Graal PC Roll Call

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Crow

You better not do that crap. Embrace everything. I regularly play on PC, Switch, PS4 and 3DS.

What is there to play on PS4? Grand Theft Auto V is getting pretty stale even with these 4K 60fps graphics running on my 2 Nvidia GTX 980Ti gpus in SLI, so I imagine it's even worse with 30fps 720p graphics on console. I love PC hardware but have you looked at the Steam shop anytime in the past year? It's nothing but anime dating sims now. PC has PS4 and Xbox beat but only barely, I mean there are very few must-play PC games made in this decade and when there were, they never sold well. The "PC master-race" people are hilarious to me.

Switch on the other hand is addictive. It will give you that childlike sense of amazement you got from your first console. Get with these times my dudes.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

What is there to play on PS4? Grand Theft Auto V is getting pretty stale even with these 4K 60fps graphics running on my 2 Nvidia GTX 980Ti gpus in SLI, so I imagine it's even worse with 30fps 720p graphics on console. I love PC hardware but have you looked at the Steam shop anytime in the past year? It's nothing but anime dating sims now. PC has PS4 and Xbox beat but only barely, I mean there are very few must-play PC games made in this decade and when there were, they never sold well. The "PC master-race" people are hilarious to me.

Switch on the other hand is addictive. It will give you that childlike sense of amazement you got from your first console. Get with these times my dudes.

Bloodborne, Horizon: Zero Dawn, The Last of Us, Ratchet & Clank, Bloodborne, the upcoming God of War.. just to name a few. Also, let's not forget about Bloodborne.

[maximus_asinus]

You guys are forgetting about the OG handheld with touch screen, the game.com released by Tiger Electronics in 1997. It heavily influenced the design of the DS with it's multi button input, touch screen with stylus support, two cartridge slots, and online functionality.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

You guys are forgetting about the OG handheld with touch screen, the game.com released by Tiger Electronics in 1997. It heavily influenced the design of the DS with it's multi button input, touch screen with stylus support, two cartridge slots, and online functionality.

I actually played Duke Nukem on game.com back when it came out in the 90's.

[Ryyan]

I'm here for the roll call, I check in once in a while to see what's new overall. I'm usually on GK (as little as I am on), so if you see me online give me a shout.

Sorry for infringing on your Nintendo debate. Please continue since the Argonaut thing is news to me, and I find it quite interesting.

[kia345]

man why does breath of the wild try so hard to be a flaccid version of so many different games

it's like combination of a shallow(er) skyrim, a shallow souls, a shallow ass creed, a shallow shadow of the colossus

and it completely forgot how to be a zelda

nintendo should stick to copying their own products

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by kia345

man why does breath of the wild try so hard to be a flaccid version of so many different games

it's like combination of a shallow(er) skyrim, a shallow souls, a shallow ass creed, a shallow shadow of the colossus

and it completely forgot how to be a zelda

nintendo should stick to copying their own products

This is what I mean. You guys will use any mental gymnastic to spin it so Nintendo looks bad. If they did everything you ask, you would complain that they didn't do all the other stuff they normally would have done.

Trust me, anyone who has actually played BOTW is gonna think you are a lunatic. I have multiple legitimate criticisms of the game but the ones you made here are NeoGAF-tier. The game is 100% for sure on a completely separate level of quality than anything else out there. Comparing BOTW to Skyrim is an insult considering that Skyrim isn't even truly open-world compared to BOTW. Skyrim has a linear order in which you have to do quests to complete the game. So does Grand Theft Auto. BOTW is actually a lot more open ended than those games.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

This is what I mean. You guys will use any mental gymnastic to spin it so Nintendo looks bad. If they did everything you ask, you would complain that they didn't do all the other stuff they normally would have done.

Trust me, anyone who has actually played BOTW is gonna think you are a lunatic. I have multiple legitimate criticisms of the game but the ones you made here are NeoGAF-tier. The game is 100% for sure on a completely separate level of quality than anything else out there. Comparing BOTW to Skyrim is an insult considering that Skyrim isn't even truly open-world compared to BOTW. Skyrim has a linear order in which you have to do quests to complete the game. So does Grand Theft Auto. BOTW is actually a lot more open ended than those games.

What makes you even think we intend to make Nintendo look bad? You just seem super mad that we don't worship Nintendo like you do. I love them to hell and back, but the thing is that the DS did not influence the iPhone in any way. Also BotW is a mediocre game.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Crow

the DS did not influence the iPhone in any way. Also BotW is a mediocre game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

I'm so happy for you. Figuring out what you're suffering from must've been really tough.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Trust me, anyone who has actually played BOTW is gonna think you are a lunatic. I have multiple legitimate criticisms of the game but the ones you made here are NeoGAF-tier. The game is 100% for sure on a completely separate level of quality than anything else out there. Comparing BOTW to Skyrim is an insult considering that Skyrim isn't even truly open-world compared to BOTW. Skyrim has a linear order in which you have to do quests to complete the game. So does Grand Theft Auto. BOTW is actually a lot more open ended than those games.

Cool but it still bites from all of them in totally shallow ways.

More "exploration" which is really just in open world with like 75% of the locations being pointless, just like Skyrim.

CLIMB TOWER TO MAP (also jump off)

An even more simplified version of Souls dodge/counter combat - with, what, five, maybe six kinds of enemy?

BUT IT'S #OPENWORLD

A very shallow and tacked on food crafting gimmick

A very shallow and tacked on weapon durability and upgrade gimmick

BOTW is a fine game but it's overrated as **** and a lot of its flaws/shallow bits were things that the revolutionary and always pioneering Nintendo borrowed from other properties.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by kia345

Cool but it still bites from all of them in totally shallow ways.

More "exploration" which is really just in open world with like 75% of the locations being pointless, just like Skyrim.

CLIMB TOWER TO MAP (also jump off)

An even more simplified version of Souls dodge/counter combat - with, what, five, maybe six kinds of enemy?

BUT IT'S #OPENWORLD

A very shallow and tacked on food crafting gimmick

A very shallow and tacked on weapon durability and upgrade gimmick

BOTW is a fine game but it's overrated as **** and a lot of its flaws/shallow bits were things that the revolutionary and always pioneering Nintendo borrowed from other properties.

Pretty much this, but let me expand on that: BotW didn't challenge me the way I expected from a Zelda game. Even before the release, the whole shrine concept was criticized, but back then I still thought that Nintendo could pull it off by making lots of different and challenging shrines. But they didn't. I don't know how many exactly, but way too many shrines are "combat trial" shrines or "hey cool you found me have this chest" shrines, and that was just such a huge letdown. The majority of all the other shrines are also piss easy or super short or both. I wanted so much more and got nothing. The Divine Beasts were interesting, but executed poorly in my opinion. Most of the fights also weren't challenging at all.

And then, what pissed me off super hard (heh): the "hard" mode DLC. I expected tougher AI, bosses with more phases. My naive, childlike mind hoped for 120 entirely new shrines. But, well.. you know how that turned out.

But even with all that, I thoroughly enjoyed BotW. I just wish I could've enjoyed it even more.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Crow

BotW didn't challenge me the way I expected from a Zelda game. Even before the release, the whole shrine concept was criticized, but back then I still thought that Nintendo could pull it off by making lots of different and challenging shrines. But they didn't. I don't know how many exactly, but way too many shrines are "combat trial" shrines or "hey cool you found me have this chest" shrines, and that was just such a huge letdown. The majority of all the other shrines are also piss easy or super short or both

I agree with this criticism and find it valid, but most critics of this game actually argued that it was too hard. I agree with you but this is a common criticism I have of the entirety of modern gaming and I don't think BOTW has as much of an issue with difficulty balancing as most games. It would be unfair to single this game out for being too easy when I loved GTAV and it was ten times easier. I would have to generalize that I would like to see the difficulty increase in all of AAA gaming.

There are very few games I can think of that provide an adequate level of challenge that I like. Sonic 2 really nails it for me. Most Mario and Zelda games are too easy, that has sort of been a staple of both series.

The criticisms that kia made are the exact criticisms that people make when they have never played the game before, however. "Tacked on and shallow food crafting" -- freudian slip that he either did not play the game or went in specifically with a negative expectation. That is known as confirmation bias. If his favorite Graal server had a food crafting system as good as BOTW, he would be praising it.

[FBI]

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