Good gang admin

Eclipse · #1 02-08-2015, 01:31 PM

hes done such a good job, era has 4 gangs and 2 are active!!!!!! ( and by active they get 2k points a week)

thats 50%!!!!!!!

GOOOD JOB

Supaman771 · #2 02-08-2015, 05:41 PM

(Gang Admin),(Business Admin)

There doesn't seem to be a gang admin at this time.
lel

Godzilla · #3 02-08-2015, 09:43 PM

I threw my name forward for the position with some quick-fix alternatives until more stable content for Gangs could be developed, seemed like they were interested but after a week of waiting around and watching the inevitable of Gangs being roasted to the bone with inactivity, I decided it was time to move on.

**MysticalDragon** · #4 02-08-2015, 09:47 PM

I thought you quit?

Cubical · #5 02-09-2015, 02:12 PM

he would quit life before quitting graal.

Eclipse · #6 02-09-2015, 06:42 PM

make me gang admin bro i got them ideas

SharkeySprinkles · #7 02-17-2015, 12:34 PM

Personally I wonder, is a gang admin even necessary? It's just a title. They really have zero power (unless they can develop, which is what made Swift a decent Gang Admin, he could do all the work on his own.) What I plan to do is fix the current system, re-tweak the bases, figure out a way to give actual raiding bonuses and incentives, open up the gang system to a few gangs and bring back the party system, and then and only then will I revisit the topic of a gang admin.

Also, we're not trying to re-invent the wheel here as people seem to think. All we're trying to do is find a common balance of every idea that works together, and makes people want to play.

Honestly, the entire purpose of a gang admin is to handle questions/complaints/help new leaders, all which can be done via our PR's or current admins.

Fiberwyre_P2P · #8 02-17-2015, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SharkeySprinkles

and bring back the party system

:O oh my

Frankie · #9 02-17-2015, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SharkeySprinkles

Personally I wonder, is a gang admin even necessary? It's just a title. They really have zero power (unless they can develop, which is what made Swift a decent Gang Admin, he could do all the work on his own.) What I plan to do is fix the current system, re-tweak the bases, figure out a way to give actual raiding bonuses and incentives, open up the gang system to a few gangs and bring back the party system, and then and only then will I revisit the topic of a gang admin.

Also, we're not trying to re-invent the wheel here as people seem to think. All we're trying to do is find a common balance of every idea that works together, and makes people want to play.

Honestly, the entire purpose of a gang admin is to handle questions/complaints/help new leaders, all which can be done via our PR's or current admins.

I was always a firm believer that "admin" positions are nothing more than an excuse to give someone power. majority of the time, those people aren't even the ones doing any of the real work. if the gang admin wants a new gang system or feature, who's coding it? certainly not him.

it's honestly a responsibility that a server manager should have no problems handling.

if the server needs a specific person to hold everyone's hand and entice them to participate in gangs, I think that reveals a bigger problem that needs to be resolved that a gang admin can't fix.

cbk1994 · #10 02-17-2015, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

it's honestly a responsibility that a server manager should have no problems handling.

if the server needs a specific person to hold everyone's hand and entice them to participate in gangs, I think that reveals a bigger problem that needs to be resolved that a gang admin can't fix.

I don't disagree, but there is a benefit to having someone who can host gang events with some regularity and reasonable level of quality. It doesn't really matter who that person is, but Gangs Admin or ETA was usually a good choice.

Tim_Rocks · #11 02-17-2015, 08:01 PM

Chris Vimes for gang admin!

Kohola_KinG · #12 02-17-2015, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim_Rocks

Chris Vimes for gang admin!

Give Chris PWA chief, we only need one. Give him manager, give him everything. This kid is harry potter of the graal world.

BlueMelon · #13 02-17-2015, 09:12 PM

no don't take away chris' life

Reddy548 · #14 02-17-2015, 09:31 PM

Instead of hiring gang admin , stop screwing things like gang bases

Tim_Rocks · #15 02-17-2015, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reddy548

Instead of hiring gang admin , stop screwing things like gang bases

They weren't being raided before anyway. Times have changed, the players mind set and objectives has changed with it. It's not about the money, it's about sending a message. Players wanted fast kills, and more money. So we gave it to them and it worked great for a couple months. One problem swift always came to me about was the lack of appreciation for all the hard work he did. Players were constantly harassing him to host this, host that. And he would, then they'd complain that they didn't win therefore it's his fault for hosting it x/y/z way. Sorry slight rant.

Eclipse · #16 02-18-2015, 10:46 PM

Call them "useless staff with no power"for all i give a ****, just having an active person to promote raiding and host mini events / reliable host for gang event can make all the difference

shrimps · #17 02-18-2015, 10:59 PM

I agree @ Eclipse. The players need to be babied into raiding.

Zongui · #18 02-19-2015, 12:22 AM

era needs that wil soul type of player that will make everyone raid.

**MysticalDragon** · #19 02-19-2015, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

I was always a firm believer that "admin" positions are nothing more than an excuse to give someone power. majority of the time, those people aren't even the ones doing any of the real work. if the gang admin wants a new gang system or feature, who's coding it? certainly not him.

it's honestly a responsibility that a server manager should have no problems handling.

if the server needs a specific person to hold everyone's hand and entice them to participate in gangs, I think that reveals a bigger problem that needs to be resolved that a gang admin can't fix.

These days are over. Servers don't need multiple administrations, nevermind prestige staff members that step down and maintain there rights. At most servers only need one admin and possible a head of every department. Once they step down, there rights should be adjusted accordingly. If they resign, they should be removed from rc entirely.

Tim_Rocks · #20 02-19-2015, 05:27 PM

I'm not sure where it was mentioned prior, but I did do a poll in the past and the players wanted gmap bases over the old style bases. Thought I'd put that out there.

shrimps · #21 02-19-2015, 05:36 PM

Rigged poll.

Eclipse · #22 02-19-2015, 07:30 PM

bring old gang bases back, but still keep a npc at unstick for the "raid" level if raiding does get to active for the bases

Frankie · #23 02-20-2015, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

I don't disagree, but there is a benefit to having someone who can host gang events with some regularity and reasonable level of quality. It doesn't really matter who that person is, but Gangs Admin or ETA was usually a good choice.

eta is probably the only admin position that I don't see as a big deal because managing events team staff is a petty job that the server manager shouldn't have to deal with, and they don't require rc. I wouldn't mind seeing an eta in charge of gang events. I don't think gangs require enough content to be created to the point where you would need a gang admin with dev capabilities, so there's no point in having a gang admin with rc if all they're good for is hosting events.

Kohola_KinG · #24 02-20-2015, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

eta is probably the only admin position that I don't see as a big deal because managing events team staff is a petty job that the server manager shouldn't have to deal with, and they don't require rc. I wouldn't mind seeing an eta in charge of gang events. I don't think gangs require enough content to be created to the point where you would need a gang admin with dev capabilities, so there's no point in having a gang admin with rc if all they're good for is hosting events.

Gang Admins are only good for hosting"< This line comes up a lot recently. The only reason Gang Admins are only good for hosting is because they aren't given any other rights to do anything else. Teach them to develop, help them work on projects etc give them a reason to use their rights. It's a team effort.

ToreG · #25 02-20-2015, 01:13 PM

I'll go ahead and set the record straight -- the ETA, PRA, and Housing Admin positions have all been absorbed into one singularity; the PSA. The PSA is in charge of ALL non-development related issues and branches. As far as I know, there will be a separate entity for the Gang Admin. The PSA can choose an Asst. PSA to help him/her with managing these branches. Apart from the PSA and Asst. PSA, they can pick someone to supervise each of the branches if they so-desire. The supervisor can act as a mini-Admin of the given branch. They can report all issues to the PSA and Asst. PSA, should they arise. The supervisors will be given little to no extra rights. As far as the Events Team branch is concerned, the PSA and Asst. PSA will act as the ETA and AETA, and I will be the supervisor. I will manage the Events Team to a lesser degree than the PSA / Asst. PSA and may be in charge of hirings in the future. At this current moment in time, I will be in charge of Gang Events come Sunday.

I hope this clears some things up.

Kohola_KinG · #26 02-20-2015, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ToreG

I'll go ahead and set the record straight -- the ETA, PRA, and Housing Admin positions have all been absorbed into one singularity; the PSA. The PSA is in charge of ALL non-development related issues and branches. As far as I know, there will be a separate entity for the Gang Admin. The PSA can choose an Asst. PSA to help him/her with managing these branches. Apart from the PSA and Asst. PSA, they can pick someone to supervise each of the branches of they so-desire. As far as the Events Team branch is concerned, the PSA and Asst. PSA will act as the ETA and AETA, and I will be the supervisor. At this current moment in time, I will be in charge of Gang Events come Sunday.

I hope this clears some things up.

Which makes zero sense. PSA was always a useless tag. Just leave the ETA to ETA. Leave Gang Admin to gang admin.

Who's going to manage gangs? Nobody in the current staff team have a clue about gangs. Also the hosting of these gang events have been severely poor the last couple of months.

ToreG · #27 02-20-2015, 01:28 PM

I didn't make things clear to debate anything, I did it to make clear what has happened and what is going to happen, with no wiggle room. The Gang Admin tag will remain, to my knowledge. As far as hosting gang events goes, I will be training some ETs on how to properly host them, so that hopefully in the future, gang events will be more often hosted. Hopefully, one day gang events will occur way more often than they currently do.

Eclipse · #28 02-22-2015, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ToreG

I'll go ahead and set the record straight -- the ETA, PRA, and Housing Admin positions have all been absorbed into one singularity; the PSA. The PSA is in charge of ALL non-development related issues and branches. As far as I know, there will be a separate entity for the Gang Admin. The PSA can choose an Asst. PSA to help him/her with managing these branches. Apart from the PSA and Asst. PSA, they can pick someone to supervise each of the branches if they so-desire. The supervisor can act as a mini-Admin of the given branch. They can report all issues to the PSA and Asst. PSA, should they arise. The supervisors will be given little to no extra rights. As far as the Events Team branch is concerned, the PSA and Asst. PSA will act as the ETA and AETA, and I will be the supervisor. I will manage the Events Team to a lesser degree than the PSA / Asst. PSA and may be in charge of hirings in the future. At this current moment in time, I will be in charge of Gang Events come Sunday.

I hope this clears some things up.

who the hell are you

SharkeySprinkles · #29 02-22-2015, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ToreG

I'll go ahead and set the record straight -- the ETA, PRA, and Housing Admin positions have all been absorbed into one singularity; the PSA. The PSA is in charge of ALL non-development related issues and branches. As far as I know, there will be a separate entity for the Gang Admin. The PSA can choose an Asst. PSA to help him/her with managing these branches. Apart from the PSA and Asst. PSA, they can pick someone to supervise each of the branches if they so-desire. The supervisor can act as a mini-Admin of the given branch. They can report all issues to the PSA and Asst. PSA, should they arise. The supervisors will be given little to no extra rights. As far as the Events Team branch is concerned, the PSA and Asst. PSA will act as the ETA and AETA, and I will be the supervisor. I will manage the Events Team to a lesser degree than the PSA / Asst. PSA and may be in charge of hirings in the future. At this current moment in time, I will be in charge of Gang Events come Sunday.

I hope this clears some things up.

And I'll go ahead and say that this is just a test. I personally think the PSA tag was a joke and was all for when we removed it. Also, I believe an ETA is needed, as PSA/PRA/GPA or what ever you wish to call him has bigger problems to handle then making sure ETs are on tag and not idling.

I also believe ETA doesn't need RC, and I also believe a Gang Admin isn't really required, however we've hired one to help get the raiding going.

We'll see how this goes, and I'll probably be adjusting it accordingly in the next few days/weeks to fit our needs.

ChainGang_DX · #30 02-23-2015, 05:39 AM

Still don't think its fair for a Gang Admin to not host gang event's (lol) , might as well give them the "Creative Director" position. I'd say they need to put in the actual work now that the Script guy's are doing all the work! Either way let's see how this goes.. 2nd gang admin in less than 2 month's, eh what could possibly go wrong!.

ToreG · #31 02-23-2015, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SharkeySprinkles

And I'll go ahead and say that this is just a test. I personally think the PSA tag was a joke and was all for when we removed it. Also, I believe an ETA is needed, as PSA/PRA/GPA or what ever you wish to call him has bigger problems to handle then making sure ETs are on tag and not idling.

I can see how you are saying an ETA tag is needed, and that's where I come in. The PSA sees over all changes or modifications I do to the Events Team and makes sure they are reasonable and justifiable. For example, I fired an ET yesterday, and hired 3 new ones. If the PSA thought that any of them were uncalled for, they could undo it, easy peasy. Our PSA also has chosen several people to join the Events Team, as they also have a say in it, of course. All the PSA adds is really another rank before Manager, when it comes to managing the Events Team, anyways.

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Originally Posted by SharkeySprinkles

I also believe ETA doesn't need RC, and I also believe a Gang Admin isn't really required, however we've hired one to help get the raiding going.

I can see where you're coming from as far as RC & ETA are concerned. The ETA, or supervisor, or PSA, whatever you want to call it doesn't need it, given that they don't develop. However, both PSAs and I are also active PRs, so that's why we have RC, as you very well know. As far as Gang Admin is concerned, that could be managed by one individual very easily, like the PSA. However, I can see how it's a luxury to have a Gang Admin to take some of the stress off the PSA.

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Originally Posted by SharkeySprinkles

We'll see how this goes, and I'll probably be adjusting it accordingly in the next few days/weeks to fit our needs.

To be honest, it's really already adjusting itself automatically. Of course, you have complete control over it anyways.

Kohola_KinG · #32 02-23-2015, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ToreG

I can see how you are saying an ETA tag is needed, and that's where I come in. The PSA sees over all changes or modifications I do to the Events Team and makes sure they are reasonable and justifiable. For example, I fired an ET yesterday, and hired 3 new ones. If the PSA thought that any of them were uncalled for, they could undo it, easy peasy. Our PSA also has chosen several people to join the Events Team, as they also have a say in it, of course. All the PSA adds is really another rank before Manager, when it comes to managing the Events Team, anyways.

I can see where you're coming from as far as RC & ETA are concerned. The ETA, or supervisor, or PSA, whatever you want to call it doesn't need it, given that they don't develop. However, both PSAs and I are also active PRs, so that's why we have RC, as you very well know. As far as Gang Admin is concerned, that could be managed by one individual very easily, like the PSA. However, I can see how it's a luxury to have a Gang Admin to take some of the stress off the PSA.

To be honest, it's really already adjusting itself automatically. Of course, you have complete control over it anyways.

PSA/PRA whatever you guys are calling it now shouldn't have to deal with ET's. Nobody really cares about ET... ET isn't a staff position. Also quit with the million commas you're not using them correctly.

ToreG · #33 02-23-2015, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

PSA/PRA whatever you guys are calling it now shouldn't have to deal with ET's. Nobody really cares about ET... ET isn't a staff position. Also quit with the million commas you're not using them correctly.

First you complain about gangs. Then you complain about not getting gang admin. Then it's the mall stand. You really think I care what you have to say about my grammar? Does Graal look like an English mastery course? Go bug somebody else, seriously.

Arakonda · #34 02-23-2015, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ToreG

First you complain about gangs. Then you complain about not getting gang admin. Then it's the mall stand. You really think I care what you have to say about my grammar? Does Graal look like an English mastery course? Go bug somebody else, seriously.

Who are you though, seriously..

Godzilla · #35 02-23-2015, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Arakonda

Who are you though, seriously..

I literally haven't stopped laughing since this kid posted

ooger · #36 02-23-2015, 07:43 PM

He's a newer player that has shown a lot of interest in the progression of Era as a server. He was a very active ET for a while and rose to PR. Every experience I've had with him has been professional and he's been very helpful (and when he doesn't know how to help, he asks for help from someone else instead of just ignoring pms).

I don't know how you guys can have these ideas of grandeur and widespread success of the server when every time a new guy comes around and tries to help everyone says 'who r u nob fk off this is oldby land'

He's doing more than half of the people writing essays on here and crying when their ideas are 'stolen', 'improperly applied', or when nobody wants to hire you because you're an *******.

JEM · #37 02-23-2015, 07:58 PM

Why is everyone hatin' on this dude

FOR. REAL.

shrimps · #38 02-23-2015, 08:29 PM

Keep, up, the, good, work, Tore! Although, be, it, in, vein, since, you'll, just, be, trash, talked, and, ridiculed.

Eclipse · #39 02-23-2015, 09:03 PM

must, be , from, ,iera

SharkeySprinkles · #40 02-23-2015, 11:01 PM

Listen bro, I'm just saying, that I won't just make changes, but that we have like, silly admins, and silly positions, and that like, it all needs to be adjusted, as we see fit, I'm not going, to just change, things, because I want to, but because it'll make the flow, easier.

,,,,,