Should P2P playerworld owners be.. paid? - Page 2

NotoriousBLT · #41 01-17-2002, 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by konidias

Yeah that sounds like a good idea also.

Yes this came to mind because I'm making a playerworld.. I enjoy making it, and I would love to get it up and have people enjoy playing it, but at the same time, I am devoting so much of my time to this project, and I would assume it will make more money for their company.. I would only think it fair if they think it's great enough to put online in their game, then it's good enough for them to share the wealth.

Yea but if this idea came into play people wouldn't be making Playerworlds because they want to or because they like it...they would be making a PW simply to get paid. There would be like 100 servers on the list...

DeathChill · #42 01-17-2002, 11:18 PM

But I have a question..Why not get a real job instead of expecting to be paid from a game for making something for it when they didn't ask? ;x
Loriel's idea could work though but I don't see Stefan paying people to make PW's..Stefan could take down all the PW's and lose maybe 10-20 customers or they'd just all go to 2001.

konidias · #43 01-17-2002, 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by DeathChill

Ok so lets let graal be full of hacked accounts,unchangeable passwords,etc all thanks to no global staff!WOO!Also lets have no defined rules for staff does and don'ts without any global staff!HUZZAH!

Anywho Konidias not even PW's that have a lot of neat stuff will get people to upgrade.It's things like graal2001,2002 that get people to upgrade but people may find a home on one of the p2p ones it's not really the reason they upgraded, but any upgrading is good upgrading.

Or we can have people like contego, and I'm sure you will be next, that make up the STUPIDEST F-ING rules for everyone to follow such as having to go through THEM to get staff fired on your server.

I don't see how some guy like you is supposed to tell me how I am to run my playerworld. You're the laziest most self-centered person I have come to know on here.. and yes, I know you kissed some major a** to get your positions.. it's obvious from the lack of any work you did on 2k1 yet someone you manage to climb up the ladder with NOTHING to show.

konidias · #44 01-17-2002, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by NotoriousBLT

Yea but if this idea came into play people wouldn't be making Playerworlds because they want to or because they like it...they would be making a PW simply to get paid. There would be like 100 servers on the list...

FOR THE LAST TIME X___X

The playerworld would have to be EXCELLENT to get accepted.. not 100 crappy unfinished playerworlds getting paid hundreds of dollars to have their staff sit online.. jesus..

NotoriousBLT · #45 01-17-2002, 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by konidias

Or we can have people like contego, and I'm sure you will be next, that make up the STUPIDEST F-ING rules for everyone to follow such as having to go through THEM to get staff fired on your server.

I don't see how some guy like you is supposed to tell me how I am to run my playerworld. You're the laziest most self-centered person I have come to know on here.. and yes, I know you kissed some major a** to get your positions.. it's obvious from the lack of any work you did on 2k1 yet someone you manage to climb up the ladder with NOTHING to show.

You ****ing make me mad, I know him in RL he didn't kiss ass like 98% of G2k1 LAT out there. He became ART on Classc then moved do GP, like Juno said he was the best damn GP he had. So he moved to Senior Captain and James205 picked him for AM. If you have a problem with that talk to Juno or James205. You remind me of a spoiled little ****. Trying to bring this idea into play because you're making a PW. Devoting your time? haha well that's your choice for making a PW. And doesn't it cost money for Stefan to run those servers? On a european server or soemthing? Maybe it is the PW owners who should be paying Stefan.

konidias · #46 01-17-2002, 11:24 PM

Raven Chill.. I already posted that the server cost would be calculated into the payment..

Please explain to me then how, because he was a good GP on classic, he has the right to make any rule on any playerworld? I dislike the idea of global admins.. no admin can be on every server at once, and if they aren't its obvious they wouldn't know how to run every one of them and what is going on where.

NotoriousBLT · #47 01-17-2002, 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by konidias
Raven Chill.. I already posted that the server cost would be calculated into the payment..

Please explain to me then how, because he was a good GP on classic, he has the right to make any rule on any playerworld? I dislike the idea of global admins.. no admin can be on every server at once, and if they aren't its obvious they wouldn't know how to run every one of them and what is going on where.

If you don't like it talk to someone else, you KNOW if you were picked for Global Admin you'd take the job in a second. He did an excellent job as GP..to move up as fast as he did on Classic you have to do a wicked job. It isn't like Graal2001 where anybody can get hired. And I'm sure like DeathChill I have to leave now for school.

konidias · #48 01-17-2002, 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by NotoriousBLT

If you don't like it talk to someone else, you KNOW if you were picked for Global Admin you'd take the job in a second. He did an excellent job as GP..to move up as fast as he did on Classic you have to do a wicked job. It isn't like Graal2001 where anybody can get hired. And I'm sure like DeathChill I have to leave now for school.

If I was picked for Global Admin I would turn it down.

Don't assume things about me because it seems you don't know much about me to make such assumptions. I quit 2k1 staff, I was admin there, you don't see me wanting global admin because it's a stupid position, ever since contego started making the stupid rules I made up my mind that it was a stupid position. Contego is a really good friend of mine back when we played on classic together, but I mean, the power of being "global" goes right to the top of your head.

Psyker · #49 01-17-2002, 11:39 PM

hmm... vermain's right, but if stefan and unixmad do this correctly, it might work.
but, i'd have a lot of work to do

AlkarenHyralt · #50 01-17-2002, 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by NotoriousBLT

If you don't like it talk to someone else, you KNOW if you were picked for Global Admin you'd take the job in a second. He did an excellent job as GP..to move up as fast as he did on Classic you have to do a wicked job. It isn't like Graal2001 where anybody can get hired. And I'm sure like DeathChill I have to leave now for school.

If I was a global admin and I was offered the chance to run the forums, I would quit it without a second thought. Same thing with me being police chief, I would quit in a heartbeat, without regret, because I only want to help run the forums, and nothing else.

cds96 · #51 01-18-2002, 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt

If I was a global admin and I was offered the chance to run the forums, I would quit it without a second thought. Same thing with me being police chief, I would quit in a heartbeat, without regret, because I only want to help run the forums, and nothing else.

you should be a mod, never know, you might be the one replacing zulthie

AlkarenHyralt · #52 01-18-2002, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by cds96
you should be a mod, never know, you might be the one replacing zulthie

Anything is possible. But as a mod, I still wouldn't have the tools I would need to do what I want.

Slaktmaster · #53 01-18-2002, 12:21 AM

I really think I should be the supermod of these forums because of no specific reason.

Saga2001 · #54 01-18-2002, 12:55 AM

They should not be paid, some P2P server owners do not do their jobs, and than that might cause stefan to have problems with them and fire them, i don't think that would be any good.,...

konidias · #55 01-18-2002, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by Saga2001
They should not be paid, some P2P server owners do not do their jobs, and than that might cause stefan to have problems with them and fire them, i don't think that would be any good.,...

Think about what you just said.. if they aren't doing their jobs then the playerworld SHOULD NOT BE UP.

Nishoku · #56 01-18-2002, 01:12 AM

They shouldn't be paid, because stefan coded graal.. not p2p server owners. They are playing on his property, their playerworld is even their property, people submit playerworlds so they can have fun running it but in most cases it turns out negative.

konidias · #57 01-18-2002, 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by Nishoku
They shouldn't be paid, because stefan coded graal.. not p2p server owners. They are playing on his property, their playerworld is even their property, people submit playerworlds so they can have fun running it but in most cases it turns out negative.

It seems that most people submit playerworlds just to get them online.. they don't do anything with them after they get up... they just talk about how they are doing stuff, but you never see it.

I mean look at all the current P2P servers besides 2k1 and the UC servers.. they have like 1-5 people on it a day, and those don't stay but for 5 minutes.

I think the people that voted no basically misunderstood the question.. or didn't take the time to read it, because I can't find any reason why it wouldn't be good.. I have given valid reasons to all the people saying they shouldn't be paid.

I mean, you can't think about it in the current state of playerworlds.. because the current state isn't good.. it's the future state of playerworlds that this should be aimed for.. if the playerworld stinks... take it down for crying out loud.

Vyse_the_Blue_Rogue · #58 01-18-2002, 01:25 AM

I like the idea
people should get paid
Maybe then Providence could be fun
last time I went on Providence you still couldnt donate to the store...

Admins · #59 01-18-2002, 01:44 AM

Um That idea sounds more like a joke

1. What money? 2. Major Corruptness
Yes it is a lot of work to make a playerworld,
but you underestimate the costs of running
a game.

konidias · #60 01-18-2002, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by Stefan
Um That idea sounds more like a joke
1. What money? 2. Major Corruptness

You make no profit from Graal?
Have you seen most of the playerworlds lately? They are complete trash.. no wonder you're profits are low.. if playerworlds actually attracted customers, maybe you could make enough profit to pay the owners?

Admins · #61 01-18-2002, 01:49 AM

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Originally posted by konidias

You make no profit from Graal?
Have you seen most of the playerworlds lately? They are complete trash.. no wonder you're profits are low.. if playerworlds actually attracted customers, maybe you could make enough profit to pay the owners?

You think they would get better if
the owners get some $ for it each month?
It will only make people greedy and not
doing any free scripting or so when they
get no money and stuff, that's not really
the way it can work. See the thousands of
people who do levels and scripts for
halflife stuff, doing professional work and
still get no money.

konidias · #62 01-18-2002, 01:52 AM

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Originally posted by Stefan

You think they would get better if
the owners get some $ for it each month?
It will only make people greedy and not
doing any free scripting or so when they
get no money and stuff, that's not really
the way it can work. See the thousands of
people who do levels and scripts for
halflife stuff, doing professional work and
still get no money.

But look at mods like counter-strike.. they are raking in lots of money from their modification of a game they did not make.

I know if I got paid I would be devoting a lot more time into my stuff.. so you prefer quantity over quality? Sure people will make good stuff for free, but only for so long.. just like most of the lat that were hired on 2k1.. they show good work to get hired.. then get unmotivated and don't do anything..

also, you really should check out the playerworlds.. I don't see how most of them manage to stay online, and there are getting to be so many it's hard to dig out the good from the bad.

cds96 · #63 01-18-2002, 02:00 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
I know if I got paid I would be devoting a lot more time into my stuff.. so you prefer quantity over quality? Sure people will make good stuff for free, but only for so long.. just like most of the lat that were hired on 2k1.. they show good work to get hired.. then get unmotivated and don't do anything..

So you wouldnt throw a benny like you did last time? But only if you got paid?

konidias · #64 01-18-2002, 02:02 AM

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Originally posted by cds96
So you wouldnt throw a benny like you did last time? But only if you got paid?

I don't see why people have to be so just and true about things, when in reality, I'm sure anyone wouldn't mind getting paid for what they do.

I mean come on, isn't Graal by the players for the players? Without any of these people working hard making playerworlds and helping out 2k1, classic, and 2k2, Graal would be nowhere near where it is today.. So much has been made by the players.. so many people have worked hard.. now Stefan makes money from it, but all the hard working people get nothing?

konidias · #65 01-18-2002, 02:10 AM

If roughly 1000 p2p accounts are created and are paid for a full year, thats 30000 a year all together.. not to mention the fact that the prices will soon be raised and more people join each year... Why are the prices being raised? For the CRAP playerworlds online, with the total of 2 whole people on them? There's like 7 playerworlds that have more players then 2k1 now.. tell me how the playerworlds aren't bringing in players.

Sure there is server cost, but seriously, 30000 a year covers payment on a house and a family of 2-3, and a car. Please explain to me how you can't afford to pay the playerworld owners that have GOOD pw's

cds96 · #66 01-18-2002, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by konidias

I don't see why people have to be so just and true about things, when in reality, I'm sure anyone wouldn't mind getting paid for what they do.

I mean come on, isn't Graal by the players for the players? Without any of these people working hard making playerworlds and helping out 2k1, classic, and 2k2, Graal would be nowhere near where it is today.. So much has been made by the players.. so many people have worked hard.. now Stefan makes money from it, but all the hard working people get nothing?

well how much does it cost to buy the servers to host the playerworlds? i assume its not cheap, so they give you a place to host your work for free and you want them to pay you for letting you use their space?

konidias · #67 01-18-2002, 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by cds96
well how much does it cost to buy the servers to host the playerworlds? i assume its not cheap, so they give you a place to host your work for free and you want them to pay you for letting you use their space?

It isn't for free.. they are profiting because of your work.

Servers don't cost 30000 a year, unless you're getting seriously ripped off.. I could get a T3 line to my house for about 5 or 6 new account upgrade profits a month.

Admins · #68 01-18-2002, 02:17 AM

Konidias servers are that expensive.
Besides running the servers you will also need
to buy computers and hardware from time to time,
pay tons of taxes, pay salaries, pay the office etc.
This is not the right place to discuss such things.

konidias · #69 01-18-2002, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by Stefan
Konidias servers are that expensive.
Besides running the servers you will also need
to buy computers and hardware from time to time,
pay tons of taxes, pay salaries, pay the office etc.
This is not the right place to discuss such things.

Okay, well I wish you would at least ponder the idea.. instead of laughing at it like I'm trying to be funny.

I think it's a very good idea, and if you're raising p2p prices, it would be a good idea to start paying owners or staff or something.

You can delete this whenever you're done reading it then.

Kasuagi · #70 01-18-2002, 03:54 AM

you should look at Graal as a hobby, just that

AlkarenHyralt · #71 01-18-2002, 04:10 AM

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Originally posted by konidias

Okay, well I wish you would at least ponder the idea.. instead of laughing at it like I'm trying to be funny.

I think it's a very good idea, and if you're raising p2p prices, it would be a good idea to start paying owners or staff or something.

You can delete this whenever you're done reading it then.

It's a nice idea, as I said but you must take into account expensives first.

-You have expenses for the office that is usually leased.
-Taxes
-Servers
-Matiance
-Bandwidth/internet conenction
-The servers themselves
-Hosting
-Salaries for the people who work there
-Electricity, maybe
-Phone lines.
-The cost of buying computers and software to use
-The cost of buying licenses for the software

It's a lot of money all together.

sac · #72 01-18-2002, 04:13 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
I know this might belong in playerworld forum, but I want to get everyones general opinion on it..

Well do you think P2P playerworld owners should be paid? I mean, perhaps a percentage or something depending on the average ammount of players on their playerworld for the month.. say, a tally could be kept.. so for example, if the playerworld does okay for one month, then the total money earned is calculated, and added to their "bank" when the money gets to a certain sum, cyberjouer(sp) could send a check to the owner. (maybe require an age limit or something)

I think this would do wonders for the playerworlds, it would also be more professional, and you have to think, if these P2P playerworlds are getting a lot of people on them, they must be getting a lot of new P2P accounts made for them (or re-upgraded for them) as well.

The more people they get, the more they get paid, so that the owners will actually put lots of effort into making their server enjoyable and trying to get people to upgrade or come play on their server (meaning more business for stefan)

To prevent cheating, the playerworlds could easily be monitored to see if there are like, a bunch of staff idling on it all day, or a bunch of fake npc servers or something..

no bc then the *** pws like npulse and UN will be rich and stuff and stefan is too cheap to pay bye

Torankusu · #73 01-18-2002, 04:14 AM

No, I don't think so.

Graal2001 is economy/money based, so lets not drag it into real life (with the players making money.) I don't see how they are actually bringing in the money, because they have almost no more than 10 different people on a week.

Xythar · #74 01-18-2002, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by Gspeed2000
I have a mixed view on it because I really wish I could get paid for working on Graal but I guess that won't be possible unless I moved to France

YUO CAN MOEV TO FRENCE WIT TEH MONIES YUO MAEK OF GRWLS

Torankusu · #75 01-18-2002, 04:37 AM

you are on hiatus.

Griffyn · #76 01-18-2002, 04:41 AM

ha ha...greed, its spreading

Sir_Gareth · #77 01-18-2002, 04:41 AM

NO

Because another staff memebr other than the ownee could do all the work and the ownerr could sit on there @$$ all day and rake in the dough.

MrSmiles · #78 01-18-2002, 05:32 AM

Only pay to player servers as they are the ones people are paying for... and seeing as though all of the p2p servers currently up are absolute crap, they would get like 1 cent per month. But sure when my server comes up hopefully I will get a better turn out of players.

-MrSmiles

*Koni I must speak with you!*

Nishoku · #79 01-18-2002, 05:34 AM

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Originally posted by Stefan

You think they would get better if
the owners get some $ for it each month?
It will only make people greedy and not
doing any free scripting or so when they
get no money and stuff, that's not really
the way it can work. See the thousands of
people who do levels and scripts for
halflife stuff, doing professional work and
still get no money.

We're doing the work for you Stefan.
All of us could get together and prob
program our own Game and each get
a little share of monies.

ArchOwl · #80 01-18-2002, 05:36 AM

maybe you could pay them like 10$ to get paid for your pw like cafepress guy

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