowed? it's the same difference as the attachment in this post, all you need is brains to make it look like something else. The screenshot looks something like a light effect? Nope it's a simple image that you can walk over so let me guess this shouldn't be allowed to? Just because it looks like p2p stuff? This is the most stupidest thing I have heard in a long time, and by god if this is not allowed I am simply going to go crazy. How can you not let Shaded Legends use this? i just dont get it anymore.

[fugitive316]

They will be punished for being smart

[Darlene159]

wow, I didnt realize that we couldnt make something look like something on a pay server, I will have to remember that...This is just one other way to get rid of free servers, which is what they are doing, its sad really

Moon Goddess (N-Pulse Co-Owner)

[TDO2000]

Showimg or imeages not using effetcs or illegal commands => legal

if stupid wannabe PW Checker says "Bad looks like P2P take it down not allowed" I do not really care about this but laugh about his stupidity...

[Darlene159]

yes, but we have to take it down or else

[TDO2000]

Just use another Pic for this not G2K1 GFX... if they want to take it down then they are just very stupid (and I don't really think mr Stefan is that silly to take it down for nothing illegal) k? ^_^

[DeathChill]

Yup you are allowed to put things on the floor and no one can really stop you considering you're not using the command + it's not actually replacing the tile which is what addtiledef and this thing doesn't do that o.O

[GregoryYoshi]

I think this complaint over something being emulated is a little ridiculous. Even though I do not like free servers they are good for drawing players in.

[Darlene159]

I do not feel the free servers should be done away with, not everyone can afford to pay, though its not that expensive, it is if you have to count every penny, and are robbing peter to pay paul to begin with, it would be sad for those who cannot play anymore just because they cant afford it

[GregoryYoshi]

Originally posted by Darlene159
I do not feel the free servers should be done away with, not everyone can afford to pay, though its not that expensive, it is if you have to count every penny, and are robbing peter to pay paul to begin with, it would be sad for those who cannot play anymore just because they cant afford it

It's approximately $3.25 a month...maybe it would be better if we paid by month instead of one lump sum? I wouldn't mind....then I don't have to allocate so much money since it could become more like an ISP bill I'd just have to trust unixmad and Stefan with my CC#...but I feel that I can trust them anyway since I've not been scammed out of any money