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Old 01-04-2002, 05:21 PM
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Re: What has Graal become?

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Posting this for the FOURTH time.. without anything to do with 2k2 staff or any other reason I can see it would be deleted because of unreleased 2k2 information

Graal is falling apart more and more each day. This is purely my opinion, and I'm nothing I'm saying is FACT or anything.. but please keep in mind what I say, as I'm sure some of you will agree with me.

Back in the days before P2P, playing on Graal was fun. The occasional hacker killing everyone was the only bad part. Besides that, guilds actually had a meaning, instead of just having a tag at the end of your name, you would actually be part of the guild, maybe have a guild area on the map, etc. Sparring was great, now it's nothing.. I used to do nothing but spar back before P2P, and I enjoyed every match. It was fun when you could just go to a spar arena somewhere, and line up with others to fight one on one in unofficial matches. Nowadays no one cares to spar, they just care about money, and if there is a spar event, it's for money, and it's always ruined by people shooting fireballs, etc.

Graal2001 was okay at first, but it has seemed to get worse every day, even though so many new things are added. The changing of bomy pets from their original version actually made them worse then before. Right about when golf came out, the minigame revolution began and we ended up with go-kart racing and football, which barely anyone plays anymore. (whatever happened to racing teams and football teams?) The events team has gotten terrible, they say the reason they hold cs and survivor is because that's what everyone asks for.. well no crap, if they haven't played the other events in so long, they wouldn't remember how fun they were.

The staff got worse, and so did the players, the forums turned into a battlefield (and still are) and are no longer enjoyable to me anymore. When hats were released in limited quantities, that started the money era. Now nearly everyone are greedy backstabbers, and no one cares to do anything but make more money and get more items. When objects and gralat became so desirable, "corruption" started to occur more.. most of it just being accusations of others being corrupt.. sometimes players would call other players corrupt just because the other player had a lot of money.

Now I get on each day, and find nothing at all to do. Everyone is too busy making money and scamming/finding ways to cheat to actually RP or just sit around and talk. Mass messages are a joke, they are nothing but filth, arguements, advertisements, and annoying "support my guild" messages. Toalls are just another form of communicating with others for the sheer point of arguing and fighting, and telling everyone else how much of a loser someone else is.

Nearly all of P2P players do nothing but argue and hate others now. No matter what you post on the forums someone tells you to shut up and die. It's ridiculous and definitely not what I thought my money was paying for.

Not to mention G2k2.. oh boy.. I'm sure a lot of you will say I'm wrong here, but I envisioned something a lot different for the next generation of Graal.. it's seriously disappointing in every single aspect. Stefan doesn't seem to really know what he is doing in the game development area. The graphics in 2k2 are good, I admit, but they do not fit well at all with the characters or terrain. Why doesn't Stefan improve Graal as a whole? He might have made the new 3d terrain stuff, but when the hell is he going to make a better way of layering? Why can't he make tiles that lay over the player sprite? It would decrease the need to use npc images, and the environment would be so much more realistic (walking behind trees and buildings without needing npcs for everything)

Then there is server scripting.. I find it nearly impossible to work with, there are so many little things that would improve the system overall. Why not have variables that save to the npc on the level, and can be read clientside AND serverside? Instead of being able to do simple things like having lights come on outside of a house when you turn lights on inside, it takes using workarounds and npc save variables which are troublesome and not documented well.

He still hasn't improved the playerlist by adding new features such as making your own user groups like the buddies group. I admit I like the new features on the level editor, they help a lot, but the new version of graal has a lot of editor glitches and I get headaches when I load my level and it turns into nothing but the left grass tile. Some of these things just really aggravate me as to why Stefan doesn't see these things and fix them. Even the player profile could be made to look so much better with more options and things, and when will Stefan ever make it so we can put php code or something on a webpage and have our stats show up there?

Then there is the level generator.. wouldn't a level generator program be SO MUCH BETTER then drawing your level in a paint program? Just take a look a this example. Why not have it so players can pick a tile (such as tree, dirt, water, grass) and when they use their mouse on the level, it draws the map out dynamically? It would make the worlds much more realistic and have much more detail with less glitches and people wouldn't think level generated worlds are bad anymore.

There are so many things that could be improved it just boggles my mind.. the more I research and learn about game development, the more things I see about Graal I don't like. Whenever I get skilled enough with programming I will be able to put my visions of a good game into light. In my opinion Stefan has bad taste in graphics and style. You think with all the money they pull in, they could hire a good team of people to work for them doing art and levels and things, and stop hiring kids to work for free, making not so great stuff yet Stefan adds it anyway because he doesn't feel like paying people to do better?

Why doesn't Stefan expand the tileset? Why must we use the same tiles for everything? What if we don't want to "addtiledef"? I want new houses, new trees, new bushes and things.. without having to replace other tiles that people also like. If Cyberjouer is such a professional game company, why doesn't Stefan hire more programmers for the actual game? (not npc scripters I mean delphi/c++ programmers)

{edited out because I can't voice my opinion on 2k2 staff}

I just wish Cyberjouer would become better as a company, and actually care about it's customers needs instead of making what THEY think is best.

I think I will be taking a time off from Graal as a player and as staff unless it shapes up and becomes the game that it should be, which is fun and exciting, not the same thing and boring, with jackass players and corrupt staff.

I know some of you could care less about my opinions and that is fine, who am I to talk about game development? I just want to make a career out of it, but I guess since I didn't make Graal, then I'm not as good as Stefan. I feel so limited working for Graal, in level making, in graphics, in scripting.. it's all limiting.

Oh and for the people that reply to this without reading it all.. please continue going to school, as your mind obviously can't handle reading a page of text.
1.Graal isn't fallin appart gaal2001 is.

2.PK > funner , and you can still have guild houses on other servers , graal2001 sucks.

3.I hate 2001 , beacuse of all the gredy and evil people..

4.This is only happening to 2001 , and I like the evil graal comminication center ..

5.If your in a kingdom you have RP very often atleast zormites have .

6.That's why I hate 2001 but sometimes it's fun to argue ..

7.I love 2002 and I think that all staff should work on it to inprove it even more and maybe make newworld and 2002 same server , beacuse evrything I dreamed about newworld would be is now 2002 , thought not the plot..And I don't see anything bad with 2002 but that they took some things from newworld , and the gfx fit evrything good (I think , and maybe some other people to)
but it would be better if stefan would put the gfx in the tilseset or something so it would be less buggyer and less lag , notice I'm no programmer guy.

8.I suck at scripting but I think it could be improved

9.I think the playerlist is good , and have nothing against it.

10.I think the level generator program should be put into the levelmaker , and I don't really understand how this new level maker works , kinnda weird thought that when you press f4 you can still walk around with your graal guy :-|

11.I think there are some things that could be improved thought if you turn it into graal3d it won't be graal ...

12.Here I 100% agree.

13.I think they are doing a great job

14.Good bye! and if you feel so limited go work on another online game or something !

15.Fact konidias doesn't play on other playerworlds anymore .

16. graal celebrity , ROFLMAO

[edit] I guess the flaming starts now [/edit]
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Old 01-04-2002, 06:09 PM
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I WON'T SAY IT!!!!!




UGH! I HAVE TO SAY IT!!!!!!!!!!





GO JUMP IN A FRIKIN LAKE!!!






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Old 01-04-2002, 06:11 PM
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i won't say it....

I WON'T SAY IT!!!!!

UGH! I HAVE TO SAY IT!!!!!!!!!!

GO JUMP IN A FRIKIN LAKE!!!

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I hope you didn't say that to me ..
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Old 01-04-2002, 06:49 PM
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Old 01-04-2002, 07:32 PM
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one word. konidas

OH YEAH THIRD KONIDAS JOKE TONIGHT!

I'm just bitter because konidas just came along and did a bad tileset and all of a sudden gets FTP and RC and i made a lot of things for graal 2001 and gave stefan tons of ideas and never got anything.
it's totally unfair
i don't know if konidas sucked up a lot of something to get that stuff but =\
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Old 01-04-2002, 08:51 PM
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This is the biggest topic I have ever seen! I read up to page 5... then I gave up... anyhow, several updates for Graal would be great... Most of updates that were mentiond by Konidias are reasonable so I say go for it
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Old 01-04-2002, 09:26 PM
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Do you guys know how hard it is to be an admin? Especially in Contego's case. He has to set up everything, make sure everyone is doing there job. It's not as simple as it looks, and when people get mad over masses,PMs,e-mails not get answered. Not every e-mail is going to be answered not every pm is going to be answered, and masses are needed but you guys freak out about them. I don't blame Contego for quiting, the only reason why he got online for anymore was to get on graal and work. With everyone thinking he was a corrupt power hungry admin is just plainly wrong. Everyday I talk to Contego and he always helps me out. I was just told Konidias thinks he is Account Manager or GM? Well I am the Account Administrator and he's not apart of my team, and the accounts team is just fine. There is no problems(Icehawk I have no idea why you said that) as of right now, I got my 2 assistants(Kyle,Agelaos) and they are great staff. I am tired goodnight lol.
It is hard and stressful to be an admin and I will not try to deny that.

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Old 01-04-2002, 09:37 PM
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Old 01-04-2002, 09:58 PM
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Old 01-05-2002, 12:27 AM
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Old 01-05-2002, 12:32 AM
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This is the biggest topic I have ever seen! I read up to page 5... then I gave up... anyhow, several updates for Graal would be great... Most of updates that were mentiond by Konidias are reasonable so I say go for it
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Old 01-05-2002, 12:42 AM
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I don't agree with you at all Konidias... I think Graal is improving and getting another way of game!
Stefan is completly right of what he's doing (not trying to get something from him) and in my opinion its the best for Graal...
Each Game has a STYLE... you cannot try to make Graal like another multiplayer Game...
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Old 01-05-2002, 12:43 AM
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Old 01-05-2002, 03:50 AM
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