Should P2P playerworld owners be.. paid?

[BlKnight]

Yeah, I agree completely. Graal would have a huge boost of buisness, we would work ALOT harder, and there would be more high quality PWs.

I guess Stefan doesn't see yet that it costs money to make money, if he wants to make money they are going to need to loose a bit first. But, in the long run, they will make tons of money.

Plus, we would advertise graal on our PW websites, and get it on online games list, gamespot, all those kinds of things once its good enough. Graal would become huge eventually...

[OutlawP2P]

Originally posted by Xythar
Val is UC, but I'm pretty sure it will be P2P. If you've been to there, the makers should be fined, not paid.

too true

[LiquidIce00]

Originally posted by konidias
Unixmad is super rich.. he invests money in games other then graal.. Nexus for example.. here is some evidence

http://www.legende.net/presskit/press5.html

Go to internic and check the registry from graal2001.com
its hosted by legende.net

Name Server: NEXUS.LEGENDE.NET
Name Server: LICH.LEGENDE.NET

see

[Funkee]

pay them a bit k *makes p2p server LOL*

[kaddar]

This was in theory a good idea when it was told to drakaden that he would get paid and move to france for helping with g2k1, as far as I know, he did tons of work on graal2k1... but they never paid him, so I doubt they would pay you. Of course, drakaden probably never got a very good contract for his working remote, we don't know the details of that.


Valikorlia is not going to be p2p, that is their goal, to not be p2p.


I think a lot of the fun of hosting a server is gone due to the fact that servers are no longer small player servers hosted by one person on a remote account nobody knows about. Things were a lot less stressful back then, competition was very fierce, and nobody felt like server hosting was a "job" instead of "fun".

Back when I used to be an admin on valikorlia, and even before p2p on valikorlia when I was working there with over 100 people on the server, I felt like valikorlia was SLAVE WORK, that we could never get anything done effeciently, and that everyone complained.

There was even one time when someone came on as a FAQ admin from main graal and got on the staff list, of course we are isolated from main graal so we never know about FAQ so I almost banned him.

[Fate]

I could use some easy money.. I put a lot of effort into doing my job well at Andor.

[Fate]

Originally posted by BlKnight
Yeah, I agree completely. Graal would have a huge boost of buisness, we would work ALOT harder, and there would be more high quality PWs.

I completely agree with that. If I was getting PAID to do work on Andor, I would be wanting to learn more and do so!

[BocoC]

I dun think it is a good idea. I really personally don't see Cyberjoueurs making a lot of money off of graal. I mean, they only charge about $2.50 a month for p2p! Most other online games charge $10 to $15 or even more. I do not see how Cyberjoueurs could be making enough money to pay p2p server owners.

[Fate]

Originally posted by BocoC
I dun think it is a good idea. I really personally don't see Cyberjoueurs making a lot of money off of graal. I mean, they only charge about $2.50 a month for p2p! Most other online games charge $10 to $15 or even more. I do not see how Cyberjoueurs could be making enough money to pay p2p server owners.

That's a good point you have Boco.. Well, it was a good thought!

[Jinx]

This wont work. If it did work it would get really complicated.

For example, if I make a p2p playerworld and it goes up, I would have a bunch of lower staff(GPs, LATs, etc). I would be plenty motivated to keep my PW going nicely because I'd be getting paid. But what motivation would the LATs and GPs have? The LATs would soon relize that they make great levels for me, the owner, I put them up, and then I get paid for them.

LAT teams would start going on strike until finally I lowered myself to pay them a percentage of my 'pay check'. But then I'd have to get everyone's address, send it off, and with the amount of LATs some p2p server's have the shipping cost of each amount would cost more than the actual amount the LAT is getting.

Then the GATs and NATs would relize the same thing.

Pretty soon the GPs are making a list of all the people they've helped and hackers they've caught over the week and demand a percentage of my pay for each person on that list.

Then what if the owner and co owner are on the same? And the GM too? Would they split up the paycheck 3 ways? And Stefan probibly hasn't gotten filthy rich off of graal, $2 per month.

So lets say then that the Owner is on a little, but does enough work to keep the server updated, the Co Owner is on a little more than the Owner and does a little more work, and the GM is on a and does a little more work than the Co Owner. Who would get the pay in this situation? The Owner would argue that he's on enough, and does enough work and is still considered the Owner of the server. The Co Owner would say that he's on more and does more work, same with GM. Things would get confusing.

So then if they did split up the paycheck 3 ways to get all 3 of those hard working people, lets say the paycheck was $10(It really couldn't be more could it? It only costs $2 a month to play...). It is split up 3 ways, and Owner, Co Owner, and GM all get $3.33. Then they each have to give up a dollar for the server's 5 LATs. Therefor each LAT gets 60 cents.
Then the LAT Admin would demand more than the LATs, so there goes another dollar from the Owner's Total.

Then the GATs, NATs, FAQs, GPs...even the Admins...

Pretty soon each person is getting 30 cents per paycheck.
And shipping in the U.S. is 33 cents.....but not all staff members on a PW are all in the US, it would cost more for shipping to send to those members in the UK and Canada...

I like the idea that p2p PW owner's get paid, but I think there would just be too much to work out, things would get too confusing.

-Jinx

[kaddar]

Actually, when we were going p2p, I recall stefan mentioning the possibility of valikorlia owners getting paid, but he said he wasn't ready for that yet.

So stefan, why is it that you were so optimistic then, but now you're calling it a joke? It's quite an extreme. I could understand saying that "it would no longer work" but calling something a joke is to the extreme that you have never thought it would work.

Am I missing something?

[konidias]

If the person paid 30 dollars for a year, and 300 of those accounts were made, that would be a lot of money.. not "2 dollars a month"

The way you say it, you make it sound like stefan gets "2 dollars a month" Look at the number of people registered to this forum.. that will give you and idea of how many p2p accounts have been made "roughly" (minus the accounts that are pw staff and other staff)

That is a lot of money... Anyway.. WILL SOMEONE DELETE THIS BIG TOPIC :/

[Sym2001]

Okay, for 1. This whole thread is pointless.

Stefan nor Unixmad would never pay "ANYONE" for Playerworlds. For 1, all there money goes towards hosting, and bandwith. Do you know how much Bandwith costs these days? Im very sure they purchase alot of it for us Americans and Canadians to play graal with a fair connection speed.

Not only that, Stefan spends alot of time at Cyber Joureur working on Graal, making new C++ scripts to make the game better, working on future projects, dealing with all of us that email him 24/7. He deserves alot of the money for all the work he has put into graal, aswell Unixmad.

So, I dont think this would ever happen. The other thing is that Graal is Propertie of Cyber Joureur, you really think they would pay you? haha...

But now on the other hand, making a playerworld is not easy, takes lots of time and hard work. So, in a way your right Konidias about how we should get paid, but it will never happen.

[Falcor]

This is getting so retarded, the only reason you want pw owner to get payed is becasue you are makking a pw, bottom line. It ain't gunna happend, peroid. If you dont wanna work unless oyu get payed, then dont work at all. no one is forcing you. tahts the joy of olenteer work. you dont have to do it.

[konidias]

Originally posted by Falcor
This is getting so retarded, the only reason you want pw owner to get payed is becasue you are makking a pw, bottom line. It ain't gunna happend, peroid. If you dont wanna work unless oyu get payed, then dont work at all. no one is forcing you. tahts the joy of olenteer work. you dont have to do it.

Um.. no.. but it would have been nice.

Because once the playerworld goes up, it becomes property of cyberjourer.. which I feel is stupid because it's like all my hard work just gets handed to them in an instant. They can take ideas, take graphics, take npcs, whatever they want, and it's all my work for MY server.. Just like they have taken from other pw's for 2k2..

If they are going to take from us it would be nice if we got money for them to profit from us and use our work.

I wasn't "forcing" stefan to pay me or whatever.. it was a suggestion *******.. please stop making assumptions, and learn how to spell while you are at it.. I have now lost all my respect that I had for you.. and I did respect you at one point, now you're just an idiot.