era HP

[geneticfrog]

does era really need over 100hp?

longer boring battles and lots of healing makes era turn into halo1 style combat minus head shots.

would be nice to have faster matches everyone same HP and less halo massive waste of ammo shoot a guy 60 times still not dead action.

[Zongui]

i'm in favor of getting rid of kills to get hp levels. i am biased tho because my hp level is only 16 or whatever and having to pk to get more hp isn't really motivation for me to pk. i just pk because i get bored and feel like pking once in a while. i liked it better when you got hp levels for doing quests.

[Chorchizcool]

everyone that JUST comes back from being banned or a new server hates the /hp system

i personally think its a good idea, because it does not take long to get advance it quickly

[geneticfrog]

more thinking about newbies joining the game who dont really stand a chance.

[Chorchizcool]

its very easy to get kills nowadays and you dont have to be good.

1.1 k/dr and im at 139, i suck at this game.

you just have to devote the time.

[Eclipse]

don't remove it, but a buff to the first +10-20 HP would be nice for the newer people

[shrimps]

One shot one kill. Do it, go..

[xAndrewx]

I saw guns dealing 20 damage... that's 5 hits?

[Godzilla]

$1,000,000 per +10 HP forever

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

I saw guns dealing 20 damage... that's 5 hits?

At base health. At 21 health levels you have 40% more hits, which is a pretty big difference. Add armor and/or a super elixir and thats quite a lot of extra hits, and a huge advantage that established players have over new/casual players.

Vitality potions (+10 hp for a week) do bridge the gap a little bit, but under the current system the first health level and the 21st are the most important because most guns are balanced around 20 damage. So the vitality potion is really only beneficial at health level 0 or after health level 11.

Neo Rifle does 40 damage.
I believe that the timeout in between receiving damage is still 0.3 seconds (or 0.35 seconds). So if you were really unlucky you could die in 0.9 seconds (or 1.05 seconds) to three people with Neo Rifles. Which is pretty quick.

[ooger]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

I believe that the timeout in between receiving damage is still 0.3 seconds (or 0.35 seconds). So if you were really unlucky you could die in 0.9 seconds (or 1.05 seconds) to three people with Neo Rifles. Which is pretty quick.

This is actually pretty unpredictable and inconsistent depending on the projectiles you're getting hit by, but in your case you're right. For example, you can take a 45dmg RPG shell and immediately get hit by a photon rifle shot or even a regular bullet and take the damage simultaneously.

[bloodykiller]

i'm in favour of giving me back my hp level 51+ all the extra kills i got from there

[Supaman771]

HP is capped at 40 and there are different gun damage ranges to choose from.
121 might have an advantage against an mp5... but is still far away from being safe against a BAR for example.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by ooger

This is actually pretty unpredictable and inconsistent depending on the projectiles you're getting hit by, but in your case you're right. For example, you can take a 45dmg RPG shell and immediately get hit by a photon rifle shot or even a regular bullet and take the damage simultaneously.

Is this because the timeout resets if you move and the RPG shell explosion forces you to move? Or because the RPG shell is handled by a different function? In which case almost any projectile with a different gani could stack damage?

Originally Posted by Supaman771

HP is capped at 40 and there are different gun damage ranges to choose from.
121 might have an advantage against an mp5... but is still far away from being safe against a BAR for example.

Yeah but the BAR has more freeze and a slower firing rate and smaller clip to account for its extra damage. It's still balanced around the 20 dmg guns. A BAR isn't going to necessarily kill you in less time, just slightly fewer hits at certain HP levels.

Are there recorded statistics of which guns people are using the most on a week to week basis? Kills per gun each week would be interesting to see and you could do some pretty neato stuff with that data.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Are there recorded statistics of which guns people are using the most on a week to week basis? Kills per gun each week would be interesting to see and you could do some pretty neato stuff with that data.

Kills by gun by player are recorded, though its overall from a set date.
In theory these could be added together quite easily and that composite number could be reset weekly.

[Kohola_KinG]

HP levels are fine, earn them like everybody else did. I also suggest you get good and then you won't have a problem.

[geneticfrog]

just saying making a game really hard to begin with then really easy = newbies who get slaughtered instantly blame the games design and content as having a flaw.

exmaple: why would a person play a game thats frustrating and constantly killing them for dollars with million dollar guns+ 50% more HP + light wieght potions + gang members and friends teaming on newbs.

Clearly that person is not going to blame himself with sharks just itching to jump and kill you for 30 bucks and a kill to raise their HP and heal themselves if they get shot + armor added.
they will just say; "this game sucks why am i wasting my time on here! lets play wow or lol or COD where i can acutally have fun and not get slaughtered for HP"

the above im 99% sure is a huge factor in losing newbies AKA the future olbies and future generations of era.

all the servesr that have never made it like UN and npulse had their newbies cut off via observer mode and hard game play especially at the start no guidance at all or help.

[geneticfrog]

at least offer a newbie protection that lasts like a week or so or till they choose to remove it and they cannot attack players till its off.

thats how they do it on online multi player games like evony anyway ........ then you get raped by pay to play players after that week lose a whole week of work and quit <.<

cuz i released the game is based on catering to the rich paying players, the regulars while non paying are nothing but fresh meat for resources.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

lets play wow or lol or COD where i can acutally have fun and not get slaughtered for HP"[/B]

All of these games have a grinding/learning curve, you don't just jump into any of them and instantly have all the perks. I don't understand your examples.

COD you have to raise your rank to unlock all the weapons, and you have to learn all the different guns ranges/damages/maps/modes/etc.
League can take years to get level 30, unlock all the heroes, and buy all the runes; not to mention the learning curve for the metagame/all the heroes abilities/etc. (I've been playing for 4 seasons now and don't have everything unlocked).
WoW takes even longer to establish yourself and learn all the abilities/items/maps/etc. You have to become known to a point to get into a top guild and everything, not to mention the entire game is just one huge grind regardless of what you're doing.

On Era all you need to do is grind for a weapon (which has been made fairly easy/quick to do) and kill other people. There really isn't any learning curve, all the weapons are neatly listed with stats. You might have to figure out how many shots it takes to kill a door or something I suppose.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

All of these games have a grinding/learning curve, you don't just jump into any of them and instantly have all the perks. I don't understand your examples.

COD you have to raise your rank to unlock all the weapons, and you have to learn all the different guns ranges/damages/maps/modes/etc.
League can take years to get level 30, unlock all the heroes, and buy all the runes; not to mention the learning curve for the metagame/all the heroes abilities/etc. (I've been playing for 4 seasons now and don't have everything unlocked).
WoW takes even longer to establish yourself and learn all the abilities/items/maps/etc. You have to become known to a point to get into a top guild and everything, not to mention the entire game is just one huge grind regardless of what you're doing.

On Era all you need to do is grind for a weapon (which has been made fairly easy/quick to do) and kill other people. There really isn't any learning curve, all the weapons are neatly listed with stats. You might have to figure out how many shots it takes to kill a door or something I suppose.

In all of those other games though they have matchmaking systems that are designed so that you're generally competing with people that are determined to be around the same level you are. There is still a skill differential in level 20 WOW battlegrounds, but they've even gone so far as to separate the twinks from the normally geared players to level out the playing field even more.

I don't think the HP system on Era is a huge deal. I have 106 HP and I feel like I can still be competitive, but I have decent guns and I have more skill than most new players. For somebody completely new to the game, I can see how all of those things combined stacked against them could be daunting though.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

In all of those other games though they have matchmaking systems that are designed so that you're generally competing with people that are determined to be around the same level you are.

I don't think the HP system on Era is a huge deal. I have 106 HP and I feel like I can still be competitive

We don't have the luxury of thousands of players to match people of equal skill together for improved individual game-play experience.

The HP levels raise exponentially and are capped off, so the new guy should be able to catch up at some point.

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

We don't have the luxury of thousands of players to match people of equal skill together for improved individual game-play experience.

The HP levels raise exponentially and are capped off, so the new guy should be able to catch up at some point.

You can't map players back on an MMORPG like Graal regardless of the player count... lol

[geneticfrog]

i dont acutally play WOW or LOL yes i have tried them for a day but not a fan of wasting that much time. I can use any oher game as an example any game that doesnt kill you as soon as you walk out of OSL first 2 mins of gameplay.

the point was there are tons of way more fun and entertaining games out there and i can name ton that arent wow or LOL, whats makes a newbie stay and get slaughtered on era for money and kills. the fact is you guys are in some way competing with other games to keep player counts and fun.

whats stopping that newbie from finding a more satisfying game where they dont get killed after stepping out of OSL.

i rememer UN use to be that way too and ide PK people so much it pissed people off and they blamed the game."they would literaly say this server or this game sucks!!!" then logg off just cuz they didnt enjoy getting slaughtered first minute of game.

we all know this is also going on era, some people just dont want to put the their precious time in just to get lamed constantly.

[geneticfrog]

if anything HP level should be effected by the amount of NPC baddies you kill in missions or the amount of missions you do.

newbies are a precious commodity and fuels the future of graal yet we slaughter them like fish without mercy for HP/kills/ pocket change.

ive done this myself on UN when i was younger just piss off newbies to the point of they swtich servers or never come back to graal all so i can simply get more kills to show off.

[geneticfrog]

fact is no shits are given about the future of this game (the newbies)

[Godzilla]

In the end, you will die on every game that you can die on. It's a learn and repeat process. Just because you walk out of your spawn point on CoD or CS;GO and get killed instantly does that make you want to quit? No, you go a different way and you survive and you shoot back and when you get them low but not kill them what do you USUALLY do? "OHH MAN HAHAHAHAA THAT WAS SO CLOSE" and try again

I had the same reaction when first playing Graal YEARS and YEARS ago.

[geneticfrog]

they all have tutorials and single player i always play single player first on hard finish the game on the hardest difficulty in a day before i go onto multi player.

also i would agree with the "oh so close"if era was 1 hit kill on head shot and 2-3 bullets per kill body as it lasts seconds.

however; era is more like you spend 200$+ in bullets slow moving missing bullets, finally get the dudes HP down to close to 40 HP then they eat some food and heal other wise if you chase you run into bullets. if its not that then someones jumping in last second to get the last bullet in to steal the kills after 1-10 min battles.

the above is just my experience on era lately not very fun unless you have a gang and bad as gun. (yes i know all guns kill not the point cuz yes anyone can stand still)

honestly i am happy i got unbanned but right now everyone has high powered guns and close to 150HP + armor and team on people and heal with food in middle of battles.

so really i havent been playing cuz its not entertaining me and not worth it for 1 kill and couple bucks. its just not worth the effort in my opinion right now im not enjoying the pvp.

i have easier time killing people on halo1 lol xd and well same for newbies especially.

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

HP levels are fine, earn them like everybody else did. I also suggest you get good and then you won't have a problem.

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[geneticfrog]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

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thread is to help newbies maybe read before you go by another non readers post xd.


im not asking for more HP i dont want any HP thanks though.

if anything reduce HP im just stating how boring the battles are getting 150HP + armor + healing + friends vs 1 person.

then i just go back in osl cuz its just not worth the time or effort xd not having fun i can only imagine how harder it is for a newbie. to ALL of graal = cant even move right or shoot right yet cuz fingers aren't use to it.

ill usually end up playing an instrument till im bored and log off now theres no reason to frustrate yourself to get 1 kill on era XD

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

however; era is more like you spend 200$+ in bullets slow moving missing bullets, finally get the dudes HP down to close to 40 HP then they eat some food and heal other wise if you chase you run into bullets. if its not that then someones jumping in last second to get the last bullet in to steal the kills after 1-10 min battles.

the above is just my experience on era lately not very fun unless you have a gang and bad as gun. (yes i know all guns kill not the point cuz yes anyone can stand still)

honestly i am happy i got unbanned but right now everyone has high powered guns and close to 150HP + armor and team on people and heal with food in middle of battles.

That's ~3000 bullets (give or take depending on the ammo type). You should be able to get a kill within 3 reloads on any weapon (24-300 ammo depending on your gun). If it is a gang kill you will earn more than $200 from that one kill. If it is a newb it should cost even less bullets; and would still give you $50-100.

Food costs them money. And it costs way more than the price per bullet (especially with healing halved in PK). Making someone use $100 worth of food after only firing $5 worth of bullets is a small victory in itself. Even more-so with armor (It is a temporary advantage.. but only takes 4 shots [roughly 30 cents] to break $250 armor).

You can join a gang at all times; since EP exists.
And you're supposed to outfit yourself with a weapon prior to trying to PK.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

That's ~3000 bullets (give or take depending on the ammo type). You should be able to get a kill within 3 reloads on any weapon (24-300 ammo depending on your gun). If it is a gang kill you will earn more than $200 from that one kill. If it is a newb it should cost even less bullets; and would still give you $50-100.

Food costs them money. And it costs way more than the price per bullet (especially with healing halved in PK). Making someone use $100 worth of food after only firing $5 worth of bullets is a small victory in itself. Even more-so with armor (It is a temporary advantage.. but only takes 4 shots [roughly 30 cents] to break $250 armor).

You can join a gang at all times; since EP exists.
And you're supposed to outfit yourself with a weapon prior to trying to PK.

I have to agree with most of these points.
With the changes to food, the bleed+slow at low health, and the increased incentives ($$) to PK, I've found that it's much easier to get kills now than it has been in the past and people are less likely to run.

People will still strafe backwards and shoot (maybe there should be a speed penalty for firing and running backwards?) especially on the GMAP, but if you're PKing in a gang base kills come very easily.

Kill stealing is just a thing that's going to happen, especially with all the money you get for a kill. I've tried to think about ways to get around this, but they're all too complex to be worthwhile.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

thread is to help newbies maybe read before you go by another non readers post xd.


im not asking for more HP i dont want any HP thanks though.

if anything reduce HP im just stating how boring the battles are getting 150HP + armor + healing + friends vs 1 person.

then i just go back in osl cuz its just not worth the time or effort xd not having fun i can only imagine how harder it is for a newbie. to ALL of graal = cant even move right or shoot right yet cuz fingers aren't use to it.

ill usually end up playing an instrument till im bored and log off now theres no reason to frustrate yourself to get 1 kill on era XD

Basically what he's saying is hes not asking for more Hp or that he doesn't want it just simply for those that do have it for it to be taken away as it effects him. As he cannot earn it himself and therefor it needs removed as us who earned it are harder to kill. Which is nonsense, i raid or fight anyone on this game it takes 3-4 people by the time i die in raids even with half HP.

Just get good.

[geneticfrog]

its come to my attention that no one actually takes kohola's posts serious as they are fail attempts at trolling people 90% of the time or compliments to himself.

but seriously you need some fresh air!

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

its come to my attention that no one actually takes kohola's posts serious as they are fail attempts at trolling people 90% of the time or compliments to himself.

but seriously you need some fresh air!

Compare our post times and work out who needs fresh air more brah.

[geneticfrog]

ok i have what 8 posts or something on era maybe 12 at most XD

i love kids!!! have a nice day!

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

ok i have what 8 posts or something on era maybe 12 at most XD

i love kids!!! have a nice day!

You're the one constantly posting but it's a crime the moment i post. Maybe we need a new rule that only genetic can post on the forums as well since he wants everything else his way.

You seem sensitive bro, u must be pussay irl .

[geneticfrog]

<3

[Eclipse]

this dude is a canadian tk

[geneticfrog]

dude i beat up polar ears with my hockey stick and bbrush the nice grizzly bears with a rake.

i also ride a moose to work

[WillaWonka]

<3 u koho