Dictatorship Or Democracy?

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

lol @ democracy

A guy like you wouldn't have the slightest idea what it even means.

Been reading through some comments as i'm limited on time at the moment.

I guess some good points has came from this thread and things can be taken from it. As a player you try and speak up and help the community out and you get back-lashed from idiots like this, trying to better the game experience.

Absolutely clueless.

I think we can all agree that some changes can be made. Like some of the ones previously discussed. I even got told by an admin that "Zao is a facist, he doesn't and wont have a co-manager, because he doesn't want a threat to his position, he is german afterall" Those were the words. I disagree because like i said Zaos a friend and listens when you put across your points but obviously there's some tension building up in there somewhere.

This thread wasn't and isn't to bash anyone. I believe era's future lies within ALL of our hands, not just staff. We all play a huge part. This is why we need to get along.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

This thread wasn't and isn't to bash anyone. I believe era's future lies within ALL of our hands, not just staff. We all play a huge part. This is why we need to get along.

Of course it's in everyone's hands, but you can't expect everyone to be aware enough or care enough to do it, so it's people like yourself that have to voice yourself, but only the management of the game (as in staff) are the ones who actually have the power to make that change.

Sorry, but your own thread makes it blatantly aware just by it's title that more of the issue lies within who runs it then the players that inhabit it.
I understand the thread isn't meant to bash, attack or mud-sling towards anyone or any particular group, I merely input my opinion just because you asked for the question.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Of course it's in everyone's hands, but you can't expect everyone to be aware enough or care enough to do it, so it's people like yourself that have to voice yourself, but only the management of the game (as in staff) are the ones who actually have the power to make that change.

Exactly why i want to give the players more influence & pressure on staff to get the changes they want.

Welcome to = Democracy.

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

Exactly why i want to give the players more influence & pressure on staff to get the changes they want.

Welcome to = Democracy.

more like demoCRAZY

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

more like demoCRAZY

If it's crazy then why do you live in a Democracy country? Don't give me the republic nonsense. It's still a democracy.

You're contradicting yourself now.


However, back on target. Sorry to hear Zao has resigned as manager. Good guy but life goes on. Amsel is a good guy who listens.. Hopefully he does a good job if he gets it permanently.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

However, back on target. Sorry to hear Zao has resigned as manager.

Lets start the voting.

I vote for Blue, since he's the only one who isn't totally ignorant/has any alternate agenda as far as player relations go.

Since he will inevitably say no a 4th time, I'll write-in myself as VP.

Melon-Cat 2014

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

Lets start the voting.

I vote for Blue, since he's the only one who isn't totally ignorant/has any alternate agenda as far as player relations go.

Since he will inevitably say no a 4th time, I'll write-in myself as VP.

Melon-Cat 2014

Blues a good guy. However, he has already rejected many times i believe? We need somebody who wants to do it and be counted for.

Blue is a good development admin when he's motivated but that's about it. He'd be a good manager if he was determined but sadly he isn't.

I am not God and can't decide who should be manager but if i was to vote and give my best of wishes to. Would be Amsel. He wants to do it & is willing to listen to people.

He also has a good plan. Let him have a shot i say.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

Exactly why i want to give the players more influence & pressure on staff to get the changes they want.

Welcome to = Democracy.

I know what Democracy is, but you realize most of the players don't care to actively voice themselves when put on the line other than to complain about a negative issue. Pressuring the staff doesn't mean they'll do the job better, it just means they'll be more pressured. Staff have to learn how to communicate better with players and construct a better social structure in which a form such as Democracy can actually hold its ground in the game's design, which takes a lot of planning, time and experimentation for Era in its current state, because Democracy is about talking about both the positive and negative on-goings within the system it's there for to properly handle it the way as many of the active participants can be happy with.

[BigMonster]

I don't have enough time to show all the mistakes in here, so I picked 4

Originally Posted by Supaman771

He used to be better than me at sparring, this statement is therefore true.

However I did win this Ironman and I have positive gang stats.

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

This thread wasn't and isn't to bash anyone. I believe era's future lies within ALL of our hands, not just staff. We all play a huge part. This is why we need to get along.

All that I ever done and pretty much all other developers is too WORK like real work just without the payment part. I did alot of things even when I had barely time or no interest in doing them, just for the players.

Originally Posted by Rave_J

If you guys want change on era then everybody just quit and go play another server until they want to listen to you guys.

This will just lead to less development because the only motivation to develop is to make players happy, but if nobody plays then nobody will do anything.

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

I even got told by an admin that "Zao is a facist, he doesn't and wont have a co-manager, because he doesn't want a threat to his position, he is german afterall" Those were the words.

This is either sarcasm or pure racism? However since the topic is about dictatorship I will still answer.
I didn't have a Co-Manager because I had 2 Server Admins already, which is pretty much the same as Co-Manager.
Was or is Era a dictatorship? I was able to do anything at anytime without fearing consequences BUT I always discussed topics with others before doing them. Thats the point.
Every (major) decision was discussed and NOT just a random thought from me.
HighCouncil: Ice, Blu, Alf, Amsel, Name (Atleast 3 were asked for every big topic).
Additional consultants: Seth and exceptional PKers for gang related stuff and Loga for player related stuff.
-> Era was definitly no dictatorship in the last 9months.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by BigMonster

I don't have enough time to show all the mistakes in here, so I picked 4


However I did win this Ironman and I have positive gang stats.


All that I ever done and pretty much all other developers is too WORK like real work just without the payment part. I did alot of things even when I had barely time or no interest in doing them, just for the players.


This will just lead to less development because the only motivation to develop is to make players happy, but if nobody plays then nobody will do anything.


This is either sarcasm or pure racism? However since the topic is about dictatorship I will still answer.
I didn't have a Co-Manager because I had 2 Server Admins already, which is pretty much the same as Co-Manager.
Was or is Era a dictatorship? I was able to do anything at anytime without fearing consequences BUT I always discussed topics with others before doing them. Thats the point.
Every (major) decision was discussed and NOT just a random thought from me.
HighCouncil: Ice, Blu, Alf, Amsel, Name (Atleast 3 were asked for every big topic).
Additional consultants: Seth and exceptional PKers for gang related stuff and Loga for player related stuff.
-> Era was definitly no dictatorship in the last 9months.

Like i said, it didn't come from me. It came from one of your admins. Was was only repeating what he told me.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by BigMonster

However I did win this Ironman and I have positive gang stats.

-> Era was definitly no dictatorship in the last 9months.

Ironman has never meant anything. It just shows you're better at selected events than the players currently online. Anyone can win any of them under the right conditions (like me and gravity race, should there be no one else online).

Hell, Nick won it twice in a row by grabbing a lucky block and not having to spar against Corey one time or the other.

Anyone with a gun, or access to p4's should have positive gang stats. You still lost the betspar 3-0.
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Time for my rant:

Era's never been a dictatorship since the Manager never even has all the power. Now don't get me started on the PWA... (I'm totally joking guys, we fam).

But really, the position has been more of a babysittership in recent memory, the same general team has just held it for almost 4 years now since we routed the Chris Vimes regime (high5 Zeus). And no Manager themselves has gone in with the eagerness to build their own team, or make the big calls and mix things up. It's mostly just been a rotating door of monotony with some freelance spice of the Coders that have been around the entire time doing solo projects.
Ex;
-Gang system? Alfonso with assistance of Rogue & Wil... Vulcan hadn't even logged in for 2 months.
-New Bases/Raiding/Everything assigned to above? Wil, Blonkt, & I dev servered all that **** under their nose, I forget who gave us access.
-New Gmap? Mesh & Rogue... Tim was doing idk... we were locked away on a dev server.
-Southridge? Rogue, Steven_Hess, a few other level/dev artists doing their own little corner... the punchline is MD was sitting in his office USDing.
-Quests? Fewyn/Klayton & Catmater did 'em with Blue and probably Tim... MD still in the office, I was busy finding the logs that got him fired or I might have been helping my bro Fewyn.
-Betflipping? Fidel & I invented it, Bluemelon coded it... Zach was making youtube videos with his guitar.
-Achievement System? Sage solo'd it, I stepped up to help him fill it out, no one else could be bothered that's why it's useless today... Fidel was idk skyping me about how the Grizz are gonna win it all. Steph Curry.
-Entirely New/Old Business System? Moon got the backups and I spent literally 30 straight hours compiling information for every single gun/melee/bomb 2x over (there were a lot more guns then...) and compounding it for probably 4-8 materials per gun, with their own 6? separate properties. I don't even remember the 8 hours doing the shops themselves... but nobody ever saw this cause Zach got mad at Blue one night or something and everything Moon had ever touched got deleted off the server and Blue quit for a weekend. Sorry guys.
-Inventory/Mall/Tutorial/Everything else Tim has done on his own including stepping up to try out my Gang Draft concept... where da managers?
-Client Filebrower/Daily Rewards(You're welcome GK)/Among the millions of gadgets the rocking Azul Melon has gifted Era on his own time... normally resulted from a good spamming from yours truly.
-Gun Skins/Mucho Developmentos from my favorite Mexican whenever he's offered tacobell http://imgur.com/ECUfQUJ. (Yes that was about 4 monitors ago)

God, I could go for hours.
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Basically what I'm trying to get at, and I'm sure you can all see the trending theme here, is the recent Managers (I'm avoiding the word never) rarely had anything to do with the product that is the Era you all enjoy today based on the most recent updates. So.. I don't get why this thread matters?

@PWA
A new approach should be taken with this position rather than just phoning the next babysitter when the previous one calls out sick. Get someone who will bring in new teams, new ideas, and actually make something out of the server; rather than banking on the last 50~ average playercount to stay with this new babysitter... cause you're already down to half in just 2 years of this tomfoolery.

Idk, maybe I'm just too volatile or something.
Cat out-

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

Ironman has never meant anything. It just shows you're better at selected events than the players currently online. Anyone can win any of them under the right conditions (like me and gravity race, should there be no one else online).

Hell, Nick won it twice in a row by grabbing a lucky block and not having to spar against Corey one time or the other.

Anyone with a gun, or access to p4's should have positive gang stats. You still lost the betspar 3-0.
-----

Time for my rant:

Era's never been a dictatorship since the Manager never even has all the power. Now don't get me started on the PWA... (I'm totally joking guys, we fam).

But really, the position has been more of a babysittership in recent memory, the same general team has just held it for almost 4 years now since we routed the Chris Vimes regime (high5 Zeus). And no Manager themselves has gone in with the eagerness to build their own team, or make the big calls and mix things up. It's mostly just been a rotating door of monotony with some freelance spice of the Coders that have been around the entire time doing solo projects.
Ex;
-Gang system? Alfonso with assistance of Rogue & Wil... Vulcan hadn't even logged in for 2 months.
-New Bases/Raiding/Everything assigned to above? Wil, Blonkt, & I dev servered all that **** under their nose, I forget who gave us access.
-New Gmap? Mesh & Rogue... Tim was doing idk... we were locked away on a dev server.
-Southridge? Rogue, Steven_Hess, a few other level/dev artists doing their own little corner... the punchline is MD was sitting in his office USDing.
-Quests? Fewyn/Klayton & Catmater did 'em with Blue and probably Tim... MD still in the office, I was busy finding the logs that got him fired or I might have been helping my bro Fewyn.
-Betflipping? Fidel & I invented it, Bluemelon coded it... Zach was making youtube videos with his guitar.
-Achievement System? Sage solo'd it, I stepped up to help him fill it out, no one else could be bothered that's why it's useless today... Fidel was idk skyping me about how the Grizz are gonna win it all. Steph Curry.
-Entirely New/Old Business System? Moon got the backups and I spent literally 30 straight hours compiling information for every single gun/melee/bomb 2x over (there were a lot more guns then...) and compounding it for probably 4-8 materials per gun, with their own 6? separate properties. I don't even remember the 8 hours doing the shops themselves... but nobody ever saw this cause Zach got mad at Blue one night or something and everything Moon had ever touched got deleted off the server and Blue quit for a weekend. Sorry guys.
-Inventory/Mall/Tutorial/Everything else Tim has done on his own including stepping up to try out my Gang Draft concept... where da managers?
-Client Filebrower/Daily Rewards(You're welcome GK)/Among the millions of gadgets the rocking Azul Melon has gifted Era on his own time... normally resulted from a good spamming from yours truly.
-Gun Skins/Mucho Developmentos from my favorite Mexican whenever he's offered tacobell http://imgur.com/ECUfQUJ. (Yes that was about 4 monitors ago)

God, I could go for hours.
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Basically what I'm trying to get at, and I'm sure you can all see the trending theme here, is the recent Managers (I'm avoiding the word never) rarely had anything to do with the product that is the Era you all enjoy today based on the most recent updates. So.. I don't get why this thread matters?

@PWA
A new approach should be taken with this position rather than just phoning the next babysitter when the previous one calls out sick. Get someone who will bring in new teams, new ideas, and actually make something out of the server; rather than banking on the last 50~ average playercount to stay with this new babysitter... cause you're already down to half in just 2 years of this tomfoolery.

Idk, maybe I'm just too volatile or something.
Cat out-

Betflipping. I had actually made a ticket about it and offered you to betflip your pbp (which i won) You can replace fidels name with mine. Just sayin'